Asus TUF thermals look pretty good:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_rtx_3080_tuf_gaming_review,8.html
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_rtx_3080_tuf_gaming_review,8.html
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RTX 3xxx performance speculation
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I'm sorry but I don't understand this article with SLI support on the 3000 series:
https://www.techpowerup.com/272278/...whql-released-ampere-support-sli-finally-dead
I was planning on getting 2x SLI RTX 3090's since I have about 19 games in my Steam library (DX11 titles) that I know for a fact support SLI. I feel I'll need 2 GPU's to reach that 4K 120FPS (minimum) magic #.
Did Nvidia just kill off all DX11 and below SLI for the 3000 series? And only support the few DX12 games that game developers have optimized for multi-GPU solutions? Or am I reading this wrong?
https://www.techpowerup.com/272278/...whql-released-ampere-support-sli-finally-dead
I was planning on getting 2x SLI RTX 3090's since I have about 19 games in my Steam library (DX11 titles) that I know for a fact support SLI. I feel I'll need 2 GPU's to reach that 4K 120FPS (minimum) magic #.
Did Nvidia just kill off all DX11 and below SLI for the 3000 series? And only support the few DX12 games that game developers have optimized for multi-GPU solutions? Or am I reading this wrong?
Pretty sure that reads as any new SLI profiles. Old ones are still there, but no new DX11 game will be getting one after they stop in 2021.
Also, nvidia has nothing to do with mGPU (either explicit or implicit modes) in DX12. It's 100% on the game developers to turn it on (which most do not, unfortunately).
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I haven't had Nvidia driver issues on the consumer side or the enterprise side. You sound mad.
Yeah I knew there would be no new SLI support for any new games. I guess I'm just concerned if I buy a 2nd RTX 3090 for my 19 DX11 SLI games, then find out SLI just straight up doesn't work at all due to Nvidia's choice on the 3000 series. I just simply want to know if I'll still have SLI support for my various DX11 SLI games, or if I would only get that sticking with 2000 series GPU's and below now.
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What do you mean by AIB?
The way I see it is that I am putting a water block on whatever I get one way or another, so cooling will be the same.
Based on that Is rather have better silicon than worse silicon and if true that Nvidia keeps the best for themselves (I have no confirmation here) FE is the way to go.
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AIB = Add In Board [Partners]
They don't have to adhere to the recommended power targets, etc., therefore are perceived to achieve a higher ceiling for overclocking.
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I've never had a driver issue on either Nvidia or AMD with single GPU's.
With Crossfire/SLI both companies drivers were unstable trash.
Actually, I take that back. Nvidia really screwed up the first few drivers for my Pascal Titan X after they moved to WDDM 2.1. the first driver under WDDM 2.1 (372.54) started giving me Code 43 errors on boot as if the GPU was dying, which persisted for a good 6 months before several driver updates later, they finally fixed it.
So, I guess the only driver issues I have ever had in single GPU have been with Nvidia.
Granted, it's been a while since I used an AMD GPU. Last one wasy 7970 in like 2011 - 2012 some time.
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Im kind of curious. Did anyone successfully get a card from nvidia.com? I think it would be hard to find someone as there are so many reports that their site went from coming soon to out of stock in a matter of actual seconds. One guy picked their website code apart and said that their site isnt even setup to sell the cards.
Im not someone who tried to get one and am sour because of not getting one, I woke up well after 9AMEST today. However this whole stock debacle and the way this launch has gone is in all honesty super shady.
Im not someone who tried to get one and am sour because of not getting one, I woke up well after 9AMEST today. However this whole stock debacle and the way this launch has gone is in all honesty super shady.
No normal people, it seems like they all went to a pay to use bot network called BounceAlerts. People on twitter were posting multiple orders.
No one here got one directly from Nvidia AFAIK and it literally went down like this - https://hardforum.com/threads/what-...e-for-thursday.2001372/page-8#post-1044729050
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Ahaha my placed and paid order when there were 5 cards in stock just got placed in a queue. I'm not getting my card.
