Samsung Odyssey 1440p VA monitors 240hz curved

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Awesome. So two things I really really want to confirm:

1. Can you adjust brightness in ULMB mode? Not contrast but brightness.
2. Can you adjust the color in sRGB mode and can you do that all in ULMB.
3. How's crosstalk at 120hz?

Thanks and congrats!


13:34 is when he starts talking about it's MBR mode. He says that the strobe is not timed correctly so it doesn't look good at any refresh rate. He only shows pursuit footage for 240Hz and 144Hz but says that both 120Hz and 144Hz have so much artifacts it looks a lot worst than just sample and hold. Of course we could always use more user feedback but hopefully this gives you a general idea to start with.
 

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13:34 is when he starts talking about it's MBR mode. He says that the strobe is not timed correctly so it doesn't look good at any refresh rate. He only shows pursuit footage for 240Hz and 144Hz but says that both 120Hz and 144Hz have so much artifacts it looks a lot worst than just sample and hold. Of course we could always use more user feedback but hopefully this gives you a general idea to start with.

Then as far as I'm concerned there's no reason to buy this. Thanks!
 

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Then as far as I'm concerned there's no reason to buy this. Thanks!

I mean it's still very impressive and shows how good VA panels can be when it comes to response times. But if your only factor for buying the monitor at all was it's performance when using backlight strobing, then my advice would be to set your sights for an LG CX OLED. It's 120Hz BFI mode truly delivers CRT motion with zero crosstalk/ghosting/inverse ghosting artifacts, it's just perfect. And this is coming from someone who's a crackhead for motion clarity. I have used a Sony Trinitron CRT from the early 2000's up until 2011 when it finally kicked the bucket, and to this day I still own one of the best backlight strobing LCDs ever made, the Eizo FG2421. For years I have been searching for a worthy 1440p successor to the Eizo and have tried various monitors from the BenQ XL2730Z (First 1440p 144Hz strobing monitor), to the Samsung 1440p CHG70 series after hearing rave reviews about the 24" 1080p CFG70's performance, to the Asus VG27BQ with ELMB-SYNC. None of those options ever satisfied me and I simply gave up and went for a 240Hz sample and hold TN (Omen X27). The LG CX with it's BFI though....it is the real deal and has finally ended my search for a worthy successor to CRT's/Eizo FG2421, all while offering OLED contrast and colors.
 

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I mean it's still very impressive and shows how good VA panels can be when it comes to response times. But if your only factor for buying the monitor at all was it's performance when using backlight strobing, then my advice would be to set your sights for an LG CX OLED. It's 120Hz BFI mode truly delivers CRT motion with zero crosstalk/ghosting/inverse ghosting artifacts, it's just perfect. And this is coming from someone who's a crackhead for motion clarity. I have used a Sony Trinitron CRT from the early 2000's up until 2011 when it finally kicked the bucket, and to this day I still own one of the best backlight strobing LCDs ever made, the Eizo FG2421. For years I have been searching for a worthy 1440p successor to the Eizo and have tried various monitors from the BenQ XL2730Z (First 1440p 144Hz strobing monitor), to the Samsung 1440p CHG70 series after hearing rave reviews about the 24" 1080p CFG70's performance, to the Asus VG27BQ with ELMB-SYNC. None of those options ever satisfied me and I simply gave up and went for a 240Hz sample and hold TN (Omen X27). The LG CX with it's BFI though....it is the real deal and has finally ended my search for a worthy successor to CRT's/Eizo FG2421, all while offering OLED contrast and colors.

I get it. I was just disappointed that a $700 monitor doesn't really have any usable ULMB mode. Especially because the response times are fast enough. If Samsung would simply tune the backlight pulse then it would work fine. Alas, they seem not to have given a shit about it.
 

