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Squadron 42, which should be out by later this year/early next year, will be a good indicator for how the core gameplay will be for Star Citizen.
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Squadron 42, which should be out by later this year/early next year, will be a good indicator for how the core gameplay will be for Star Citizen.
Wait, I don't understand why the performance of this MMO is so shitty, but people are accepting of it.
You could easily play Freelancer 25-player server on a single core Athlon 64 on a T1 line. I used to play on Browclops's serveer pretty regularly, and those were his secs.
That's for 25 players mostly lag-free, in a game with FIFTY star systems you can mine with impunity, hundreds of bases/planets where you can trade or take on missions.
Not to mention a full helping of AI ships to fill-in that universe that meet you and can be pirated even when you're not running missions.
You can't even do 1/4 of that in Star Citizen, but player count can't go above a dozen. How do we excuse this, again?
You can't even do 1/4 of that currently in Star Citizen
Not to defend them but who is to say by the end of beta (we are no where near that) they get server population up way higher? The game is alpha still. Are we expecting too much or not enough? Personal opinion I'm thinking and certainly no expert on my part.
Not to defend them but who is to say by the end of beta (we are no where near that) they get server population up way higher? The game is alpha still. Are we expecting too much or not enough? Personal opinion I'm thinking and certainly no expert on my part.
But did Freelancer have realisticly simulated water flow in the ship's toilet? I think not!Wait, I don't understand why the performance of this MMO is so shitty, but people are accepting of it.
You could easily run a Freelancer 25-player server on a single core Athlon 64 on a T1 line. I used to play on Browclops's server pretty regularly in the first year, and those were his specs.
That's for 25 players mostly lag-free, in a game with FIFTY star systems you can mine/pirate with impunity, hundreds of bases/planets where you can trade or take on missions.
Not to mention a full helping of AI ships to fill-in that universe. They fly around freely, and interact with each other, INDEPENDENT of any spawned for any missions you've taken on.
You can't even do 1/4 of that currently in Star Citizen, but player count can't go above a dozen. How do we excuse this, again? We should be able to easily double that in a single instance, even with the added FPS features.
OR are you trying to tell me that compute power has GONE BACKWARDS since 2004?
But did Freelancer have realisticly simulated water flow in the ship's toilet? I think not!
The sad thing is that I'm genuinely not sure if you are joking or not. It's the kind of thing I can imagine them spending resources on and adding it to the list of features in the patch list.3.0 actually changes the flow direction, depending on what part of the galaxy you're on
But did Freelancer have realisticly simulated water flow in the ship's toilet? I think not!
We live in an era where random indy games give us 64 on 64 player battles without even batting an eye, and most generic MMOs give us hundreds of players in a server.
WOW can give you, as of 2010 6000 people in a single server, just to show you what's really possible if you put your mind to it. This was their first attempt at an MMO, vbut that didn't stop them from growing server size quickly.
EVE Online can, as of 2011, host 60,000 people at-once on their single server! And when they started in 2003 hey had to host almost 10k people, so they had to learn quick how to make things work.
I don't think asking for a few hundred in a server (like other smaller MMOs) is asking too much. Especially after all these years in development.
The fact that it's beaten by a 14-year-old game TODAY is simply staggering. Especially since Freelancer server could jump up to 128 players, if you threw enough processing power at it. I'm pretty sure a 7700k could handle that 4x single-threaded jump from a 2003-era Athlon 64.
If the MMO portion of the game is so important, why does it's actual usability always seem to be the last priority of Chris Roberts? But oh wait, let me distract you with our latest shiny when you dare to ask questions.
WHEN YOU STOP GETTING DISTRACTED, the reality starts to make less and less sense.
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Thanks for keeping the thread bumped everyone
EVE Online can, as of 2011, host 60,000 people at-once on their single server! And when they started in 2003 hey had to host almost 10k people, so they had to learn quick how to make things work.
I agree with much of the rest of your post, but this particular line is a gross simplification. Eve's datacenter isn't THAT incredible on in the scheme of big DCs, but from the pic or two I've seen of some of their racks, they could have some serious power in there (for the amount of space it appears to take up).
Just as a comparison, I built and run the server for the local (to me) division of the company I work for. We only have 300 people on site here (the company as a whole is a nation-wide fortune 100 company.) I got a Cisco UCS Mini chassis, and put in four blades. I think it's what 12U or 15U of rack space for the server chassis, and about the same for the EMC SAN it's connected to. It all fits in about half a standard rack. This UCS has four blades. Each blade contains 256GB of RAM, and two CPUs with 10 cores each. So all together that's 80 cores and one TB of RAM. (The SAN is roughly 40TB tiered SSD and SAS). Pretty ridiculous for something that cost maybe $80-90K. It's connected by 10Gb fiber to our main networks, and it's fibrechannel between the servers and SAN (directly connected).
That's HALF OF ONE rack. Eve's DC contains a few racks that appear to be much more full than the one I run here. I don't have direct data on what they've got running there. Just rough guesses based on a couple of pics I saw. However, I would estimate that it's many times what I run here, and while sure, you could call it their "single server" it's still a lot of computing and connectivity power.
Maybe you already know this (I'm willing to bet that's the case) and were just simplifying it for the sake of being concise, but if we're going to talk about what some of these games run on, then I think it's wise to elaborate a bit on the actual capabilities to the degree that any of us can from the outside.
As far as how this relates to Star Citizen, or compares to what they're running at CIG, I have no idea, and your comparisons as far as what the games presented to their many players, I don't contest at all. You probably have a much better idea than I do on that. I don't really play many (if any) "proper" MMOs. I just wanted to put the server thing into a bit more perspective. Maybe it will bring more information about what all these games are running on to light. I'm interested to know this actually.
As far as Chris Roberts, his company's business model, etc. I have more of a wait and see attitude. I don't agree with some of it, and people are free to think about it however they like. It really just doesn't matter that much to me. I want to see them succeed, and hope they do, but until it's finally decided one way or the other, not really much of a concern to me.
Yeah unfortunately that's not coming with 3.0. This is just the first iteration of cargo so they're focusing on getting the basics working. Next step after this is large containers, which ties in with salvaging (and mining too) since you'll need those large containers to store the large amount of cargo/material produced from salvaging a ship.That was a pretty cool vid, though I was kinda hoping that you would be able to salvage wrecks on planets (as well as in space) with the Reclaimer. Not just pick up loot that spawns next to the wreck.
A "server" in MMO context has always meant a single universe/shard AFAIK, doesn't have anything to do with how much hardware is behind it.
But it's a misnomer because of that and also because with zoned MMOs like EQ1 you'd have thousands of people on the same shard but it's stupid to say you're on the same server unless you're actually in the same zone. I think the most I ever saw in the same zone in EQ1 when I played was around 300 people and it'd really be chugging but I don't know how much of that was network performance vs server performance vs graphics rendering.
The first iteration of cargo is coming after five years in an MMO for which trade is one of the cornerstones. Nothing to worry about here, Star Citizen is coming along nicely.Yeah unfortunately that's not coming with 3.0. This is just the first iteration of cargo so they're focusing on getting the basics working.
So last july, official word was August. Then official word was September. Then official word was October. What's the new official word on 3.0 release? Or is there one?
Bored Gamer thinks it will make it out for Xmas. He's Evocati so I wonder if he knows something we dont?So last july, official word was August. Then official word was September. Then official word was October. What's the new official word on 3.0 release? Or is there one?
That's always a good sign.Nothing official about Star Citizen's timeline. CIG has stopped giving estimated dates.
Bored Gamer thinks it will make it out for Xmas.