The New EVE: Apocrypha

OldPueblo said:
Don't feel bad at all, I can remember some seriously horrible fits I used when I first started this game. It's simply the process of learning. In general always always use what the ship bonus calls for. A thorax is a better ship for what you are looking to do, though if you have better drone skills than gunnery a vexor is a great ship as well and more flexible then a thorax as well as cheaper. Are you using EFT or EVEMon? EVEMon has the ability to load up what people recommend for ship fittings and then you can import them into EFT I think. I've not used it but I've seen it.

As for your skills, it looks like you are going the route of jack of all trades master of none kind of. I'd pick one ship and skill up to it really high and whatever it gives bonuses to, then branch off from it.
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I used to have several Vexor's. Went thru them almost as quickly as I got them, heh. Although really cool looking and a bit more beefier than the Celestes, I decided to go with the Celestes cause of its ability to fit launchers.

My reasoning behind having both, short range and long range weapons was that I can start firing on "x" from afar and as they/me get closer to eachother, I can switch to a shorter range weapon to finish them off, as well, often times when fighting NPC's, others usually warp in while your in a fight. So, I figured when that happens, I can finish off the rat I was fighting at close range and at the same time, start firing missles/rockets at the others who just warped in.

I do have EveMon downloaded and look at it from time to time, but honestly, I havent really found a use for it yet. I guess cause I really dont know what it is im supposed to be looking at or doing with it aside from seeing my stats without going into the game. The EFT I have not used or downloaded. The acronyms of the game Im still trying to learn.....I think the EFT stands for Eve Fitting Tool? Correct?

When I started playing the game, I was mostly into the Exploration part of it. But as time went on and I'd encounter other things in the game I wanted to do as well, so I started the skill training on those things. I guess my RL kinda bleeds over into the game cause in RL, I am somewhat a Jack of all trades too, but my specialty is woodworking. I like all kinds of things in the game and so, I just kinda became a JACK without really trying. Ive read that EVE used to be kind to JACKs, but now with all the changes, its really suited to specialties. Problem with that is, I usually dont know what it is im going to do when I log into the game untill Im actually there in the game. Perhaps I want to mine one day, but then explore and find wormholes and complexes the next.

I still only have just the one character atm. Ive been waiting to create another untill I had more experience in what I was doing so I could make that character better suited to specific purposes.

Still a DAMN FINE GAME though.....Loving it every minute :)
 
SAW, I sent you 25 mil, that should help a bit. Go buy a thorax if your hybrid skills are better than your drone skills, otherwise buy a vexor.

You can find some reasonable fits here:

http://scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21670&sid=83a946e5b5fee04c0450a238a0c4b4a0

You'll find thorax fits in that forum as well.

Replace the T2 items in the fits with a decent named one (meta 3 or 4) if you can't use the T2 version.

Grab EFT and go nuts =D

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=548883

And yes it stands for EVE fitting tool. It's all overwhelming at first, but you'll get the hang of it over time.

With EVEmon you'll want to create a new plan, then go to ships browser. Pick a ship you want to fly (say a vexor) and click on the blue battleclinic loadouts at the top and sort it by rating. Now double click on one of the fits (say high dps vexor) and on the bottom right you can click add to plan. Now at least you'll you'll have some idea what to train to be able to fly that ship with that particular fitting.

It's not perfect and some of the fits aren't that good, but it'll give you an idea. Some of the support skills aren't "required" to use the fit but are "required" to be more effective. That will come in time, the skills section of the eve-o forums has some good information.

As everyone above says, it just takes time and experience. You'll get the hang of it after a while.

Hope that helps.
 
That is very cool of ya to do Bro!!!! Heh, I remember back a few months ago, Thuleman wanted to give me a helping hand with some ISK and I, being the type of gamer who wants to earn his own way, I actually denied the help with the ISK. Stupid me, heh. After being in the game a bit, I saw how much help I really needed. If not for Thuleman, I wouldnt have half the skill training I have now.

