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The Evil Within

Bismo Funyuns said:
I'm with you on the horror games and movies in general. This is because it is much more challenging to develop a film or a game that is truly scary, disturbing or terrifying on that psychological level. So much easier to fill the screen with things that jump out and attack you, but are not really scary.

I don't think anyone finds games like L4D2, Dead Island or recent Resident Evil titles scary. These are pure action games. Games like Call of Cthulu: Dark Corners of the Earth and Amnesia were a lot more interesting for me. The Friday the 13th series and slasher films along those lines are not scary at all, you need to go back to The Shining and Rosemary's Baby to find that disturbing feeling of terror.

From the gameplay footage I've seen, at least it seems Evil Within is pushing that a bit more in the direction of psychological horror compared to recent action "horror" games that were not scary at all. I'm looking forward to it.
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hahah holy shit bro, they just dug you up from a grave? the shining, that movie is fucking retarded and rosemary's baby is not spooky, it might have scared some of those primitive goons on the 60's but today? LOL! Call of Cthulu Dark Corners of the Earth was pretty good though.
 
Bismo Funyuns said:
I don't think anyone finds games like L4D2, Dead Island or recent Resident Evil titles scary. These are pure action games. Games like Call of Cthulu: Dark Corners of the Earth and Amnesia were a lot more interesting for me. The Friday the 13th series and slasher films along those lines are not scary at all, you need to go back to The Shining and Rosemary's Baby to find that disturbing feeling of terror
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agree about people confusing scary with gory...movies used to be scary but now people associate lots of gore with being scary...Evil Dead, Saw, Hostel etc...lots of blood and severed body parts does not equal scary...go back to the original Halloween (1978), The Exorcist or Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) to watch how its done...it's the monsters you don't see that are scarier then seeing people's arms cut off...atmosphere and mood are what's missing in movies and games these days

I admit I'm a fan of the gore movies but they don't compare to true horror...The Evil Within looks like the modern horror craze of blood and guts
 
I always found movies/games that "build" up the tension or have restraint in the storytelling are far more scarier then ones that just constantly throw jump scares/gore out at you.

Movies like Poltergeist, The Changling, IT (well it's a mini series but still, scared the hell out of me as a kid, Tim Curry plays one mean clown), The Ring, Jaws, American Werewolf in London, and Nightmare on Elm Street.

If you don't give proper time to build up to the actual "scares" or work on setting the right atmosphere/mood and go headfirst into gore/jump scares it loses its impact quite quickly, to me at least.

I hope the game goes for more Silent hill route with it's atmosphere (one of the mentions it int he gameinformer video).
 
Stiler said:
I always found movies/games that "build" up the tension or have restraint in the storytelling are far more scarier then ones that just constantly throw jump scares/gore out at you.

Movies like Poltergeist, The Changling, IT (well it's a mini series but still, scared the hell out of me as a kid, Tim Curry plays one mean clown), The Ring, Jaws, American Werewolf in London, and Nightmare on Elm Street.

If you don't give proper time to build up to the actual "scares" or work on setting the right atmosphere/mood and go headfirst into gore/jump scares it loses its impact quite quickly, to me at least.

I hope the game goes for more Silent hill route with it's atmosphere (one of the mentions it int he gameinformer video).
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IT scared the piss out of me for years. Fuck clowns.
 
Bismo Funyuns said:
Curious to know which movies you found to be scary.
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thats a very tough question, it is impossible for me to remember them all, i would have to think about it and even then i might miss a few.

i will list the ones that i have on my file server, including the ones that scared me when i was a kid. this is a very subjective question as i am not easily scared. i'll have to list the ones that i found "unsettling" when i watched, and skip all the ton of the "disturbing" ones, that would be a big list, but it isnt what you asked.

again, this a is tough post to answer as i never gave it a thought.

here it go, skipping all of the disturbing and horror ones, also skipping a ton of the movies that i find the best ones because i find beauty in spooky movies thus not being spooked. so it comes to this short list, based on the impressions that i have as an adult:

[REC] (2007), [Rec]² (2009), Alien (1979), À l'intérieur (2007), Kim Bok-nam salinsageonui jeonmal (2010), Nekeddo burâddo: Megyaku (1996), Onibaba (1964), The Conjuring (2013), The Descent (2005), The Entity (1982), The Thing (1982).

