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And apparently you have zero issues with people doing things wrong, anything at all... gotcha. It starts small, you know, and it snowballs fast till people do whatever they damned well please.

Moving on...
 
The information from post #56 is from microsoft's benefits overview page. I don't think you need an account to see that.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/bb892759.aspx

for those interested in reading through the actual Terms of Use:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/cc294422.aspx

Microsoft makes no distinction between an IT professional and Joe User. It is entirely about usage.

The keys are tied to you. God help the poor bastard who goes off and tries to sell the technet keys. When they activate, they know where they came from. If you give a machine to your brother, who puts it on Craigslist, it could very well bite you in the ass.

If you are setting up an Exchange server for a company and looking for cheap media, this is not for you. If you are trying to figure out *how* to set up an Exchange server, or are trouble shooting an issue with your production box, this is for you.

Think personal scratch space. This subscription is for a single user. Many of the folks on this forum are not 'normal' users - we have a half dozen boxes (or more) we play with. I would dare say most don't bother to put the cover on the chassis, just because we swap out hardware all the time. If you ever wanted to figure out if Windows 7 is the bee's knees or just Vista SP3 - this is for you. If you are supporting Grandma, who somehow ended up with Vista starter edition, and you want to figure out what the heck she is talking about - this is for you. If you are wanting to learn how to set up an Active Directory or some of the other Server based stuff, and even get some actual Microsoft on-line training - this is for you. If you are trying to figure out why GFWL does not work on XP64, but does on other operating systems - this is for you. If you ever need to figure out why foo.exe does not work on $OS, $SERVICE PACK for some of your users, this is for you. If you want to play with the latest, greatest - this is for you.
 
Started testing windows 7 last night, it seems quite nice but I'm not sure it's worth $1000 in licenses for the 4 computers in my house (which are never/rarely all used at the same time, Spare room comp, HTPC, main desktop, and broken laptop, WHS box). I mean the computers are not even as expensive as the license... I'll have to test for a much longer period of time before I can decide if I want to upgrade.

Now if I can convince my work they need to upgrade, that would would totally make the subscription worth while.
 
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Deadjasper said:
When you understand WHY he felt compelled to point these rules out, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Attitudes like his lead to a police state where neighbor turns in neighbor and friend turns in friend.
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No...they don't. Attitudes like mine? The attitude of wanting to post facts? Who anointed you the "police" police? Seriously. What's your issue with someone posting facts.

You're theory falls apart completely when you realize I'm not discouraging anyone from getting TechNet. I'm posting facts. Do you want to grasp this, or do you want to keep making yourself look more and more foolish?
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Absolutely agreed. Trolls will be trolls I guess.
 
I value my freedom and will confront anyone who tries to trample upon it. especially self declared cops who believe their opinion is law.
 
Deadjasper said:
who believe their opinion is law.
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I gave FACTS from Microsoft on the program in discussion. How dense can you be to not understand this? What is your reasoning for continuing this? How am I a self-described cop when I posted facts? Would you prefer to see a link to Microsoft's page?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/bb892759.aspx

Take your trolling elsewhere. Value you freedom? Are you f'n kidding me? Freedom to break rules? Tell you what. I'm going to rape the next hot woman I see...and then my defense will be that I value my freedom to do whatever the hell I want. Think the jury will buy it? What alternate reality do you live in???
 
Guys, I have to agree that some of the posts made this sound like it is a deal because you get 10 licences etc, without pointing out that the licenses are not the same as the one you get when purchasing OEM or Retail box.

This has now been pointed out, and Technet is what it is. It's up the individual if it would be a good deal for their use or not.
 
LOL. Going from "Hey, just to let you know, these are the policies of the subscription that you'll be buying, so make sure it fits your needs" to "trampling your freedom" and a "police state" is a bit of a reach IMO. Lets get back to the original topic, shall we?

Technet is a great tool for those that need it. As with anything you buy, make sure that the policies you are agreeing to fit your needs before you buy it.
 
*skips through impending shit storm*

What are these checked/debug builds I'm seeing on Technet? Are they software betas or release candidates?
 
GushpinBob said:
*skips through impending shit storm*

What are these checked/debug builds I'm seeing on Technet? Are they software betas or release candidates?
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They're developer specific versions. Stay away unless you like your OS to be larger and run slower :)

What is the checked build (or debug build)?