I will use your helping hand the best I can.

I downloaded and took a looksee at the EFT just a while ago as well as looked at the EVEmon as you guys have pointed out. I must be blind or something. Those are some really REALLY helpfull tools indeed. I can totally see that I was fitting my ship wayyy wayyyyyy wrong. But, at very least, I didnt just throw things onto my ship, at least from my POV. I was giving some thought to the loadouts I did, I was just being TOO cheap and still using newbie equipment.

Mann o Mann....and I thought the game itself was a learning curve. Now I have 2 tools to LEARN to use ontop of the game. If only I was 16 again living with parents and no "real" responsibilities to worry about. Id be on this game like flies on shit, heh.

Thanks again for the hand UP. Much appreciated :)
 
HEH.....

Well, Im 35.....Married, 2 kids, 2 jobs and several thousand grey hairs on my head trying to take over the brown. I think it all started when I said "I do"....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
 
I was just reading thru some of those FITS at that site and people keep talkin jibberish to me.

What is chaining and hows it done?
 
Hmmm...seems like my current MMO definition list needs upgrading to this game. I was thinking "chaining" was something you did with weapons so that they fired in a particular order or at the same time.

And farming in this game is also slightly different than what other MMO's use the term. The basic concept is still the same...but different, lol.
 
I was just foolin around with the EFT tonight using the Celestis. I know there are better ships, I was just practicing using the program.

Im curious if what I came up with would be considered a "tank". Everything fits, but its only got 1m 10s of capacitor use, which im pretty sure is not a good thing, heh.

This is my first build using that program, what do you guys think?

[Celestis, Celestis Fit 1]
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN Afterburner I
Photon Scattering Field I
Ballistic Deflection Field I
Heat Dissipation Field I
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I

Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Vespa II x1
Hammerhead II x1
Hammerhead II x1
Infiltrator II x1
 
Right off the bat I need to point out to you that despite you appearing to like launchers, it's a gallente ship and they are best known for drones and hybrid turrets. Look at the fact that it has a gun bonus but only three turret slots, then compare that with the thorax that has five turret slots. In EVE it's all about percentages, the more percentages you can rack up together the better. Five turrets x 20% damage boost per turret at cruiser lvl4 equals some good damage potential, etc. The celestis is actually a gang support ship with a focus on electronic warfare, so it's going to take a back seat to other cruisers with more damage and tanking potential.

I started writing a tanking guide and then slapped myself because I know someone somewhere has put way more effort into it then I care to right now. Start here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Tanking
 
There are a couple rules that should be followed regardless of any situation:

1. Never mix guns/ranges. Ever.
2. Never mix tanks. i.e. fit either armor or shield tank.
3. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, because you eventually will.

I'm happy to help if you guys have any other questions :)
 
mashie said:
New official EVE Online video: The Butterfly Effect
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Nice vid, just wish they would stop misleading the oblivious on how many people actually play EVE. The narrator says over 300,000 people ...., omg what BS. There may be 300k subscribers, but half of them are macro miners, and the other half are people who have 3 subscriptions each, bringing the number of real people who play EVE down to about 50k.
 
I thought it was a pretty cool video. Dont know about 300k people, but then again, I dont really care how many people play. All I do know is that at any given time that I do log in and play, there are usually 25k - 30k players logged and out of those, it only takes ONE schmuck to make you rethink the way you play, heh.

That ONE schmuck popped me a few nights ago as I was returning with my Iteron full of Tritanium, 1,116,900 units to be exact. The guy was gate camping. The first one I have come across so far. He must have noticed me earlier going back and forth, cause I had already made the route 3 prior times and there was zero people in that system.

I know better than to take my ship into low-sec, as ive had many ships turn to space junk already. This particular time though, I got overly excited when I saw a deal for buying some Tritanium and then re-selling it. So excited I was, I didnt notice that to make the transaction, I had to do 11 jumps in one direction. Of course I didnt notice that prior to already paying for the goods. The trip HAD to be done.

