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The 480 should be pretty fast, and to those waiting, it will be worht the wait, IMO. The lead the 5870 has over the 285 will be the lead the 480 should have over the 5870. The 480 should be grasping at the heels of the 5970.
If it comes out near 5870 performance, there won't be much change in current HD5000 prices.
When the GTX200s came out, they gamed well and had F@H performance.
I doubt that will change with the GF100.
Snowbeast the "Nvidia is Doomed" argument is silly. But nowhere near as silly as quoting steam surveys (A KNOWN base of Nvidia users at large) for a counter.
The actual research figures on market share show that ATI to Nvidia is closer to 40 to 60, though I do not know if they've released any figures since the 5800 series came out. 6 months is seriously a long time
I keep reading all these threads and posts about nVidia getting cannibalized, beaten, taken down this round, being pushed out of business,etc., ETC. E FREAKIN NOUGH ALREADY!! Every thread against nVidia's Fermi and how they are LOSING THEIR ASSES!! REALLY??? Cause from a business side, it would take ATI "Killing them" on every release for the next 2-3 years to pass Nvidia from what I can tell. HERE, Numbers don't lie:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1808/steamol.png
As a former fanATIc, every card from the first Radeon 64MB, 8500 64MB, 9800XTX, X800Pro, X850XT, and finally the X1950 something was always broke, either within drivers or hardware.(Radeon 9700 Revised silicon anyone? And I still am not convinced the 8500 wasn't broke hardware wise itself.) The point is if ATI didn't have these "problems" the market would be shifted that way. Fact are facts. People in general don't trust ATI still. And after the crap many of us went through with "HotFix" after "Hotfix" from the very first catalyst drivers, its evident this still holds true today.
Even with the 5800 series issue that caused a quick "hotfix" release. Was that in Hardware with a work around? Seems that problem spiked its head early on in Borderlands. (purple screens, random textures missing or flashing.)
Trust me, I want back on Big Reds side with Eyefinity badly. Specillay with nvidia requiring SLI for the same thing. But as someone who went with an 8800GTS 640MB after my X1950, and now an GTX260 216, my computers have been rock stable graphically without the headaches I have had before. And thats why the market is still in favor with Nvidia and why many are holding out and not jumping on to the 5800 series bandwagon.
So many will come on here and tell about not having problems, running perfectly for years, blah blah blah. If that were actually true, the market wouldn't be a 65% Nvidia and 29.95% in a gamers survey that is pretty damn accurate considering any gamer is on Steam.
Point is, leave the "Nvidia getting its ass kicked" mentality at the door. Its just not happening on reputation alone.
It's crazy to think that nvidia has been holding fermi this long. They're letting ATI just cannibalize the market...
You did notice he said "a gamer survey" right?Steam is accurate? How about this:
Q4 2009: http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...in-pc-graphics-quarter-to-quarter-also-beats/
Q3 2009: http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...arket-soars-over-21-says-jon-peddie-research/
Sure many other don't but there are many more that do, lol.Steam is only as accurate as the data they receive.
None of my systems are included and I'm sure many others don't submit their data.
You did notice he said "a gamer survey" right?
While your links may be more accurate for overall sales, they don't figure in for just gamers. I really don't think many people are gaming on a netbook ,lol.
Sure many other don't but there are many more that do, lol.
People always seem to discredit Steam when others show the stats, but I'll bet that game companies arent discrediting it. Maybe that's part of the problem, they see the Steam suvey and see that there is no need to push games when people are still running some old ass hardware, just a thought, lol.
Steam is only as accurate as the data they receive.
None of my systems are included and I'm sure many others don't submit their data.
Yes, but the guy you quoted before specifically said "gaming", not across all boards. I'm not discrediting ATI one bit, they build a great series of cards this round, but for gamers they are still a small segment of the market. Just because Steam only shows gamer stats , there is no reason to discredit them based off that market and that is what the other guy was trying to say.Steam doesn't show when the card is bought but they show what card is used. When a company release a good product, the perception of the market can be seen across all products. Mainstream market is where the money being made and if you ignore the Intel integrated poducts, you can see that AMD is gaining on nVidia across the boards.
lol. Wow, just wow.You can't discredit the accuracy of a statistical sampling of millions of gamers by saying "but i wasn't included". Unless someone can prove that there's selection bias in the profile of people who participate in the survey then it's probably one of the most accurate surveys in existence. Respondents can't lie for one thing.
lol. Wow, just wow.
I hope that's a "Wow, just wow...that was an excellently put and entirely correct statement" because he's exactly right.
Maybe the people declining the anonymous surveys are all ATI users.
But seriously, the Steam survey is measuring something other than the best tech of the latest product cycle. Its a view of the winner over the last few years worth of product cycles, for gamers. And its partly a popularity contest, lots of OEM boxes.
A survey of HardOCP readers may show something different, since we likely upgrade on a faster cycle than average gamers.
The steam survey shows the current install base. Furthermore by measuring the change from one quarter to another you can see what people are actually buying.
lol, no, not at all. The Steam survey is nothing more than a "gee whiz" report; to hold it to have any significance, never mind to make a point, just doesn't work at all. If you can't understand that, I suggest reading up on sampling in your favorite statistics text.I hope that's a "Wow, just wow...that was an excellently put and entirely correct statment" because he's exactly right.
Yeah its great for trends (somebody dig up last quarter results!), but its not showing the latest-greatest hardware. If ATI is going up a few %, its not going to be because they have the fastest high-end part, but because of cheaper low-end stuff. Mass market. If I buy a netbook and run Steam to play Fallout1, it chalks up a point for intel even if 95% of my gaming is on the nvidia-equipped desktop.
So its kind of silly to say either company will live or die by the high-end performance of its latest product cycle. Product adoption at the low and mid-range will really help the bottom line. And that btw is what ATI is really doing well now, putting a DX11 part at every price point.
My buddy and I each bought a 4870 512MB soon after release for ~$240. While I upgraded my monitor and therefore upgraded my graphics card since then, he still has his 4870 running at 820/1000 with no problems. The card reminds me of the 8800GTX in regards to longevity.I'm still waiting for the best bang for the buck in the $200 range. Until then I see no reason to move away from my 4870.
lol, no, not at all. The Steam survey is nothing more than a "gee whiz" report; to hold it to have any significance, never mind to make a point, just doesn't work at all. If you can't understand that, I suggest reading up on sampling in your favorite statistics text.
for some reason the games with ati and nvidia cards dont feel or move the same even when both are running the same fps, nvidia cards seem to feel smoother in games at same frame rate. I dont know what this could be.