i could easily put a hundred or two of real bad movies here but i find them all great, all of you might consider "movies with a disturbing feeling of terror" is the movies that i find fun, so i went through my movies and from all of them, this short list is the ones that had me "uneasy" when i watched, at least that i can remember because i have them here. it gives me the feeling that im missing all of the "best" lol

if you had asked "hey d4rkn3ss, any movies you found disturbing?" you would be swimming in really bad shit, cat. III galore included as i think at this point i have all of the really bad ones. i spent too many years hunting and going through this kind of shit, i love it!

phew, that was tough. :p
 
D4rkn3ss said:
thats a very tough question, it is impossible for me to remember them all, i would have to think about it and even then i might miss a few.

i will list the ones that i have on my file server, including the ones that scared me when i was a kid. this is a very subjective question as i am not easily scared. i'll have to list the ones that i found "unsettling" when i watched, and skip all the ton of the "disturbing" ones, that would be a big list, but it isnt what you asked.

again, this a is tough post to answer as i never gave it a thought.

here it go, skipping all of the disturbing and horror ones, also skipping a ton of the movies that i find the best ones because i find beauty in spooky movies thus not being spooked. so it comes to this short list, based on the impressions that i have as an adult:

[REC] (2007), [Rec]² (2009), Alien (1979), À l'intérieur (2007), Kim Bok-nam salinsageonui jeonmal (2010), Nekeddo burâddo: Megyaku (1996), Onibaba (1964), The Conjuring (2013), The Descent (2005), The Entity (1982), The Thing (1982).

i could easily put a hundred or two of real bad movies here but i find them all great, all of you might consider "movies with a disturbing feeling of terror" is the movies that i find fun, so i went through my movies and from all of them, this short list is the ones that had me "uneasy" when i watched, at least that i can remember because i have them here. it gives me the feeling that im missing all of the "best" lol

if you had asked "hey d4rkn3ss, any movies you found disturbing?" you would be swimming in really bad shit, cat. III galore included as i think at this point i have all of the really bad ones. i spent too many years hunting and going through this kind of shit, i love it!

phew, that was tough. :p
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Some great titles in that list! The original Alien is one of my all time favs, and we recently watched Carpenter's The Thing on Blu-ray on our projector, fantastic film.

Also was fortunate to catch the midnight screening of The Descent at Sundance. Some of those scenes with the creatures in the claustrophobic tunnels! :eek:

Truly scary films are so rare, it's memorable when you come across something that works on that primal or psychological level, where you keep thinking about the story long after it's over. We could use more games in the genre with this kind of impact.
 
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Bismo Funyuns said:
Some great titles in that list! The original Alien is one of my all time favs, and we recently watched Carpenter's The Thing on Blu-ray on our projector, fantastic film.

Also was fortunate to catch the midnight screening of The Descent at Sundance. Some of those scenes with the creatures in the claustrophobic tunnels! :eek:

Truly scary films are so rare, it's memorable when you come across something that works on that primal or psychological level, where you keep thinking about the story long after it's over. We could use more games in the genre with this kind of impact.
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thanks! that was a nearly-impossible-to-answer question because scary = fun! :p
 
Bismo Funyuns said:
New gameplay video looks like fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVShDsYih9Y
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that's the best trailer I've seen for the game...gameplay looks really good there...graphics not so much (character models look disappointing)...but I'm now officially interested...still could go either way and I won't pre-order but it definitely has potential in the gore/horror/freak show gaming genre
 
I admit this game looks interesting but running on that piece of shit ID Tech 5 engine is rather disappointing considering the fact that engine is one of the biggest failures in gaming history. Texture popping, ugly megatextures, uncompressed files, lack of multi GPU support and capped at 60 FPS is rather offputting. Don't know why did Bethesda insisted that this game had to be powered by ID Tech 5 and I expected better from the developers who developed Doom and Quake, one of the best PC games in history. Even their previous engines were better than this atrocity of an engine.
 
polonyc2 said:
why is this game in 3rd person for?...seems like it would be better served in 1st person
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I never would have even considered buying it if it weren't 3rd person. I *HATE* first person games; they make me barf.

Regardless of preference, I'll never understand why you can't go between 1st and 3rd these days.
 
D4rkn3ss said:
thanks! that was a nearly-impossible-to-answer question because scary = fun! :p
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Excellent list you had, but you should definitely add Insidious 1 and 2 to that if you haven't had a chance to see those!