Its time I really REALLY started paying attention to system stats and if there have been any kills made there recently. Problem is, I do not recall how this is done.

How do I check to see if there is any activity going on just beyond the jumpgate?

The EVEmon and EFT has really helped me out alot. After looking at LOTS of different builds, I can understand now what I was doing wrong earlier in my EVE career. The guy who popped me this time got lucky I was in an Iteron. I had no real defense. But he was only in a BC which I can already use, as soon as I can afford to get one. Im going to hunt his ass down too.

It has also FINALLY clicked in my head how the market system works with the buy/sell orders. How very simple it really is, so simple, its hard, untill it "clicks"
 
SAW said:
I thought it was a pretty cool video. Dont know about 300k people, but then again, I dont really care how many people play. All I do know is that at any given time that I do log in and play, there are usually 25k - 30k players logged and out of those, it only takes ONE schmuck to make you rethink the way you play, heh.

That ONE schmuck popped me a few nights ago as I was returning with my Iteron full of Tritanium, 1,116,900 units to be exact. The guy was gate camping. The first one I have come across so far. He must have noticed me earlier going back and forth, cause I had already made the route 3 prior times and there was zero people in that system.

I know better than to take my ship into low-sec, as ive had many ships turn to space junk already. This particular time though, I got overly excited when I saw a deal for buying some Tritanium and then re-selling it. So excited I was, I didnt notice that to make the transaction, I had to do 11 jumps in one direction. Of course I didnt notice that prior to already paying for the goods. The trip HAD to be done.

Its time I really REALLY started paying attention to system stats and if there have been any kills made there recently. Problem is, I do not recall how this is done.

How do I check to see if there is any activity going on just beyond the jumpgate?

The EVEmon and EFT has really helped me out alot. After looking at LOTS of different builds, I can understand now what I was doing wrong earlier in my EVE career. The guy who popped me this time got lucky I was in an Iteron. I had no real defense. But he was only in a BC which I can already use, as soon as I can afford to get one. Im going to hunt his ass down too.

It has also FINALLY clicked in my head how the market system works with the buy/sell orders. How very simple it really is, so simple, its hard, untill it "clicks"
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In re: to system activity, check this page

http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=172
 
I just got thru reading a guide about being a Pirate. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TheOrangeGuy/Beginners_Guide_to_Piracy_2.1.pdf

Being a Pirate and a Bounty Hunter has always intrigued me with this game, very neat stuff.

In this guide, it talks about how you CAN use a Frigate as a Pirate ship. At the beginning of my EVE career, I would have to say this is horse poo, but now, after playing around with EFT/Evemon and seeing how different modules are supposed to be used, it makes total sense how this is possible.

I was wondering though, from the veterans who play this game, have YOU ever done the Pirate thing while using a Frig? How'd that turn out for ya?

I have myself a small gang of 2 other people who are just as interested in this aspect of the game as I am and we are looking forward to becoming a small wolf pack and going out hunting. Is it truly doable for us to hunt in Frigs?

I realize there are better ships in which to hunt in, but then again, EVERYTHING in this game has its ups and downs. One thing may be good to use, but that one thing also has its drawbacks. One thing the Frigs have going for them is their speed and tiny size comparable to BC's. But then again, a frig is going to have less of a punch. And lets not forget, Frigs are Friggin cheap!!!! If ya get popped, no real big deal.

What do you guys think about it?
 
I have had some experience in small gang PvP in Synd, although it was a while ago. A wolfpack of frigs and cruisers can bring do BCs and even BSs, although you will need anywhere from 5-15 in order to do so. Assault frigs pack a decent punch, although I have never used them in PvP. If you want to do some small scale stuff, I'm interested. You might want to look into Synd as your home - it has some of the most ruthless small gang PvP in the game.
 
