I always early scout in 2's as the Z in my ZP team. We get reaper rushed pretty often, and I pump speedlings if i even suspect ling/scv/reaper cheese with half my lings at each base where reapers jump up. Ling speed is really crucial, its been a while since I haven't put my first 100 gas into it. Replays would help, although I haven't been able to watch any replays beyond the ones recorded during the current game session :\
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Starcraft 2 Beta
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Intel_Hydralisk
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Problem is, even if we know it's coming it's very hard to counter. Just a reaper rush isn't a big deal, but reaper rush + getting 6 pooled is pretty devastating. There's no way you can count on the speedling upgrade against a reaper rush, takes way too long to research. Zerglings can catch reapers on creep, but not off of it. The problem is that my protoss partner is the one getting rushed and zealots are basically useless against reapers.
Basically:
- Protoss response to reaper rush is rush stalker. 1 stalker will stop the reaper rush.
- This is a problem because rushing stalkers is bad when you get 6 pooled at the same time.
I can't really help him with my zerglings. Reapers 2 shot my zerglings and off the creep they can't catch the reapers. That's why I thought of just sending my zerglings to the terran. He literally only has like 8 scv's total in his base, easy pickings for 6 zerglings.
One possibility is to rush stalker while completely blocking yourself in preventing the 6 pool lings from getting in. The biggest loophole in this is what happens if they then rush me the zerg player in a 2v1 rush and my protoss partner is now blocked in unable to do anything.
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Can I get it?
flooberjobby
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Just got 2 more beta keys... and if my friends don't want them. I'm going to sell them.
good luck people can get beta keys now by putting down 5 dollars on SC2 as a preorder.
thisperishedmin
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Is anyone else thinking that match making is broken? Last night I played 10 games and 9/10 were against protoss... (I play toss) my 7th game was against terran but then it went back to toss. I stopped playing after my 10th game..
I think theres just that many people playing toss. For now, I firmly believe that theyre a touch overpowered in the "low skill" league of players. I have a horrible time beating toss, and I was formerly able to fairly regularly win with any race in SC1. I'm not saying im l33t in the least, but right now, toss is VERY hard to beat if you dont have alot of micro skill with or T. Just my personal take ...thus, more people are playing toss.
This is entirely anecdotal though. For further instance, when playing with my friends who are generally comparable in skill to myself....toss has won nearly ever game in which it appeared (assuming FFA or 1v1)...like...18 or 19 out of 20 matches.
I was pondering some terran strategy...and why I have limited success with them. Suddenly it all clicked...Ive completely ignored the ghost thus far. Im excited to try them out again soon.
Ya I guess Silver is just loaded with toss, never had experience such a string until I got promoted.
Ghost own Toss with EMP. Most Toss do a straight Immortal push against Terran so you can expect that. But if you for MMM and throw in a few ghosts to EMP the Immortals you will pretty much roll over everything. I have also seen all Marauder + Ghost + Banshees demolish my force relatively fast. EMP + Marauders kill Immortals soo fast and then you use 3 or 4 Banshees to snipe Sentries to get rid of guardian shield.
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Got my beta key on April 22nd for Pre ordering through Amazon
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Got my beta key on April 22nd for Pre ordering through Amazon
when did you order? As in how long after you ordered?
i just preordered from them.
thisperishedmin
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thanks for the thoughts! terran was always my borderline weakest, but im oddly fascinated with them in this one. going to have to pull some of this out next time i draw random terran vs random protoss on my buddy.... so far its been a shoe in victory for him - but I definitely see him playing lazy and that working out for me haha
I gotta start playing more publics too lol
Cool, most Terran players open with a Reaper harass or go quick Banshees to harass, scout him out, if you find him going 2 gate then definitely reaper harass since zealots are too slow, then transition in the rest of your build. If you see a gate then a core don't go for reapers since he will most likely get a stalker out as soon as he can. Go straight for marauders and banshees. Use the banshees to harass his mineral line and keep him contained while you expand or build up a decent force.
I pretty much only lose to Terran when I fall behind in Marco and let them get too far ahead and this usually happen because of some type of early harassment that hurts my economy.