The purpose of the checked build of Microsoft Windows is to make identifying and diagnosing operating-system-level problems easier. The checked build differs from the standard build in the following ways:

* Many compiler optimizations (such as stack frame elimination) are disabled in the checked build. Disabling such optimizations makes it easier to understand disassembled machine instructions, and therefore it is easier to trace the cause of problems in system software.
* The checked build enables a large number of debugging checks in the operating system code and system-provided drivers. This helps the checked build identify internal inconsistencies and problems as soon as they occur.
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GushpinBob said:
What are these checked/debug builds I'm seeing on Technet? Are they software betas or release candidates?
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Neither. They are meant for developers, and have a full set up debug tools included and running in the background. The performance is much less than normal for troubleshooting sake. Unless you have a specific reason to use them (you'd know if you did), then you'd want to avoid them.
 
Is anyone having any problems renewing? I get to the cart page, but can't downgrade or get to the checkout page.
 
heelix said:
Microsoft makes no distinction between an IT professional and Joe User. It is entirely about usage.
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And yet the tagline for the Technet site is this:

Resources for IT Professionals

There is a disconnect between the EULA for TechNet and its marketing. It doesn't make sense to sell a now $150 IT software subscription to regular people that have no reason to have access to 10 licenses of every MS product unless they only care about the subscription fee. This is common sense based on MS's actions and marketing.

I just got another two renewal E-mails today. I've never once been asked what I do or what I'm doing or have done with this buffet of software. They don't care what I do as long as I'm not commercial or selling the codes on Ebay. They just want my money.
 
Neb said:
They're developer specific versions. Stay away unless you like your OS to be larger and run slower :)
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DeaconFrost said:
Neither. They are meant for developers, and have a full set up debug tools included and running in the background. The performance is much less than normal for troubleshooting sake. Unless you have a specific reason to use them (you'd know if you did), then you'd want to avoid them.
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Thanks for the info. :) You just saved me from burning up ~3GB of bandwidth.

Kind of reminds me of the time when I recompiled the Linux kernel for an old Slackware install and unknowingly checked the kernel debugging option, then wondering why everything seemed just a tad slower.
 
Deadjasper said:
When you understand WHY he felt compelled to point these rules out, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Attitudes like his lead to a police state where neighbor turns in neighbor and friend turns in friend.
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Her pointed them out because I asked. Not sure what that has to do with your beef...
 
Why does every technet deal thread seem to eventually become an argument about what you can, and can not do with the software? Its been discussed to death, eleventybillion times over. Just do a search on "Technet" and click on the longest threads.
 
Heelix in post #82 posted the links to MS rules for Technet. Most everything else posted on here are individual interpretations based on the personal views of the author. Read the rules, use your own judgement, and decide if you want to pay MS money for a Technet sub. The reason why these get into arguments is because many people feel they have the "right" moral interpretation of the rules and feel everyone else must comply. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is if MS decides you're following the license or not, and they'll take whatever action they feel is necessary if you aren't doing it their way. Everything else is rubbish.
 
yossarian said:
The reason why these get into arguments is because many people feel they have the "right" moral interpretation of the rules and feel everyone else must comply.
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You're viewpoint is why these threads turn into arguments. There's no moral interpetation at all, not by either side. The rules are the rules. There's no interpreting needed. Whether you choose to play by them or not, is up to you. In all of my posts, I never told anyone or even made a suggestion as to what is right or wrong for someone to do. I mearly repeated the facts, yes facts, that are the rules. You're second part of your post is correct....people need to decide what they want to do based on these rules. That's it. From the very beginning, I was only making sure people knew the facts, aka the rules, so they could make their own mind up based on the facts. Nothing more, nothing less. These threads always turn into arguments because those who post only facts, are called moral police and what not. That's the problem in a nutshell...the people who post the rules or links are always accused of being the moral police, when in reality they (and I) weren't passing judgement or telking anyone what to do.
 
I wasn't necessarily commenting on you Deacon. For example, an earlier post in the thread says "The software is not licensed for personal use meaning your daily use PC - it's licensed for testing purposes only, learning purposes, that sort of thing,..." and I don't see where the terms of use explicitly state you can't use it on your daily use PC. Just like it doesn't say that one must be an IT professional in the terms of use, although they address much of their discussion towards that group. The list of testing types says "may include" which doesn't exclude other types (and that's only on the description page, not the terms of use). So all I'm saying is that unless what you're doing is explicitly forbidden in the terms of use then you can do with it what you please regardless of anyone's interpretation but Microsoft's.
 