Mad Cat said:
You might want to look into Synd as your home - it has some of the most ruthless small gang PvP in the game.
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Syndicate really is probably one of the best places for small gang PVP. Most of us don't do POS crap, other than a few alliances like Huzzah and CryHavoc. Blobbing does happen from time to time, but you'll also find plenty of 1-10 man gangs as well.

It's quite fun. You should come down and experience some it on your own; you really having nothing to lose except a little isk :p It is just a game after all, and nothing beats small gang pew pew, it really is a blast.
 
Mad Cat and Squishy...

We are definately going to be making our way there, eventually. Atm though, I think we need to get some kills under our belts before venturing into some territory abound with gangs everywhere. So far, we have yet to get a single PvP kill to our names and are only a few weeks into "really" understanding how to fit our ships. We will get there though, we will get there. :)

So, Squishy...Which ship do you use when hunting? Have you ever used a Frig? How'd that go?
 
depending on how big the gang is i woudlnt hunt in a frig. i would use cruiser on up. only frigs i like are the electronic attack warfare ones. if you can throw in some heavy assaults would be awesome to.
 
yeah single frig is pretty tough to solo in SAW, or even a couple of you unless you go after haulers :)

And what I fly really depends on the situation. If I'm after single targets I usually dual box a rapier/arazu and a drake or a cerb. Tackle them with the former and kill them with the latter.

I think your best bet is keep doing what you're doing. Get some experience in low sec, even if it's ganking ratters at a belt to get some practice. Understand the scanner *really* well and aggro/jump mechanics. Learn the ships the best you can and learn their weaknesses and strengths. It takes a while; which can be unfortunate for the impatient, but you seem like a person that will stick with it.

Over time you can try and get into one of the corps in syndicate, that will help *immensely* as people will teach you on the fly.

If you peruse our killboard (or any syndicate corp for that matter) you can see what the gang compositions are made of.

http://notr.darkfrontier.com/kb/
 
In the right hands and the right engagements frigs can be awesome killing machines. Lookup Pegleg Punk on the battle clinic killboards. Some pretty entertaining kills flying a rifter, upto and including a solo battleship kill. The bonus of flying frigs is that you have the speed\sig radius advantage allowing you to pick and chose which engagements you take.

For a new player I'd say high sec piracy may be a better bet and less frustrating.
 
Saw - eve-pirate has a forum / some guides on there that may help (also crime&punishement on eve-o). when I was starting found a nice one regarding high-sec pirating (can baiting) using a 5day char in an iskur and bookmarking 150km out of belts to warp in on jet-can miners.. this is effectively using the agression mechanics to get someone to think you are hostile and shoot at you.

Otherwise low-sec 3man gang setup/tatic could be 2 tackling frigates (rifters best for this imo) enter a system and look for targets (scan/check belts) with a hard hitting ganky cruiser like Thorax sitting next system. Tacklers find juicy target, web/scram with a tight orbit to avoid tracking & thus damage, cruiser jumps in, warp to tacklers (in fleet options) and provides firepower to take down target ---> profit.

With most frigs you should be able to choose when & who to engage. Make sure to sort your overview out for PVP (ie remove asteroids, stations etc) so you can see whats going on.
 
just to anyone thinking of checking out eve its currently usd4.99\gbp2.99 for first 51days through steam until 17th (Get 21day trial then buy game - time is all added).
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Climber said:
Err say whaa? Those guys had played for years. They just started off with trial accounts but used their experience and already had a huge grasp of mechanics to do what they did.
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I was obviously talking about their in-game characters. How long they've played on other accounts doesn't matter, the best way to learn is to get out there and do it and there's no end up information for new players if they look for it.
 
I need some Eve help, and since the main forums are locked to new users I'm hoping you guys could give some answers.

Me and a few of my friends just started playing, and our main gripe so far is how hard it is to actually group and find each other. Harder yet is even staying next to the person - since once they warp I lose all track of them again.

So, from the beginning, I have a buddy and I see him log on. What's the best way for us to hook up? One trick I learned is to drag the location arrow from the upper-left of the screen into the chat box and create a location link. That works well enough for them to set a destination.

