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Venice rumors here please!

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Hmmm... The Venice cores PC Ice and OPP had to play with didn't respond to voltage and also didn't work with 4*512... It looks as if Im gonne hold off on my purchase a bit and work a bit more on my allready Very good Winnie.
 
Frallan said:
Hmmm... The Venice cores PC Ice and OPP had to play with didn't respond to voltage and also didn't work with 4*512... It looks as if Im gonne hold off on my purchase a bit and work a bit more on my allready Very good Winnie.
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Wow so rev. E memory controller still doesnt like 4x512? Garbage. I'm going to skip S939 for sure now.
 
robberbaron said:
Wow so rev. E memory controller still doesnt like 4x512? Garbage. I'm going to skip S939 for sure now.
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Well PC Ice didn't use 4 of the same sticks and I dont think he fooled around with it manually so if the BIOS didn't auto detect the lowest settings but took some settings that one stick didn't make... Who knows. But having read that I'll wait for sure until I know that it solves my issues.
 
nah, not really any point in doing so :p

every is counting in theirs heads anyway, even me, and i'm not getting one.
 
how much are they suppossed to cost, will they be more than the current winchesters? Also does anyone have any clue who will have them tomorrow...im really looking forward to the 3500+
 
they shouldnt cost any more than the winchesters... however, the etailers will make sure that doesnt happen. :(
 
i believe i've already stated that they'll be the same plus some price gouging.. at least 10 times in the last week ;)
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
i believe i've already stated that they'll be the same plus some price gouging.. at least 10 times in the last week ;)
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with that it would be 11, right? :) this thread is too big anway... i dunno who would wanna go through it all...
 
nah, all in different threads. though frallan needs to edit the price.. and hopefully tomorrow some links to vendors into the first post.
 
ahhh the suspense is killing me and i just found out i might have enough cash for the 3500+ instead of the 3200+
 
MaMMa said:
im gonna be staying up pretty late tonight
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i think the announcement will be during normal buisness hours and it dones't look like venice reviewrs are under nda.
 
i just need a cpu!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

that is the only thing holding me back right now, as i already have everything else except the case, but thats ok, ill just leave it bare laying around (safe spot).
 
Got a question:

If I don't OC, then preformance-wise is "Venice" pretty much the same as "Winchester"?
 
Why exactly is there so much hype about this core with slight changes that people would be so pumped up???
 
n64man120 said:
Why exactly is there so much hype about this core with slight changes that people would be so pumped up???
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it will probably overclock a lot better. The 1st ones for sale may not show that, but give it time...
 
jenneth said:
Got a question:

If I don't OC, then preformance-wise is "Venice" pretty much the same as "Winchester"?
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Not if whatever you do performance-wise uses SSE3, but is it worth the cost over the Winchester only time will tell.
 
Originally Posted by robberbaron
Wow so rev. E memory controller still doesnt like 4x512? Garbage. I'm going to skip S939 for sure now.
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Has this been confirmed yet? I hope not, 2x1024 DDR is much more expensive than 4x512 DDR.
 
jenneth said:
Has this been confirmed yet? I hope not, 2x1024 DDR is much more expensive than 4x512 DDR.
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AMD was suppost to break the 4GB barrier with the Athlon 64 and their still fighting to break their own 2GB barrier (4 DIMMs) lol.
 
haha, actually, if you have enough money, you can buy 4x1gb sticks and run it in a dual channel setup. yeah, you won't be able to run at 1T, and possibly have to drop to 166mhz, but you can do it :D
 
LrngToFly, thanks for the article.

The new Athlon 64 on Venice core also boast enhanced memory controller. Besides a slight performance improvement, Athlon 64 became more tolerant to various DIMM module configurations. Venice based CPUs have finally learned to work with four double-side memory modules supporting 400MHz.
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I guess it does support 4 DDR memory modules. Very nice.
 
indeed. though i was amused at the end when they compared it at 2.88ghz to the fx-55 at stock.. it's faster, but not significantly. again, the power of 1mb cache shines :D
 
Indeed, nice article.

I really liked that last graph on the last page that shows in brief the performance differences. In fact, I really really like that.

I'm too lazy to dig in the article (maybe it was the white backround, heavy on the eyes...) so I'll wait for TR's version (personal preference, not bashing xbit in any way).

now to wait until the shops have them.... :(
 
From xbit labs: "So, we have to conclude that SSE3 instructions (or at least their implementation in the new Athlon 64 processors) are of no practical use."

Wouldn't it be smarter to first figure out if SSE3 instructions are actually _used_ before rejecting them outhand? Maybe this software simply doesn't look for SSE3 in AMD processors?

It's not like it's unheard of...

Also, it's a weird thing to say because they've already shown in an earlier benchmark (patch superpi) that SSE3 _does_ make a difference.
 
eloj said:
From xbit labs: "So, we have to conclude that SSE3 instructions (or at least their implementation in the new Athlon 64 processors) are of no practical use."

Wouldn't it be smarter to first figure out if SSE3 instructions are actually _used_ before rejecting them outhand? Maybe this software simply doesn't look for SSE3 in AMD processors?

It's not like it's unheard of...

Also, it's a weird thing to say because they've already shown in an earlier benchmark (patch superpi) that SSE3 _does_ make a difference.
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how long did it take before mmx to become common?
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
nah, all in different threads. though frallan needs to edit the price.. and hopefully tomorrow some links to vendors into the first post.
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As soon as possible... I just need a couple of quotes... Pls ppl when U spot a Venice deal out there post it. The only on-line stores Ive found so far are the ones posted on the first page and of those two stores in the list one is a reputable company for overclockers in Scandinavia.
 
>how long did it take before mmx to become common?

I don't think I see the relevance to the question at hand?
 
word to that frallan. i just got the revE oc thread up. if anyone has any suggetions, PM me, i'll see what i can do ;)
 
Frallan said:
Well they missed out the important part of the SSE3 thing. SSE3 isn't going to be as important on the K8 as it is on the Intel solutions since the K8 allready have a better math part (FPs (?)) for dealing with these operations. However some improvments can be expected from the use of new instructions.
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In 64 bit the FPU and MMX unit is not available. So there it will probably matter more to have good SSE/SSE2/SSE3 performance.

Other than that AMD seems to have the same problem as Intel when going from Northwood to Prescott... The CPUs run hotter, yet they don't really offer more performance. Oh well, at least the Athlons could afford to run a little hotter. I just hope that they'll finally scale up the performance aswell. And it would be nice if Intel managed to get their CPUs scaling up again aswell...
 
Scali said:
In 64 bit the FPU and MMX unit is not available. So there it will probably matter more to have good SSE/SSE2/SSE3 performance.

Other than that AMD seems to have the same problem as Intel when going from Northwood to Prescott... The CPUs run hotter, yet they don't really offer more performance. Oh well, at least the Athlons could afford to run a little hotter. I just hope that they'll finally scale up the performance aswell. And it would be nice if Intel managed to get their CPUs scaling up again aswell...
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Woohaa... Are U saying that when running a 64-bited OS the FPU and MMX wont work. Well then obvoisly the SSE 1.2.3. will have more impact. Not that Im about to jump the 64 bit bandwagon yet. (I will when CS shows up better in 64 bit :D)
 
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