Turn that X3 720 into a X4 945 BE

Based on the thread content and discussion I think he meant an inexpensive processor with a free unlockable 4th core, not overclocked performance gains. ;)
 
moshpit said:
You mean beyond the typical Intel 50% overclock that AMD chips only rarely ever make it close to?
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Not sure what you're talking about, 50% overclock.
Core i7's are topping out around 4ghz, which isn't even 40%
Q6600's are topping around 3.6ghz, which isn't even 35%
Phenom II 920's are topping around 3.8ghz, which is about 25%
Phenom II 940's are topping around 4ghz, which is again 30%.

The current crop of Phenoms are great overclockers, PLUS, I don't know where you pulled that 'typical' 50% intel overclock from. Perhaps your arse?
 
moshpit said:
You mean beyond the typical Intel 50% overclock that AMD chips only rarely ever make it close to?
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the only chips to really get 50% or more were the intel Pentium Dual Core CPU's. bring the FSB of the e2140 from 200 to 400, and your frequency goes from 1.6ghz to 3.2ghz. thats a 100% overclock.
but if that was an e2180, youre increase was about 50%55 percent.

but again, this is ONLY because the stock clocks of these chips are so low. 1.6ghz is the slowest dual core you can buy from intel.

even the 45nm e5200 is clock at 2.53 ghz. it'll normally go to 3.5ghz. thats not even 50%.

and again, these are all dual cores. just like what the poster above said about the Q6600. not even 40%.
 
Drakan290 said:
Not sure what you're talking about, 50% overclock.
Core i7's are topping out around 4ghz, which isn't even 40%
Q6600's are topping around 3.6ghz, which isn't even 35%
Phenom II 920's are topping around 3.8ghz, which is about 25%
Phenom II 940's are topping around 4ghz, which is again 30%.

The current crop of Phenoms are great overclockers, PLUS, I don't know where you pulled that 'typical' 50% intel overclock from. Perhaps your arse?
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Q6600 2.4 - > 3.6 ghz is a 50% overclock, 2400 x 150% = 3600
Q9450 2.66 -> 4.0 is 50% overclock too 0.0
(if you take into account the 9550 and 9650 only hitting about 4Ghz it lowers the %)
PII 920 2.8 -> 3.8 = 35%
PII x3 720 2.8 -> 4.0 = 40%

the reason why intels cpus are showing higher overclocking is that Intel cpus start off at a lower clock =p if the phenom II 940 was sold @ 2.4ghz it would top off at 4ghz that would be over 50% but to compete AMD needs to have higher clockspeeds to make up for the ipc deficit
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Q6600 2.4 - > 3.6 ghz is a 50% overclock, 2400 x 150% = 3600
Q9450 2.66 -> 4.0 is 50% overclock too 0.0
(if you take into account the 9550 and 9650 only hitting about 4Ghz it lowers the %)
PII 920 2.8 -> 3.8 = 35%
PII x3 720 2.8 -> 4.0 = 40%

the reason why intels cpus are showing higher overclocking is that Intel cpus start off at a lower clock =p if the phenom II 940 was sold @ 2.4ghz it would top off at 4ghz that would be over 50% but to compete AMD needs to have higher clockspeeds to make up for the ipc deficit
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THIS!
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
the only chips to really get 50% or more were the intel Pentium Dual Core CPU's. bring the FSB of the e2140 from 200 to 400, and your frequency goes from 1.6ghz to 3.2ghz. thats a 100% overclock.
but if that was an e2180, youre increase was about 50%55 percent.

but again, this is ONLY because the stock clocks of these chips are so low. 1.6ghz is the slowest dual core you can buy from intel.

even the 45nm e5200 is clock at 2.53 ghz. it'll normally go to 3.5ghz. thats not even 50%.

and again, these are all dual cores. just like what the poster above said about the Q6600. not even 40%.
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I totally disagree. Q6600 G0 regularly hits 50% OC. Core i7 920 does as well. Every Q6600 G0 I've played with so far has made it to 3.6Ghz, some with ease, some with a little work, but every one made it there. 50% of 2.4Ghz is 1.2Ghz, and that's exactly the amount it takes to reach 3.6Ghz, 50% more.