Now that we're next to each other, we create a fleet. Is this even necessary - to have a fleet of two? I'm assuming Fleets are just the same as Groups in other MMO's. So now we're grouped. But the instant he warps off somewhere I stop following and just sit there. Is there a way to follow or warp together???

And what about missions - is there a way to share missions? If he's on a mission and goes through an accelerator gate, do I go with him?

I just want to be able to fly around with my buddies and blow up some pirates, but this game seems to make it harder than it needs to be.

Thanks for any info.
 
Hito Bahadur said:
Hey all. New to EVE. Is there a [H]ard Corp?
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There is. It's called "Hard Corp"

I think 5INISTRY is the person you want to contact about joining Hard Corp. They have a recruiting channel at "Hard-Recruiting"

@ PoweredBySoy

Again, relatively new to the game but I can answer some questions:

Yes you can go with your buddies and vice versa in most missions. However you don't get the rewards for the mission IIRC. You can follow your friend through an accel gate.

There is a way to have your ship link to your friend's ship and it warps where your friend's ship warps. But I forget what you need to do for that.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
I need some Eve help, and since the main forums are locked to new users I'm hoping you guys could give some answers.

Me and a few of my friends just started playing, and our main gripe so far is how hard it is to actually group and find each other. Harder yet is even staying next to the person - since once they warp I lose all track of them again.

So, from the beginning, I have a buddy and I see him log on. What's the best way for us to hook up? One trick I learned is to drag the location arrow from the upper-left of the screen into the chat box and create a location link. That works well enough for them to set a destination.

Now that we're next to each other, we create a fleet. Is this even necessary - to have a fleet of two? I'm assuming Fleets are just the same as Groups in other MMO's. So now we're grouped. But the instant he warps off somewhere I stop following and just sit there. Is there a way to follow or warp together???

And what about missions - is there a way to share missions? If he's on a mission and goes through an accelerator gate, do I go with him?

I just want to be able to fly around with my buddies and blow up some pirates, but this game seems to make it harder than it needs to be.

Thanks for any info.
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To warp to the same place, whoever made the fleet can do a fleet warp where both of you warp together. If he is somewhere else and you want to warp to him, you can also right click him in any chat window and there is an option to warp to him (only available to current fleet members). You shouldn't just be randomly warping around without talking either and saying where you are going. Then you can just both warp together on your own. Chat in fleet or use EVE voice to communicate and that's about all you need.
 
PoweredbySoy - Your going to have to believe me on this one....It gets better. Communication and Travel in this game will certainly become 2nd nature to you, so dont worry too much about that. You have only cracked the shell of what this game has within it, stick with it, the shit you will see and experience will both, piss you off and then put a grin on your face stretching ear to ear.

My friends and I have been bitten by the "Yarrrr" bug. I saw how cool those Rifters were and how cheap, I bought 4 of em at once, LOL. I already know eventually, im going to get popped, so why just buy 1?

I spent some major time using the EFT and Evemon programs, learning, reading, fitting. I came up with a nice fitting. Spent about 8million on fixing her up. Ahhh, she was a sight to see. Went out to take her for a spin and to do a bit of ratting. Was plowing right thru them red x's. It was such a fast ship, I wasnt getting hit at all. I got overly confident though. As I was fighting the rats at this particular asteroid belt, I came across someone elses wreck. "Yarrrrrr" I locked down on it and before I knew it, I fired a rocket at it. BOOOM!!!! About 5 seconds later, Im greeted with a message from Concord telling me that "my kind" wasnt welcome around there and next thing I know, im looking at my pod.

What I did wrong was not pay attention and read the warning that popped up when I locked onto the wreck to begin with....I was nieve and thought it was just the warning telling me I was about to "steal", but turns out, it was a warning NOT to fire on the wreck cause I was in High-sec. Dohhh!!!!!