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DeaconFrost said:
You're viewpoint is why these threads turn into arguments. There's no moral interpetation at all, not by either side. The rules are the rules. There's no interpreting needed. Whether you choose to play by them or not, is up to you. In all of my posts, I never told anyone or even made a suggestion as to what is right or wrong for someone to do. I mearly repeated the facts, yes facts, that are the rules. You're second part of your post is correct....people need to decide what they want to do based on these rules. That's it. From the very beginning, I was only making sure people knew the facts, aka the rules, so they could make their own mind up based on the facts. Nothing more, nothing less. These threads always turn into arguments because those who post only facts, are called moral police and what not. That's the problem in a nutshell...the people who post the rules or links are always accused of being the moral police, when in reality they (and I) weren't passing judgement or telking anyone what to do.
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I think there is a little more interpretation of the T&Cs than that. I read through them, and while it does say that the use is for testing only, MS's definition of IT Professional is pretty vague. Nowhere does it say that you must be employed by the organization for which you are evaluating the software. Furthermore, nowhere does it say what they mean by organization. These are pretty odd terms to leave open to interpretation by a company like MS, and it is curious why they did. I'm not saying one way or the other who is right, but it is interesting to read.
 
TechNet has called me three times today to renew. Good grief. Just blacklisted them on Voipo.
 
Yeah, I've been getting hammered with renewal phone calls, too. So far, I've just let the answering machine take them, but no one has left a message (yet). I'm tempted to talk to them just to see what sort of deal might be offered, but I have a feeling it's nothing better than the codes sometimes posted here. Is the renewal (non-discounted) price still $249?
 
They called me today and left a message about saving $200 so I am guessing it is for the new option. They also said it would include an extra month.
 
fleggett said:
brennok, did they mention a final price? A $200 discount sounds EXTREMELY good.
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My renewal price is $149.00 plus tax......Ill be renewing in the next few days.I just haven't gotten around to it yet
 
fleggett said:
brennok, did they mention a final price? A $200 discount sounds EXTREMELY good.
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No they just told me to call. I want to say they thought I had the professional media subscription though which I don't. I wrote the number down but didn't save the message.
 
Crosshairs, did you get that price via the phone solicitation or by another means?

brennok, can you PM me the phone number they left on your voicemail? If I can snag a $149 renewal fee, I'll probably do it.
 
fleggett said:
Crosshairs, did you get that price via the phone solicitation or by another means?

brennok, can you PM me the phone number they left on your voicemail? If I can snag a $149 renewal fee, I'll probably do it.
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Right from the website.....its a downgrade from the regular Technet.......if I remember correctly, you get 6 learning classes instead of 12, and you do not get the 2 free support calls ...
 
Hit the link in the first post, which also has the buy now.

The telemarketing folks are ruthless. I was on a con call when one of them called in, wanting to do something with it. I just wanted him to go away (planning to renew on-line.... but there is still a question of if I or the company pays for it). He seemed very determined to do something with the account.

Fourth phone call - not sure how many emails, since I added a filter.
 
Oh, okay. Yeah, I saw the downgrade, but I thought you guys were keeping your original sub, but paying a discounted renewal price via the phone solicitation.

The lower sub tier looks very appealing. Decisions, decisions...
 
Anyone know if there are any promotion codes being offered for new Technet subscribers right now?

I just renewed my standard subscription and have a friend who was just hired by HP as some kind of tech who's interested in buying a subscription for the professional package.

Thanks!
 
snaggletooth said:
Anyone know if there are any promotion codes being offered for new Technet subscribers right now?

I just renewed my standard subscription and have a friend who was just hired by HP as some kind of tech who's interested in buying a subscription for the professional package.

Thanks!
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You may want to reread the first post. The code is right there.
 
oC|-TiTaN said:
For those who didn't realize, each of the 10 keys is also valid for 10 automatic (online) activations, meaning theoretically for each version of Windows 7 you can activate it 100 times without the need to call in.

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Once those 10 automatic activations are used up, in my experience, calling on the phone still worked. I wonder what the actual limit is before a key will not work, period.
 
When you renew does the number of keys get extended or do they assume you would only ever need the initial pool?
 
superbovine said:
When you renew does the number of keys get extended or do they assume you would only ever need the initial pool?
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From what I understand, if you do a simple renewal with your current credentials (login/pw), you're not issued any more keys - you just keep your old ones. If you let it lapse, though, and buy a new sub, but continue using your same credentials, you are issued new keys and can even access your old ones.

I asked that question HERE and had it answered (before Bahamut and several others started threadcrapping).
 
Hey thanks! I missed that. I don't see the need for all the extra keys in any environment I'm in, but was curious. It makes sense with the reduced rate for renewing too I guess.

I searched a few threads very briefly but forgot to bring my poopboots. I've got like 8 months left before i need to make a decision anyway. Thanks fleggett!
 
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