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I mean it's still very impressive and shows how good VA panels can be when it comes to response times. But if your only factor for buying the monitor at all was it's performance when using backlight strobing, then my advice would be to set your sights for an LG CX OLED. It's 120Hz BFI mode truly delivers CRT motion with zero crosstalk/ghosting/inverse ghosting artifacts, it's just perfect. And this is coming from someone who's a crackhead for motion clarity. I have used a Sony Trinitron CRT from the early 2000's up until 2011 when it finally kicked the bucket, and to this day I still own one of the best backlight strobing LCDs ever made, the Eizo FG2421. For years I have been searching for a worthy 1440p successor to the Eizo and have tried various monitors from the BenQ XL2730Z (First 1440p 144Hz strobing monitor), to the Samsung 1440p CHG70 series after hearing rave reviews about the 24" 1080p CFG70's performance, to the Asus VG27BQ with ELMB-SYNC. None of those options ever satisfied me and I simply gave up and went for a 240Hz sample and hold TN (Omen X27). The LG CX with it's BFI though....it is the real deal and has finally ended my search for a worthy successor to CRT's/Eizo FG2421, all while offering OLED contrast and colors.
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the monitor is so freaking fast with near CRT motion clarity at 240hz that it doesn't need ULMB mode to do it and yet you still trash it? lmao

If it has a strobing backlight mode at minimum you would want it to work correctly. I hope Samsung fixes it with a firmware update because these seem like they are rushed to market considering how new firmwares started appearing right after release.
 

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the monitor is so freaking fast with near CRT motion clarity at 240hz that it doesn't need ULMB mode to do it and yet you still trash it? lmao

lmao? What are you talking about? I don't care that 240hz is "near CRT motion clarity". I want CRT motion clarity. If/when Samsung fixes this implementation then we'll have it. Until then, I don't care how almost clear 240hz is. Samsung needs to pull their heads out of their collective asses, reach out to Blurbusters (the community of people who care about this stuff), and allow their monitors to be tuned properly. Imagine if this monitor could do what the Viewsonic XG270 could do. Strobing from 75-240hz, adjustable strobe PWM so that you could minimize cross-talk... All while being a VA panel that has twice the contrast. I would gladly fork the $700 over if that's what this was. But it isn't.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good advancement for VA monitors. But just thinking about what *could* have been, along with the price that they're charging? No thanks. I'd rather go find an old CRT monitor from a recycler. Being 100% honest here.
 

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the monitor is so freaking fast with near CRT motion clarity at 240hz that it doesn't need ULMB mode to do it and yet you still trash it? lmao
There is only one monitor tech that can come close to matching CRT for motion clarity, and that's OLED. LCD monitors still have pixel rise/fall times, even at 240hz.
 

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There is only one monitor tech that can come close to matching CRT for motion clarity, and that's OLED. LCD monitors still have pixel rise/fall times, even at 240hz.

Viewsonic’s blur busters approved monitor gets really really close. 120hz and below. But then OLED doesn’t just get close but nails it and then there’s the contrast too...

But... the Viewsonic is a fraction of the price too.

All I’m saying is that with a little tuning this Samsung could be awesome.
 

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Viewsonic’s blur busters approved monitor gets really really close. 120hz and below. But then OLED doesn’t just get close but nails it and then there’s the contrast too...

But... the Viewsonic is a fraction of the price too.

All I’m saying is that with a little tuning this Samsung could be awesome.
Don't get me wrong. The G7 looks like a fantastic monitor for gaming. In fact, if I hadn't already splurged for an LG CX 55, I would heavily consider it (except for that curve... ew).

Also, the strength of OLED's pixel response is also sort of a weakness; at low frame rates, the picture refreshes so fast that it can feel jarring if you're not used to it. It feels like a slide show of sorts. This is one area where LCD tech can feel more natural since it doesn't have that instant pixel change.


EDIT: as a weird twist, LG's OLED TVs actually have Black-Frame Insertion (BFI). The CX even has BFI @ 120hz. So not only do you get near instant pixel response on OLED, but you get crazy clear motion as well. At that level of BFI, LCD tech gets obliterated, and OLED matches CRT for motion. It's kind of crazy actually.
 