Bye-bye 8million, was nice having ya around for the whole 30 minutes or so I had ya. Heh....(Slap to self, dont fuk with other peoples shit when in high-sec....it aint worth it)
 
Any good clear starting guides for beginning in EVE? Been reading a bunch of stuff but so far its mostly gibberish. I'm more of a hands on person so was just going to hop right in and go to town, but was told that was a really fast way to get screwed up.
 
Climber said:
Any good clear starting guides for beginning in EVE? Been reading a bunch of stuff but so far its mostly gibberish. I'm more of a hands on person so was just going to hop right in and go to town, but was told that was a really fast way to get screwed up.
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You should be just fine if you stay in high security status systems (anything over .4). I recommend running the tutorials as well as various missions from different corporation agents until you get a feel for the basics of navigation and combat, as well as the market system. I guarantee that doing this first then reading more material will make much more sense; reading forums and guides alone won't make you a good pilot.

Also, don't be afraid of 'wasting time' changing your goals. Take the time to find something that appeals to your style of play. Lots of gamers have the tendency to pick one thing immediately to 'powergame' and quickly get frustrated.


To all EVE players ITT..

Sounds like many of you are just delving into the game with some friends- I highly highly highly recommend using voice chat as your primary means of communication. Ventrilo servers are fairly easy to host (or rent) and make things so much easier. Don't worry so much about having money or losing things- in EVE everything is replaceable and those that 'carebear' are likely to be disappointed. Material is a fluid thing and the ability to make money is much more important than having money itself. Also, never fly what you can't afford to buy, insure, fit, and lose. Might also be a good idea to never trust anyone you don't know outside of EVE.

Good luck capsuleers :) EVE is an awesome place.
 
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On the EVE online website on the left side there is a player guide link that leads to the wiki updated by players. As well, as a rule I never spend more on a ship then it costs to just buy the ship. The numbers don't always match up but basically don't spend a lot of money on a ship that can die in a heartbeat. The beauty of frigates and cheap ships is that you can fly them disposably.
 
OldPueblo said:
To warp to the same place, whoever made the fleet can do a fleet warp where both of you warp together. If he is somewhere else and you want to warp to him, you can also right click him in any chat window and there is an option to warp to him (only available to current fleet members). You shouldn't just be randomly warping around without talking either and saying where you are going. Then you can just both warp together on your own. Chat in fleet or use EVE voice to communicate and that's about all you need.
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But the 'warp to' option only ever seems to work if we're in the same system - which almost makes it pointless. Perhaps one of the problems is we don't know the system names and such. Perhaps veteran players can spout out things like "I'm in Kitszumari XII Moon VI" and his buddy will know right where to go - but for us it seems really daunting.

We have a Vent server, so communication isn't much of a problem. It's just finding, and getting, to each other.

Does Fleet Warp work between star systems too, or for multiple warps, such as setting a Destination?
 
PoweredBySoy said:
But the 'warp to' option only ever seems to work if we're in the same system - which almost makes it pointless. Perhaps one of the problems is we don't know the system names and such. Perhaps veteran players can spout out things like "I'm in Kitszumari XII Moon VI" and his buddy will know right where to go - but for us it seems really daunting.

We have a Vent server, so communication isn't much of a problem. It's just finding, and getting, to each other.

Does Fleet Warp work between star systems too, or for multiple warps, such as setting a Destination?
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In the broadcast screen I think there is an option to broadcast current location. You can then set destination and follow the waypoints. Just make sure you have autopilot to find a safe route or you may find yourself in a pod.
 
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Market question:

So how do I fullfill other peoples Buy orders? I had an item I wanted to sell, and instead of putting it on the market for auction I would rather just fullfill another persons Buy order - at a price I thought fair. I traveled to that persons station and the item was in my station's inventory. I clicked on the person's Buy order but couldn't figure out how to make the transaction.

Also, why are some Buy orders green and some black?

Thanks, amigos. Wish the Eve forums were open to me. =(
 
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