Not to derail the thread too much, but you plan on seeing Annabelle this Friday?
 
ChronoDetector said:
I admit this game looks interesting but running on that piece of shit ID Tech 5 engine is rather disappointing considering the fact that engine is one of the biggest failures in gaming history. Texture popping, ugly megatextures, uncompressed files, lack of multi GPU support and capped at 60 FPS is rather offputting. Don't know why did Bethesda insisted that this game had to be powered by ID Tech 5 and I expected better from the developers who developed Doom and Quake, one of the best PC games in history. Even their previous engines were better than this atrocity of an engine.
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I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I've played RAGE and Wolfenstein extensively, and they are both quite beautiful. They have their down moments with a few bad textures, but they run silky smooth, and while in motion look incredible. Both have zero texture pop-in on my system, or on any close friends' systems that I've seen them on. I really wonder how many people actually see this issue, and how many just saw it in a video outlining the initial problem, and complain as though it's universal. I would think with the system I'm seeing in your signature that you wouldn't see this problem if it was properly configured since it outclasses mine by quite a margin. Now I haven't played The Evil Within, so maybe it's horribly broken, but until that's proven one way or the other, it seems quite silly to bash the choice of engine. It sounds like the Doom 4 footage was well received at QuakeCon too. It's on this engine too more or less.
 
Demon10000 said:
I never would have even considered buying it if it weren't 3rd person. I *HATE* first person games; they make me barf.

Regardless of preference, I'll never understand why you can't go between 1st and 3rd these days.
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It breaks immersion to float in and out of body. I wouldn't mind it if they hard set at the start of the game though; unable to change mid-way through...
 
BiH115 said:
Excellent list you had, but you should definitely add Insidious 1 and 2 to that if you haven't had a chance to see those!

Not to derail the thread too much, but you plan on seeing Annabelle this Friday?
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oh yeah but not this friday, when is available here. i'll probably wait for when is available in bluray. yeah i have them both but im waiting the story to conclude (2015) to decide what to do with them, if it concludes great i'll keep 'em all, but theyre not scary, just fun, enjoyable :p

i also like mockumentaries like V/H/S 1 & 2, The Fourth Kind, etc. before you ask, yeah i watch them all, like: omg mockumentary! mockumentary! i love mockumentaries! :D
 
J3RK said:
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I've played RAGE and Wolfenstein extensively, and they are both quite beautiful. They have their down moments with a few bad textures, but they run silky smooth, and while in motion look incredible. Both have zero texture pop-in on my system, or on any close friends' systems that I've seen them on. I really wonder how many people actually see this issue, and how many just saw it in a video outlining the initial problem, and complain as though it's universal. I would think with the system I'm seeing in your signature that you wouldn't see this problem if it was properly configured since it outclasses mine by quite a margin. Now I haven't played The Evil Within, so maybe it's horribly broken, but until that's proven one way or the other, it seems quite silly to bash the choice of engine. It sounds like the Doom 4 footage was well received at QuakeCon too. It's on this engine too more or less.
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Personally, I enjoyed the id Tech games I've had a chance to play so far, and I'm looking forward to DOOM 4 and more titles using this engine in the future. RAGE and Wolfenstein New Order were both fun and despite the level of detail in the artwork, they seemed optimized to run at a much higher frame rate than comparable multiplatform games.

The ruined interior environments in RAGE in particular were gorgeous, and I was surprised at how fast the game ran on my laptop at 1080p. I think the game got a bad rap for the AMD driver issues at launch, but those were fixed pretty quickly in my case.

polonyc2 said:
why is this game in 3rd person for?...seems like it would be better served in 1st person
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Yes, might have been easier to get immersed in the experience if it were in first person. However, in at least one of the videos it looks like when you aim the game sort of switches to a hybrid between 1st and 3rd person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zhemd9hinM
 
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That's kind of what I was getting at. I know that there were initial problems, especially on AMD hardware, (and maybe some border cases still exist,) but I've been running these games on a variety of hardware in my house, and friends have these games too, and none of us have seen these issues since the initial launch of RAGE. It was unfortunate to have occurred, and it rightfully pissed some people off, but to still be on the hate-wagon now, and try to perpetuate that stuff is just silly. Wolfenstein was gorgeous. RAGE was too, with the exception of certain low res textures. However, the geometry was decent, and the combination, especially in motion, looks really quite good.