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Don't get me wrong. The G7 looks like a fantastic monitor for gaming. In fact, if I hadn't already splurged for an LG CX 55, I would heavily consider it (except for that curve... ew).

Also, the strength of OLED's pixel response is also sort of a weakness; at low frame rates, the picture refreshes so fast that it can feel jarring if you're not used to it. It feels like a slide show of sorts. This is one area where LCD tech can feel more natural since it doesn't have that instant pixel change.


EDIT: as a weird twist, LG's OLED TVs actually have Black-Frame Insertion (BFI). The CX even has BFI @ 120hz. So not only do you get near instant pixel response on OLED, but you get crazy clear motion as well. At that level of BFI, LCD tech gets obliterated, and OLED matches CRT for motion. It's kind of crazy actually.

Sony's PVM and BVM OLED monitors actually did a rolling scan to simulate CRT phosphor decay. I think that moving forward, that's how OLED's should be programmed. I know it kind of goes against the very nature of instant response time (because you'd be purposefully adding a hint of ghosting) but it would make it more natural-looking.

And before anyone calls me out on my blasphemy, consider that most high-end digital display and audio technology all are shooting for the same goal - analog emulation. JVC D-ILA projectors are good examples of this. As are audio amplifiers with solid-state and tube output. My two cents.

But yeah, if Samsung fixes this with a firmware update then they'd have one hell of a monitor on their hands.
 

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I am disgusted that this is available only in curved, and a hideous 1000 R at that. I don't care how many billions Samsung has at their disposal - whatever research is telling them the market craves 1000 R curved is wrong. Samsung is voluntarily supressing demand for this monitor by choosing this curve.

Serious question: is there any 27-inch 144hz+ flat panel VA monitor? But even if there was, looking at the response times of the G7 I wouldn't want it. They need a flat panel version of this.
 

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I am disgusted that this is available only in curved, and a hideous 1000 R at that. I don't care how many billions Samsung has at their disposal - whatever research is telling them the market craves 1000 R curved is wrong. Samsung is voluntarily supressing demand for this monitor by choosing this curve.

Serious question: is there any 27-inch 144hz+ flat panel VA monitor? But even if there was, looking at the response times of the G7 I wouldn't want it. They need a flat panel version of this.

Samsung actually makes flat 27 inch VAs that are high refresh. Not ULMB though.
 

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Samsung actually makes flat 27 inch VAs that are high refresh. Not ULMB though.

Hmm, I found the SR75 but it doesn't look terrific. I hope they bring this new Odyssey VA to to flat panel. Though the Odyssey VA has really bad contrast for a VA panel, it's still better contrast than IPS while having just better response times than any VA so it seems like the one to get once it is flat panel.
 
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Nice video, but I wish he showed more games. All those charts don't mean much to me.

The problem with that is camera's can't fully capture HDR well and then the fact that are you viewing the footage on an entirely different monitor. There isn't really a good way to evaluate HDR performance other than physically seeing it on the monitor in person.
 

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True, but if he showed side by side with the more expensive monitors you should be able to see a difference, right?
 

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True, but if he showed side by side with the more expensive monitors you should be able to see a difference, right?

Its HDR on Windows, who cares, is it only emulating the real HDR.

Care for HDR on TV's with their custom made processors and movies that are made for it.
 

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I am disgusted that this is available only in curved, and a hideous 1000 R at that. I don't care how many billions Samsung has at their disposal - whatever research is telling them the market craves 1000 R curved is wrong. Samsung is voluntarily supressing demand for this monitor by choosing this curve.

Serious question: is there any 27-inch 144hz+ flat panel VA monitor? But even if there was, looking at the response times of the G7 I wouldn't want it. They need a flat panel version of this.

looking at the 32 inch G7 straight on, it is not bad at all, This is my first curved gaming screen, i really thought I was gonna hate it, I rly like this monitor, it feels like you gaming on a CRT with deep blacks, laser like colors, and perfect motion clarity, brings back memories.
 