If I don't get harassed or if I defend it properly I usually expand, or build up force to take map control. Since Terran naturally turtle in 1 Base it doesn't take long for me to way ahead and its GG.
My buddy mains Terran and just got into Beta so far he hasn't beat me.
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Honestly as a Terran player I don't care much for the Reaper rush (too risky) but I see why people use it.
One of the best ways I've seen it countered is rush a worker out to find the Rax. Whether proxy Rax or not you have enough time to get your worker out there.
Then you just micro that worker to keep them from building the tech lab. All you have to do is buy enough time to pop the Stalker.
So you could try a variation of that and see if it works. If it does you'll have them beat due to pure economics.
I have seen more and more people using the worker to block the Teclab, Definitely a good idea to get the extra time.
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Ive got a 2 keys to give out, send PM and Ill get back to you, first come first served.
Edit: Keys are gone, yall are quick.
Edit: Keys are gone, yall are quick.
Refraxion - I talked to LzGamer today during his livestream, and he says that personally he likes playing against protoss the most. He didn't give me specific answer about Void Rays, but he says that he does reactor star port builds with more marines when he sees them coming. It was pretty interesting. He says that they're difficult to deal with for a lot of players that are having a hard time switching strategies against them. But he says he doesn't feel they're over powered.
Yeah I dunno, I guess its just me being stubborn. Though I guess my scouting skills need to be upped a bit more than normal to see if they really are going to go void ray rushing. I actually have gone reactor starport + marines, but some toss always catch me off guard with a decent sized frontal assault while they come in through the back with void rays and charge up to one shot my units lol.
I personally still feel that void rays at full charge is pretty powerful and is hard to negate without a decent sized counter army.
On the homescreen (after the "bnet down" prompts) it says that a new service pack is coming out and if you can't connect it means the update is in progress. I can't connect either
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I still have one beta key left if some one wants it... I haven't had a biter among my friends for it.
Eddit: sorry keys are gone now. I will try to get some more.
Eddit: sorry keys are gone now. I will try to get some more.
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I am rank 8-10 consistently platinum terran, I still lose to void rays sometimes. Even when I know they're coming, it's hard to adjust, terran needs so many things just to deal w/ protoss, its why matvhup is imb in my eyes.
We have to get ghost, marines, marauders, medivacs, thors, vikings, and tanks.......and if we forget one of them, or dont build enough of one, we already lost.
We have to get ghost, marines, marauders, medivacs, thors, vikings, and tanks.......and if we forget one of them, or dont build enough of one, we already lost.
Protoss needs one main thing to win against terran. stalkers.
One game has this protoss using nothing but zealots and stalkers, a gigantic blob of stalkers that laid waste to all my ground and air.
I took out the first crop, but he had a whole new batch up faster than I could replenish my forces. Mass battlecruisers works well enough against that, but it's an expensive proposition.
I wish there was a unit that auto repaired terran mech. Need not do it at some ultra fast rate, but some sort of universal nanobot upgrade to say heal mech units over time would be damned awesome.
I never use a lot of stalkers against terran, unless they're getting reapers at the start or hellions.
What are hellions actually good against? I've never used them myself and only have seen 1 or 2 games that someone made some, and it was only a few at that. They got owned pretty quickly. I'm Terran mainly and haven't ever given consideration to make them.
Light units, with the igniter upgrade they're amazing against ANY light units even hydras. But you have to micro them well, their shots are beams and hydras spread. It's difficult to manage them but they beat zealots easy.
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Hellions are good against workers.
They're a good mineral sink if you'r teching thors and find yourself with extra minerals. Pop a few hellions and harass with them.
It seems like marauders would destroy stalkers. Marauders do 10+10 against armored... I've never seen a close match between stimmed marauders and a vanilla tier 1 / 1.5 protoss army. Protoss almost always needs higher tech just to beat MnM.
Ive also used them as backup for Thors. They protect the thors from getting surrounded by zerglings.
edit: Lame that BNet is down right now. I havent been able to play at all the past 2 days
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Where did you hear that from? This is new to me... very very bad news...
I believe the date is with respect to the date by which you have to claim your preorder beta key, but I'm not certain.
Doesn't make sense to end beta now when the release date is still months away and other game modes haven't been tested.