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Vega Rumors

razor1 said:
Volta's SM architecture seems to be a very big departure for their previous array's and anything else out there. There really is not enough information on them to draw reasonable explanations yet, from performance, organizational, data structuring or routing yet.

It's just like when everyone though Pascal wasn't capable of async compute, when nV first did their presentations on it, because it didn't have dedicated hardware to do it. Its just crazy that people would think GPU instruction sets are done through drivers.
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Yeah.
Nvidia has been researching better optimised comiler algorithms and Volta seems to have potentially some aspects of those presented papers; some of it comes back to Krashinsky (freaking smart and linked some of his stuff in the past on B3d).
IMO comes back to Temporal-SIMT work Nvidia has been doing since 2013, along with compiler-algo improvement.
Different R&D path to AMD.
Cheers
 
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CSI_PC said:
Yeah.
Nvidia has been researching better optimised comiler algorithms and Volta seems to have potentially some aspects of those presented papers; some of it comes back to Krashinsky (freaking smart and linked some of his stuff in the past on B3d).
IMO comes back to Temporal-SIMT work Nvidia has been doing since 2013, along with compiler-algo improvement.
Different R&D path to AMD.
Cheers
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Interestingly, what nV seemed to have done with Volta was talk to the developers and created an architecture that will suit them well enough into the future with flexibility while increasing perf/watt dramatically, until they release their white papers on Volta's architecture we would just be throwing darts up in the air and waiting for them to land lol. There is no way to even try to do a 1 to 1 comparison on GCN and Volta at this point, even when that paper comes out, I don't even think we can.
 
Just remember everything works great on paper, just ask any engineer. Both companies have had their share of ideas that worked and did not work, way to early to even speculate on Volta and we just recently finally got a decent enough of a glimpse to have a idea on Vega. Which is odd to even say since this is a Vega thread and not a Volta thread.
 
Gideon said:
Just remember everything works great on paper, just ask any engineer. Both companies have had their share of ideas that worked and did not work, way to early to even speculate on Volta and we just recently finally got a decent enough of a glimpse to have a idea on Vega. Which is odd to even say since this is a Vega thread and not a Volta thread.
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Of course better Volta information than in the Nvidia section while out of place in the AMD section. AMD just brings out the best in folks. Plus AMD can just get some so riled up that they cannot even help themselves from incessantly post in the wrong section :ROFLMAO:. Actually this thread is rather comical with discussions on something even so remote as Volta with even less information than Vega.
 
Gideon said:
Just remember everything works great on paper, just ask any engineer. Both companies have had their share of ideas that worked and did not work, way to early to even speculate on Volta and we just recently finally got a decent enough of a glimpse to have a idea on Vega. Which is odd to even say since this is a Vega thread and not a Volta thread.
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Actually, Nvidia know EXACTLY how their future GPUs will perform:



Not sure if AMD do the same, so maybe Vega will be more of a surprise...
 
spine said:
Actually, Nvidia know EXACTLY how their future GPUs will perform:



Not sure if AMD do the same, so maybe Vega will be more of a surprise...
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AMD does the same and that is why drivers are ready way before they get the first silicon.

And no Volta's release date has been set for much longer then Vega was on the map, Early (1st Q) 2018 has always been nV's scheduled release for Volta).

Vega is not forcing nV's hand.
 
I'd be more excited for the presentation if it came out 1 month ago when I was decideding whether or not to downgrade to 1440p for wait for Vega.

I didn't want to wait forever.
 
I got my slot open. If I don't here anything concrete about Vega then I will likely be selling my freesync monitor and going gsync and keeping my 1080ti. Otherwise it would be easy to just swap the card. We shall see. I will curse out raja for making me spend more money. Damn you! I do have my eyes on a curved 35 inch AOC Gsync for 899!

*everything I said above is pending Wife's approval! If denied I will wait longer for Vega. Hahaha.
 
NKD said:
I got my slot open. If I don't here anything concrete about Vega then I will likely be selling my freesync monitor and going gsync and keeping my 1080ti. Otherwise it would be easy to just swap the card. We shall see. I will curse out raja for making me spend more money. Damn you! I do have my eyes on a curved 35 inch AOC Gsync for 899!

*everything I said above is pending Wife's approval! If denied I will wait longer for Vega. Hahaha.
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Fair warning:
That AOC Gysync has some motion blur issues I've read -- that surprisingly aren't shared by the more expensive partners using that panel.