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True, but if he showed side by side with the more expensive monitors you should be able to see a difference, right?
This should be possible. Both would look like ass with the camera set to capture their brightness overlaps, but the reviewer could try techniques like filming while changing the exposure or varying background lighting to at least reveal some of the differences.
 

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I've had 4 "HDR" displays so far, 2 Samsung TVs (HDR10 before the certification) and 2 monitors with HDR 400.

Honestly, I know these aren't the best samples, but HDR does do something, even if it is hard to tell with these cheaper displays.

It's not mind-blowing, and I'm sure those expensive displays are better, but it makes a difference.
 

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I've had 4 "HDR" displays so far, 2 Samsung TVs (HDR10 before the certification) and 2 monitors with HDR 400.

Honestly, I know these aren't the best samples, but HDR does do something, even if it is hard to tell with these cheaper displays.

It's not mind-blowing, and I'm sure those expensive displays are better, but it makes a difference.

I just wish they would stick to one standard and be done with it. None of this HDR-400, HDR-600, HDR-1000 bs. Either it fully supports it or it doesn't. Most technologies aren't truly capable of delivering the standard without cheating (backlight modulation) so why bother anyways? Displays look their most natural when they're not pumping a light source. CRT projectors, for example, can do full black. Very much like OLED but without a pixel structure (and not as sharp - the best CRT projectors top out at 1080p). The contrast and picture is sublime. Like watching film. If we had *that* level of visuals in modern displays then I would be all for it.

At least with SDR you have a set standard that most, if not all, displays can adhere to.
 

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At least with SDR you have a set standard that most, if not all, displays can adhere to.
The whole point of having the HDR-x00 standard is to ensure that all of the various hacky HDR implementatoins (read: that's all of them, including OLED) have a standard to conform to in the first place. It's also as much of a signal handling standard as it is an output standard.
 

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I've had 4 "HDR" displays so far, 2 Samsung TVs (HDR10 before the certification) and 2 monitors with HDR 400.

Honestly, I know these aren't the best samples, but HDR does do something, even if it is hard to tell with these cheaper displays.

It's not mind-blowing, and I'm sure those expensive displays are better, but it makes a difference.

On my HDR400 monitor, the only thing it does is make the image look much worst. It really shows when you have a bright highlight that's caught in the same local dimming zone as a shadow or dark area. My monitor has 16 local dimming columns so let's say there's the sun at the top through an opening and I'm inside a cave so the bottom area of my screen is suppose to be dark. On a PROPER HDR monitor, the sun will maintain its brightness while the cave retains it's dark detail. But on my HDR400 monitor, what happens is that the monitor is trying to show the brightness of the sun so it will crank up the brightness of that one dimming zone and then the dark area of the cave gets caught in that same dimming zone that's now being brightened to the max so it ends up blowing the black levels sky high to the point where it's not even black or grey anymore, but freaking SILVER. Not the mention the zones are incredibly sluggish and leave behind brightening and dimming trails as they go. Of course this is only one sample of an HDR400 monitor so I really shouldn't say that it's representative of all of them, but this is my experience with HDR400. It's better to just leave it off in my case.
 

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I'm glad I gave Doom Eternal a chance. It started off slow, and the controller options needed tweaking, but it really was an amazing game.
 

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I'm glad I gave Doom Eternal a chance. It started off slow, and the controller options needed tweaking, but it really was an amazing game.
Same.

It's very different from Doom 2016. However, if you get used to the controls and gameplay mechanics, it's a ton of fun. Just know that there's a much steeper learning curve than Doom 2016.
 

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Bought one, used for 3 days, and just returned it.

