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refraxion said:
@Serpico - that's what choke points are for. Even without warpgates early Zerg can't do crap all with just zerglings
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I am fully aware of this, that's why zergling rushes generally don't work against Protoss. That said, reversing them and forcing them to regroup is much faster with warpgates. Otherwise you are slowly replenishing forces as a steady stream of lings keep rolling in. Getting a bunch of stalkers/zealots out the door immediately and at once versus waiting for them isn't necessarily a bad thing. :)

In any case, extending the build time for warpgates was obviously done to kill PvP warpgate rushes. Not that it will change things all that much, standard 2 or 3 gate rushes are still extremely effective in PvP.
 
kencheeto said:
they're not adding content, just tweaking stats (quite a bit) to balance out anything they notice over time. We're lucky enough to be playing during active development :)
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Yup. They're still aiming to get SC2 out the door by June or July. Barring anything completely unexpected, its all a numbers tweaking game a this point.
 
Serpico said:
I am fully aware of this, that's why zergling rushes generally don't work against Protoss. That said, reversing them and forcing them to regroup is much faster with warpgates. Otherwise you are slowly replenishing forces as a steady stream of lings keep rolling in. Getting a bunch of stalkers/zealots out the door immediately and at once versus waiting for them isn't necessarily a bad thing. :)

In any case, extending the build time for warpgates was obviously done to kill PvP warpgate rushes. Not that it will change things all that much, standard 2 or 3 gate rushes are still extremely effective in PvP.
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2 or 3 gate warp rushes are preventable now, from what I've been playing. Also, there is FINALLY a more diverse army in PvP matches. One unit I kind of like using after some scouting is the Phoenix. If they are going heavy immortals and what not, you can just graviton beam them and put them out of the fight. It's worked wonders.
 
refraxion said:
2 or 3 gate warp rushes are preventable now, from what I've been playing. Also, there is FINALLY a more diverse army in PvP matches. One unit I kind of like using after some scouting is the Phoenix. If they are going heavy immortals and what not, you can just graviton beam them and put them out of the fight. It's worked wonders.
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Yup, they're very preventable now that Warpgate research time has more than doubled. In the big picture I'm happy about it since it'll make PvP matches slightly less stupid. Thing is that nothing will stop someone in a PvP game from at least attempting a 2-3 gate zealot rush and entirely skipping gas/tech, but nothing can be done about that. :)

I want to like the Pheonix more, I really do. They're pretty cheap and the graviton beam is good fun, its just that their DPS does nothing for me. Even a mass of phoenixes will have a difficult time against a bunch of mutalisks. But you're right, those and Void Rays are perfect counters to a Protoss player that goes hardcore Robotics and pumps out a bunch of immortals and colossus.
 
PvT marine massing = fucking lame

just felt the need to cry about that

And is it just me or is almost no one playing zerg?
 
z3r0- said:
PvT marine massing = fucking lame

just felt the need to cry about that

And is it just me or is almost no one playing zerg?
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I have played mostly terran, and see mostle terran and protoss.


I only recently tried zerg, seems to have amazing ground destruction, but their air seems lacking.
 
I play a lot of zerg and protoss. Terran is the least played that I've noticed.. but they are also pretty damn hard to beat as a protoss player.

PvT is pretty lame though I agree. Stim packed M&M are DANGEROUS especially with 1-2medivacs or more. You need an army of colossi to take that crap down.
 
I don't entirely agree with that, a few stalkers with a pretty zealot laden mix works fine. But you really do need 2-3 immortals. if you can FF the immortals on the marauders you'll win easily. Oh 1 or 2 sentries help, the thing is you're always going to be able to have a nice mix of tier 1 units as a Protoss player, and just mixing in a few immortals if you can I think you'll win.
 
Stalkers with zealot mix does not work too well against M&M, with stim packs they will just blow through your entire army. I've tried it many times. You'll usually get lucky if your immortals can take out most of the Marauders. But even by the end of that, yours and the other guys' army is usually destroyed and you have to regroup. Colossus is really the best way to take them out, though a healthy amount of immortals with some zealots for meat shields (and marines) while stlakers/ immortals FF the marauders is not bad at all. The range upgrade for colossus is ideal.