Post 37 for example:
https://hardforum.com/threads/acer-...same-as-hp-omen-x-35.1931564/#post-1043026972
 
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Best joke right here

On a serious note best joke I heard was about the screen tearing on the Prey demo. Threadripper for CPUs, Screenripper for GPU
 
It is getting embarrassing for AMD. They knew what people were expecting and they never even hinted that people were getting ahead of themselves. Feels like waiting for Godot.
 
Great news for Ryzen APU mobile, that looks like a winner. I'm not sure how confident I am about RX Vega. They needed 2 of them to run Prey a 4K (which can be done w/ one 1080 Ti), had V-Sync off, and didn't even show FPS. Pretty shady but I'm still going to bite.
 
Well, looks expectation for Vega should be extremely low. They just aren't focusing on consumer graphics anymore, they know they can't beat Nvidia. They don't have the budget, they'll get a little space in the data center, sell lower end GPUs and that's about it for now on. Even when they had great GPUs like the 4870 people didn't buy them. Nvidia has too much mind share, and people are fed up with intel. It's a shame RTG has fallen so far so fast. There's no way Vega is worth dick at this point, they won't give us any concrete information.
 
This kind of bugs me because I was hoping for something that would move the GPU pricing brackets around, who knows, still might - being told nothing means nothing. I'll be happy if threadripper has pricing impact in the many core space though.
 
Simplyfun said:
This kind of bugs me because I was hoping for something that would move the GPU pricing brackets around, who knows, still might - being told nothing means nothing. I'll be happy if threadripper has pricing impact in the many core space though.
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It will when it launches. However if they keep delaying like that they might have to launch in the sub $300 space...
 
Wait, what's so bad about this announcement apart from date? looks like they have parts to compete with the 1070 1080 and 1080ti
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Wait, what's so bad about this announcement apart from date? looks like they have parts to compete with the 1070 1080 and 1080ti
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They are saying August launch, so add 2 weeks of unexpected delays on top. You are probably looking September until you can get hands on a reference VEGA.

That announcement was enough for me to go get 1080ti next week. :) I really wanted to support AMD but i dont think i will be waiting any longer. I feel like there might be more people that feel the same.
 
I like the look of ThreadRipper. Man would I love one of those 16/32 Thread CPU's.

A bit disappointing in the barely 10 minutes of Vega talk, even then they didn't really say much.
 
Pasic said:
They are saying August launch, so add 2 weeks of unexpected delays on top. You are probably looking September until you can get hands on a reference VEGA.

That announcement was enough for me to go get 1080ti next week. :) I really wanted to support AMD but i dont think i will be waiting any longer. I feel like there might be more people that feel the same.
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Funny you should have gotten the 1080ti already. Buy what's available not what you don't know nothing about. She said Vega will launch end of July. Everyone wanted a date and now you have it. They said FE edition will launch end of June. I am pretty confident July launch is taking the HBM2 delay in to account. Otherwise it would have launched already since they have a working silicon in the FE edition. 2 scenarios HBM2 delay or AMD team is just horrible and can't get their shit together with drivers. But I think they are taking HBM2 ramp up in to consideration. They pretty much announced the date already. She specifically said it will be launched there. So I don't expect this thing to be too far out after July. Probably available mid July the latest but I expect hard launch from the way she said it. I actually think threadripper and Vega might hard launch together.
 
NKD said:
Funny you should have gotten the 1080ti already. Buy what's available not what you don't know nothing about. She said Vega will launch end of July. Everyone wanted a date and now you have it. They said FE edition will launch end of June. I am pretty confident July launch is taking the HBM2 delay in to account. Otherwise it would have launched already since they have a working silicon in the FE edition. 2 scenarios HBM2 delay or AMD team is just horrible and can't get their shit together with drivers. But I think they are taking HBM2 ramp up in to consideration. They pretty much announced the date already. She specifically said it will be launched there. So I don't expect this thing to be too far out after July. Probably available mid July the latest but I expect hard launch from the way she said it. I actually think threadripper and Vega might hard launch together.
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At very least i expected 1080ti prices to drop slightly. I used to be one of those that gets the best on release even though i didn't need it. It was more about bragging rights.
Thing is you pay premium because of demand, I've gotten wiser and wait a little. This also gives me much larger range of cards to pick from.

If VEGA did launch and it was anything like Ryzen i would have acted like child again and pre ordered a reference card! :D haha only because from i read supply might be an issue. =\
 
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