Gonna contact a guy with MSI 2080 Ti Trio X here for a bit under €600 and buy that. I'll sell that if Big Navi turns out to be great and we see some nice refreshes. I can't stand this fucking integrated GPU anymore.
Gonna contact a guy with MSI 2080 Ti Trio X here for a bit under €600 and buy that. I'll sell that if Big Navi turns out to be great and we see some nice refreshes. I can't stand this fucking integrated GPU anymore.
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How did you find out, if you don't mind me asking? Because I ordered from Proshop (in Denmark) and while they have my order in, I'm pretty sure they don't have one in stock for me!
This article better explains the new SLI restrictions vs the Techpowerup article:
https://videocardz.com/press-release/nvidia-sli-support-transitioning-to-native-game-integrations
Key points:
Existing SLI driver profiles will continue to be tested and maintained for SLI-ready RTX 20 Series and earlier GPUs.
For GeForce RTX 3090 and future SLI-capable GPUs, SLI will only be supported when implemented natively within the game.
AKA, if I buy 2x SLI RTX 3090's, I can kiss the SLI support on my 19 DX11 SLI supported games in my Steam library goodbye on using both GPU's. Therefore, I'm only getting 1 RTX 3090 and downsizing my system to something smaller such as ITX or MATX.
https://videocardz.com/press-release/nvidia-sli-support-transitioning-to-native-game-integrations
Key points:
Existing SLI driver profiles will continue to be tested and maintained for SLI-ready RTX 20 Series and earlier GPUs.
For GeForce RTX 3090 and future SLI-capable GPUs, SLI will only be supported when implemented natively within the game.
AKA, if I buy 2x SLI RTX 3090's, I can kiss the SLI support on my 19 DX11 SLI supported games in my Steam library goodbye on using both GPU's. Therefore, I'm only getting 1 RTX 3090 and downsizing my system to something smaller such as ITX or MATX.
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Almost makes you wonder why they didnt just kill it altogether.
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They did.
Its mGPU only moving forward.
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Probably better for everyone putting the onus on the game devs to implement it through DX12 or not. Not sure how difficult this is to do in DX12 but at least there will be no more finger pointing.
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I mean why support it at all. Why even put a bridge connector on it?
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Latency and transfer rate through the PCIE bus isnt enough for these cards.
I can see why NVidia dont want to shoulder the blame for SLI games not working, they had to fix most of the crappy code themselves with driver exceptions or getting devs to correct their code. It must have been a real time and manpower killer for that team.
Now its out of their hands and down to developers to add support.
But I agree with you, taking it this far down the unsupported route removes any value for developers to themselves support mGPU.
It should have at least been on the 3080 upward.
It feels like a dead end.
Perhaps this is where AMD can get a leg up.
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It's awful for developers, which is why it's as rare as hen's teeth.
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I've sworn off SLI and XFIAH more times than I care to admit and am still running SLI.
Guess we'll have to wait and see if it becomes prolific in future DX12 games.
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Candidly: I'll eat my hat if it becomes something supported beyond a tiny handful of titles. It truly is a giant pain to implement, and for very few paying customers. I just don't see studios doing that when they already cut every corner possible, and a few that weren't.
Wouldn't hold my breath honestly which is why I'm downgrading to ITX or MATX system now. Nvidia just upped the "SLI privilege" to people willing to spend $3,070+ on GPU's only which just further alienated that niche market even more. DX12 has been out for what? 4 years now? and this is all the multi-GPU DX12 games we got to show for it:
What DirectX 12 games support SLI natively within the game?
DirectX 12 titles include Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Civilization VI, Sniper Elite 4, Gears of War 4, Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation, Strange Brigade, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Zombie Army 4: Dead War, Hitman, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Battlefield 1, and Halo Wars 2.
What Vulkan games support SLI natively within the game?
Vulkan titles include Red Dead Redemption 2, Quake 2 RTX, Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation, Strange Brigade, and Zombie Army 4: Dead War
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^^ Oh I get it. Only reason I'm still on SLI is it's the only way to get decent gaming across 3x 32" monitors.