I've played with quite a few 1v1 platinum players and I think I've gotten quite a bit of match up experience to see what is and what isn't useful against matches. Early observer is the best tool against a terran player. You can usually get one within 5-6 mins of the game and you need to scout out what his base has. One stargate per starport is the general rule, robotics facility and robotics bay if M&M build. EMP totally destroys a protoss army though, that is why I usually do a 2 immortal drop on a ghost academy to take it out asap.
 
man wish i had more time to play this since a lot of my friends play it often. Either SC2 or HoN
 
tybert7 said:
I have played mostly terran, and see mostle terran and protoss.


I only recently tried zerg, seems to have amazing ground destruction, but their air seems lacking.
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The zerg have been neutered. They were dominant but now they are nothing.

You are dead on about air power too.

The humans just rock.
 
Zerg definitely do not suck in air. Fast muta's give protoss players a run for their money.
 
can you guys post all your sc2 names here? mine is kencheeto.reaper

Started in silver, got bumped down to copper, got back to bronze today. I'm looking for a 2v2 partner as well..
 
guavaball said:
The zerg have been neutered. They were dominant but now they are nothing.

You are dead on about air power too.

The humans just rock.
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Zerg early-game are pretty decent. Zlings and Roaches combo are pretty potent and cheap so early, but soon become out-classed.
In 2v2, I've been trying a strategy I saw on a video a few days ago:
As terran, instead of just using the standard, starting position, immediately take off and move to the high-yield location. In 2v2 it works quite well, especially on maps where it puts you nearer to your teammate.

In trying it on 1v1 it has not worked as well, especially if the opponent does any scouting and finds you early.
 
refraxion said:
Zerg definitely do not suck in air. Fast muta's give protoss players a run for their money.
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Nor do they suck on the ground. Zergling rushes are can be cranked out really fast, roaches are really strong considering how cheap they are, and hydralisks are very powerful in large groups, among the highest DPS of any tier 1/tier 2 unit in the game. You also have lots of flexibility given by nydus worms, you can produce quite a lot out of a single base with queen larva inject, etc etc. Zerg are pretty darn cool IMO.
 
If anybody got the "invite a friend" email...

Please shoot me PM!! I'm dying here.
 
LOL, this is nuts, they must've really liked me to keep sending me keys :D

First come, first serve ;)

People told me to sell it, I'm not doing that
 
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rwar still no key... :(. Hoping the one person that I know that got in in the second wave gets another key..
 
No key, please PM people who have posted rather than giving it a chance on who's logged in next time IMO (not bashing, just saying) :)! I'm dying for one still :D.
 
GoldenTiger said:
No key, please PM people who have posted rather than giving it a chance on who's logged in next time IMO (not bashing, just saying) :)! I'm dying for one still :D.
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Oh you're completely right, and because I started the thread on the friend invites topic, my invitation should be first. :) haha this is wild! Good luck getting keys gents!
 
Decko87 said:
Oh you're completely right, and because I started the thread on the friend invites topic, my invitation should be first. :) haha this is wild! Good luck getting keys gents!
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Well I was just saying a cursory glance would be nice to take prior to handing them out... I don't fault someone for not putting extra work into handing out something for free as a favor obviously :). Don't misconstrue the intentions behind that post :p . P.S. I do agree you should get one early ;).

EDIT: I'm all good, thank you sooooooo much to the anonymous donor of a key to me :) (feel free to PM me if you want your name here) .
 
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GoldenTiger said:
Well I was just saying a cursory glance would be nice to take prior to handing them out... I don't fault someone for not putting extra work into handing out something for free as a favor obviously :). Don't misconstrue the intentions behind that post :p . P.S. I do agree you should get one early ;).

EDIT: I'm all good, thank you sooooooo much to the anonymous donor of a key to me :) (feel free to PM me if you want your name here) .
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lucky :p

if anyone else has an extra id LOVE to have one :D
 
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