And considering the very first i7 I bought does the same, I stand by my statement and with proof should you need it. 4Ghz on 920 is not uncommon at all (and in fact is WAY more common then AMD X3 that will allow 4th core enabled :p ) and is exactly 50% over stock (2.66Ghz being stock, 1.33Ghz is half of that and is the amount of speed over stock that reaches 4Ghz).

Your buying the wrong chips to reach 50% with. That's your failure, not Intel's. My point stands.
 
moshpit said:
I totally disagree. Q6600 G0 regularly hits 50% OC. Core i7 920 does as well. Every Q6600 G0 I've played with so far has made it to 3.6Ghz, some with ease, some with a little work, but every one made it there. 50% of 2.4Ghz is 1.2Ghz, and that's exactly the amount it takes to reach 3.6Ghz, 50% more.

And considering the very first i7 I bought does the same, I stand by my statement and with proof should you need it. 4Ghz on 920 is not uncommon at all (and in fact is WAY more common then AMD X3 that will allow 4th core enabled :p ) and is exactly 50% over stock (2.66Ghz being stock, 1.33Ghz is half of that and is the amount of speed over stock that reaches 4Ghz).

Your buying the wrong chips to reach 50% with. That's your failure, not Intel's. My point stands.
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not true, a lot of Q6600s can't make it to 3.6
the majority of them do, but a fair bit don't. and I'm talking about the lower VID G0 chips recently.
 
Isn't this a thread about unlocking CPU cores, not how much % an intel CPU can overclock?
 
Fine, fine, we're taking it to PM. For the record, both of our points were relevant to the thread, sorry if you don't like the direction it was going. The point was made that this core unlocking thing gave AMD some kind of advantage over Intel that they cannot match, and my points were that is simply not true. Sorry if that went over your heads... :/
 
Well i wanna buy one just to play around, Newegg ha the 2.6 Ghz and the 2.8 Ghz versions, which one and which mobo should i get?
 
Marcdaddy said:
Well i wanna buy one just to play around, Newegg ha the 2.6 Ghz and the 2.8 Ghz versions, which one and which mobo should i get?
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The 2.8Ghz one I'd say, but only because it is unlocked.

AmongTheChosenX said:
for anyone else who needs more info, on the OCN page, there is a post from a guy who did this with a few different 790fx motherboards.

he said this:
Tested & works on:

- ASRock AOD790GX/128M
- BIOSTAR TFORCE TA790GX 128M

Tested and doesn't work on:

- Any Asus mobo due to heavy BIOS customisation (personaly tested on ASUS M4A79T Deluxe, M3A78-T, M3A78 Pro, works on none of them, that's were my BIOS assumption comes from)

Would like to know about :

- MSI K9A2 Platinum
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Lucky me, I have an ASRock AOD790GX/128M due back to me from an RMA, so now I can get the 720, plus I just won about $3,000 at a casino, but of course can only spend a fraction on "toys". Thanx for that info!!!
 
Ah looks like newegg fix their ghetto picture to a more proper picture.
 
Drakan290 said:
Not sure what you're talking about, 50% overclock.
Core i7's are topping out around 4ghz, which isn't even 40%
Q6600's are topping around 3.6ghz, which isn't even 35%
Phenom II 920's are topping around 3.8ghz, which is about 25%
Phenom II 940's are topping around 4ghz, which is again 30%.

The current crop of Phenoms are great overclockers, PLUS, I don't know where you pulled that 'typical' 50% intel overclock from. Perhaps your arse?
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You must have failed math in school then. Let me teach you.