The 3xxx release just made a single faster card a viable option again.
The 3xxx release just made a single faster card a viable option again.
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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc.../5/398186/rtx-3080-nvidia-store-availability/
Statement from NVIDIA regarding availability.
Statement from NVIDIA regarding availability.
Boilerplate drivel since they got their money xD
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The most funniest thing to me about all of this, is Kyle and MLID were spot on about availability and what marketing bullshit Nvidia was going to do.
At least some of us weren't shocked by this.
At least some of us weren't shocked by this.
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I can't remember the exact words what it said, but it went from being delivered to me on 21-24/9 to it being delayed or something with no confirmed date.
So I purchased a second hand 2080Ti Gaming X Trio for €600. Figured I'll sell it for €500-550 (currently no 2080 Ti sells for below €600) and eat the €50-100 cost in a month or two if something interesting shows up. I was spending €100 more on the 3080 I had on preorder anyway.
Perhaps rumors of 3080Ti show up.
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Everyone who sold their 2080tis and 2080s in the hopes of snagging a 3080 were really stupid... lol. Like really... you needed that 160fps instead of the 120fps you were getting in your current favorite game? Which RTX title can you not wait to play that you needed to sell your 2080ti immediately at a loss? People are really funny sometimes. I can't believe people sold their 2080tis and 2080 cards at such a loss... the 2080ti is still an insanely powerful card and have no problem running any game right now and any in the foreseeable future... not to mention the fact that should you wait until say March or something when 3080 stock will be plentiful you'll still likely be able to sell it for around $500 or whatever they sold it for recently.
And also all the people who have GPU-less rigs right now are going to be buying other used GPUs and previous-gen ones to pass the time until stock is plentiful.
And also all the people who have GPU-less rigs right now are going to be buying other used GPUs and previous-gen ones to pass the time until stock is plentiful.
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Selling your current GPU before you have the new GPU in hand and verified to be working.....
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Woohoo, just preordered through Ebuyer, they are working at last.
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So are we officially calling this a paper launch yet?
I would, but I don't have hard numbers to back that up.
If/when AMD has a launch like this, I know there will be a few forum members that would be calling it a paper launch hours ago.
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Agreed. This is why I didn't panic sell my 2080Ti before or after the Ampere announcement even though people were saying it would be a smart move. If I did I would be using a GTX 680 right now on a 4K monitor.
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I quickly got over this mornings ****fest that was the pretty much a translucent paper launch.
Getting back to the numbers, it looks like the AIB cards that are out now seem to overclock for ****. Cards are heavily throttled and max average overlock depends on temps.
It looks like the only real discernible difference are the temps. EVGA and Zotac seem to have terrible temps, with MSI near the middle, and Gigabyte and ASUS averaging in the mid 60s at full load. All the AIBs seem to be doing better than the FE cooler.
At this point, I'm willing to take the dirt cheapest 3080 and throw a block on it as it seems max average clocks are solely dependent on temperatures.
Getting back to the numbers, it looks like the AIB cards that are out now seem to overclock for ****. Cards are heavily throttled and max average overlock depends on temps.
It looks like the only real discernible difference are the temps. EVGA and Zotac seem to have terrible temps, with MSI near the middle, and Gigabyte and ASUS averaging in the mid 60s at full load. All the AIBs seem to be doing better than the FE cooler.
At this point, I'm willing to take the dirt cheapest 3080 and throw a block on it as it seems max average clocks are solely dependent on temperatures.
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Paper launch with a incoming price increase just in time for when they will actually have availability of these cards.
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I know friends who did this...but they all similarly claim they sold it at a high price to a "sucker". I wish I knew this "sucker"!
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I sold my 2080ti with ekwb to someone off craigslist for 1100 because it is 'exactly what they were looking for' in terms of gpu and waterblock. Didn't even try to haggle on the price. This was on August 10th. At least he is enjoying my card, while I am stuck using my 980ti, haha.