I know I always jump in on this same thing, but it's really THAT perplexing to me. I've seen a lot of games praised that look nowhere near as good as these games. Anyway, I'll shut up now. Just surprises me that people still hate it that much.
 
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Lol an i7 as minimum, so the recommended and minimum are almost the same thats strange it just shows that this game is a lame port from the consoles nothing else... and since the game is 64bit only why are they only recommending 4gb ram? most games want 6 or even 8 and not 4.
 
Mortuus said:
Lol an i7 as minimum, so the recommended and minimum are almost the same thats strange it just shows that this game is a lame port from the consoles nothing else... and since the game is 64bit only why are they only recommending 4gb ram? most games want 6 or even 8 and not 4.
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Recommended specs has 4gb vram which is a big step over the minimum specs. Wolfenstein also had an i7 for recommended specs.
 
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Talking with folks on the team, you can give it a go with 2 GB VRAM, but it’s definitely not recommended. As mentioned in the blog post, we’re not posting minimum requirements, because we’re looking to share requirements that show the game the way it was meant to be played.

a few days ago they said this on the blog,, now suddenly ucan play it minimum on 1gb cards? i dont believe for a second this game will run any good even on low details with 1 or 2gb cards..
 
Mortuus said:
Talking with folks on the team, you can give it a go with 2 GB VRAM, but it’s definitely not recommended. As mentioned in the blog post, we’re not posting minimum requirements, because we’re looking to share requirements that show the game the way it was meant to be played.

a few days ago they said this on the blog,, now suddenly ucan play it minimum on 1gb cards? i dont believe for a second this game will run any good even on low details with 1 or 2gb cards..
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When I read.... "because we’re looking to share requirements that show the game the way it was meant to be played"... what I'm seeing is... "because we're looking to share requirements that show the game in the only way it will run and not be a total turd".

Last I knew 2GB cards were still a pretty good piece of the market, and I know I wont be getting rid of my 670's anytime soon.

This will be a pass for me for now I think. Unless word of mouth reviews around here tell a much different story than what I expect at this point.
 
Limahl said:
When I read.... "because we’re looking to share requirements that show the game the way it was meant to be played"... what I'm seeing is... "because we're looking to share requirements that show the game in the only way it will run and not be a total turd".

Last I knew 2GB cards were still a pretty good piece of the market, and I know I wont be getting rid of my 670's anytime soon.

This will be a pass for me for now I think. Unless word of mouth reviews around here tell a much different story than what I expect at this point.
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Wolfenstein ran flawlessly on my lowly 660Ti. I have 12GB DDR3, an X58/Xeon (basically about as low an i7 based CPU as you can get these days (I believe 930 equivalent). I used compressed textures, turned down AA to lowest (reduced blur) and left everything else all the way up. I don't see anything in the videos for this game that makes me think it would require more than Wolfenstein for hardware. Obviously to crank AA settings you're going to need more than my setup, but not TOO much more. Maybe a nicer CPU, and a GTX7xx or GTX9xx would do the trick.
 
Game looks scary and good, the graphics don't bother me. I certainly do not expect every game to be running the best game engines. I appreciate it, but don't expect it. However, I'm not into survival horrors games much anyways.

But it looks.. good.
 
Game look crazy and the graphic look good. I'm sure this game is going to be very good.
 
Hulk said:
so does this game use directx9 or 11?
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Equivalent to Dx9, as it is idtech 5 (that is opengl 3.2 or something like that if i recall correctly).
This had some modification so it could support a better lightning system than Rage or Wolfenstein (at least that is what was said).
 
If its ID Tech 5 its OpenGL no? Depending on the version used it could be equal to DX11 feature set. I'm mostly worried that this game will never support SLI/Crossfire well since no other game made on this engine did.
 
It is OpenGL 3.2 ~Dx 9

There are plenty of issues currently with OpenGL if you try to go for a higher version. There was a blog post this year detailing the sorry state of OpenGL in general talking about Vendor A, B and C (Nvidia, AMD, Intel) and a big part of it was how anything above 3.2 was prone to just not working unless you attempted specific workarounds for each one that even then wouldn't guarantee stability nor performance (and could even be broken from driver to driver).
 
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