Core i7 920 stock speed = 2.66Ghz. 50% of that is 1.33Ghz. 2.66 + 1.33 = 4 (3.99 rounded up .01)

Q6600 = 2.4Ghz. 50% of that is 1.2Ghz. 2.4 + 1.2 = 3.6

Learn math then talk. Otherwise STFU. If you didn't know %'s are figured from stock speed, then we'll just chalk this one up to your ignorance of OC percent determinations.
 
moshpit said:
Fine, fine, we're taking it to PM. For the record, both of our points were relevant to the thread, sorry if you don't like the direction it was going. The point was made that this core unlocking thing gave AMD some kind of advantage over Intel that they cannot match, and my points were that is simply not true. Sorry if that went over your heads... :/
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No your point is not relevant to this thread at all, please exit now.
 
DeadSkull said:
No your point is not relevant to this thread at all, please exit now.
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Really? Are you the relevance police? Perhaps an authority on relevance? No? Then STFU.

Edit: trying to take it PM is being spoiled by idiots who want to keep the arguement going. Digital X and I are happily debating it out in PM if you want to join us, otherwise let my attempt to bow out stand or be prepared to be responded to. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, as they say...
 
moshpit said:
Really? Are you the relevance police? Perhaps an authority on relevance? No? Then STFU.

Edit: trying to take it PM is being spoiled by idiots who want to keep the arguement going. Digital X and I are happily debating it out in PM if you want to join us, otherwise let my attempt to bow out stand or be prepared to be responded to. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, as they say...
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I'm more interested in seeing Amd users report back their findings in this thread then your pathetic troll attempt (as I see it).
 
back on track.

ups man should be dropping off a 720 tomorrow, hopefully ill have some results posted tomorrow! ill be tossing it in a m3a79 :D
 
I'm really interested in getting this chip for a spare PC and unlocking the core, but there's just an amalgam of reports out there now. Please, let's organize the results a bit. What we need is:

1. A list of boards on which the unlocking has worked
2. Has anyone NOT been able to unlock the 4th core with ACC? Which batch is your X3 from?
3. If unlocked, how many are stable?

Let's get it together, people.
 
wow now this is gambling! i wonder what percentage are true failed recoveries, and what remaining percentage are working-but-castrated just to fill orders. definitely not intentional.
 
Its still going. Its almost an hour into the run. I have come accross an issue though, I can't get any temperature monitoring program to give me a reading for the cpu.
 
Vediovus said:
Its still going. Its almost an hour into the run. I have come accross an issue though, I can't get any temperature monitoring program to give me a reading for the cpu.
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So we are back to they days when you smell smoke it is time to back off the OC.
 
If this only works on a certain revision, what other revisions are out there?

If I order one like next week is there a chance I'll get a different core? I doubt it's even supported on my motherboard, but it would be cool to be able to unlock a core in the future if I replaced the board.
 
supposedly the hack only works with processors from the 0904 batch...

but i see alot of people are getting it to work, so i doubt.
 
Urgh I want to try this too but I'm a bit sketchy towards biostar motherboards.

Are they consider Gigabyte/ASUS tier?
 
from what i have read, its working on boards that have the acc option. this would be on boards with the 750 southbridge. not many people have this chip yet, so expect a ton more info and results soon.
 
Vediovus said:
Its still going. Its almost an hour into the run. I have come accross an issue though, I can't get any temperature monitoring program to give me a reading for the cpu.
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Enabling spread spectrum fixed that problem for me, but it made my overclock unstable.

I disabled the 4th core until I get mosfet heatsinks for my mobo. I don't know what the TDP could be with the magic 4th core enabled and theres people with my mobo who have fried it just by raising the volts a notch when using the phenom 9950 140W.
 
I have one being delivered today, unfortunately I have a 780G microatx board. Regardless it will be an upgrade over my 5400 BE @ 3.0ghz.

Oh well, the 4th core doesn't matter to me anyways
 
DeadSkull said:
I'm more interested in seeing Amd users report back their findings in this thread then your pathetic troll attempt (as I see it).
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Yet again, Deadskull, if your too dense too read what I said, the only troll is you. I said I've moved on to PM with the person I was debating with. So shove your remarks where the sun doesn't shine cause that's all they're worth. As long as you keep belaboring the subject after I said I've already moved on, I'll keep telling you where to shove it.
 
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