Forgive my uneducated description, but this was my main issue with it (surprised this hasn't been pointed out in any of the reviews I've watched):

At the center of the monitor, at the very center of the curve, there is a subtle but noticeable 3-inch wide'ish rectangular area that appears differently than the rest of the panel. I don't think this is a defect, but moreso something that is just inherent to this monitor. This is MORE noticeable when the monitor is off, but can definitely be distinguished even when the monitor is on. It's not that the area within the rectangle appears all that differently than the rest of the panel, but the borders that form the actual rectangle itself are definitely noticeable (kind of one of those things that isn't obvious at first glance, but once you see it, you can't really unsee it).

Attached a rudimentary MS Paint picture to explain what I mean. Unfortunately, I forgot to take any pictures of it before returning to BestBuy today, but I'm sure anyone with one will be able to see and capture it, given the right lighting/angle.
 

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Bought one, used for 3 days, and just returned it.

Forgive my uneducated description, but this was my main issue with it (surprised this hasn't been pointed out in any of the reviews I've watched):

At the center of the monitor, at the very center of the curve, there is a subtle but noticeable 3-inch wide'ish rectangular area that appears differently than the rest of the panel. I don't think this is a defect, but moreso something that is just inherent to this monitor. This is MORE noticeable when the monitor is off, but can definitely be distinguished even when the monitor is on. It's not that the area within the rectangle appears all that differently than the rest of the panel, but the borders that form the actual rectangle itself are definitely noticeable (kind of one of those things that isn't obvious at first glance, but once you see it, you can't really unsee it).

Attached a rudimentary MS Paint picture to explain what I mean. Unfortunately, I forgot to take any pictures of it before returning to BestBuy today, but I'm sure anyone with one will be able to see and capture it, given the right lighting/angle.

You could of taken the picture instead. That is a defect, mine doesn't have it at all, and I wouldn't be spreading the misinformation how this is inherited into the display. You are not the only one with the monitor, you could of asked around.
 
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you could of taken the picture instead. That is a defect, mine doesn't have that and I wouldn't be spreading that misinformation how this is inherited into the display.

What the hell kind of smart ass answer is this? It says in the post - he/she forgot to take the picture.

Looks like you edited your original post and added the misinformation bits...

Spreading misinformation? Do you own stock in Samsung or something? Anyone who knows a thing or two about LCD monitors knows that the panel lottery is a thing and that things like this happen. Since none of the reviews mention this artifact, I assumed it was just this particular monitor. As most other rational people would conclude. I would turn the question on you. Why are you hellbent on defending this monitor at every turn? It's just a screen.
 

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Bought one, used for 3 days, and just returned it.

Forgive my uneducated description, but this was my main issue with it (surprised this hasn't been pointed out in any of the reviews I've watched):

At the center of the monitor, at the very center of the curve, there is a subtle but noticeable 3-inch wide'ish rectangular area that appears differently than the rest of the panel. I don't think this is a defect, but moreso something that is just inherent to this monitor. This is MORE noticeable when the monitor is off, but can definitely be distinguished even when the monitor is on. It's not that the area within the rectangle appears all that differently than the rest of the panel, but the borders that form the actual rectangle itself are definitely noticeable (kind of one of those things that isn't obvious at first glance, but once you see it, you can't really unsee it).

Attached a rudimentary MS Paint picture to explain what I mean. Unfortunately, I forgot to take any pictures of it before returning to BestBuy today, but I'm sure anyone with one will be able to see and capture it, given the right lighting/angle.
That is weird did you notice it when you fired up a game?
 
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That is a defect, mine doesn't have it at all, and I wouldn't be spreading the misinformation how this is inherited into the display. You are not the only one with the monitor, you could of asked around.
The only misinformation here is from your white knighting and false claims of slander towards another forum member. This is [H] - we ABSOLUTELY WANT to read a person's personal experience and thoughts regarding a product, whether it be positive or negative. There was nothing even remotely disingenuous about Kamber's post. Kamber even explicitly stated they used it for 3 days, which is a more than acceptable grace period before bailing on a product. In no way did Kamber imply that their unit represented every sample out in the wild. It's quite common knowledge that every product has its fair share of lemons.

Take your shitposting and condescending attitude back to Reddit or wherever you hail from.
 
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