Red Dead Redemption 2

Denpepe said:
Not so sure about that, i bought my copy of GTAV from GMG and got a Rockstar key.
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Go figure. Not too shocking I guess, though. I remember not being able to find any discounted Borderlands keys for Epic.
 
odditory said:
^ There isn't any mystery to it - buying it through EGS will just launch the R* launcher, same as what will happen on Steam. All roads lead to the R* launcher, only exception will be Stadia. Epic's desperation in giving Take Two a check to keep it off Steam for a month isn't going to translate for them. Tim just likes lighting money on fire.

As for Vulkan that'd be great if it supports it.
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Do you have any evidence of this? Perhaps even EGS pre-order /pre-loads that open the Rockstar Launcher or something? Not that it couldn't be true/logical (if not a bit disappointing), but seeing as that GTAV on Steam does NOT require Rockstar Launcher last I checked, I'd like to see this confirmed.

Domingo said:
The only motivating factor I could see for buying it elsewhere would be discounted key re-sellers like Cdkeys and such. You're more likely to see a discounted key for Epic's store than Rockstar's.
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When it comes to 3rd party stores, it seems NOBODY has good discounts (assuming we're staying to the kind of officially-sanctioned 3rd parties like Humble, GMG and the like. I have no idea about grey markets or out of regions outside of a small amount of semi-legit ones like CDKEYS ). Since Epic Games Store's launch, I've noticed their titles -especially their " exclusives" have lesser or not viable discounts on 3rd party sellers compared to Steam (and even other platforms like UPlay).

Depending where you go, they either have Rockstar keys or Epic keys. Humble Store for instance has Epic keys, while GMG has Rockstar keys . Epic keys seem to have few if any discounts, not even on Epic itself. As I said Humble Store usually grants 20% (stacking on top of any game discounts itself) to Monthly subscribers and that doesn't apply to certain titles if publishers/platform holders forbid it. Even the Rockstar direct keys on GMG are discounted at most 5%, though there's an 8% discount for GMG mailing list members. This seems to be the same across every store listed on "isthereanydeal" ! Even CDKEYS which is "grey-ish, but usually legit" has the Ultimate edition for $85 , where Rockstar's own store is selling it for $80! Consider that a major new release debuting on Steam can often be found at at LEAST 20% off on many 3rd party sites, and sometimes more than that even when pre-ordering

Overall its kind of disappointing - these proprietary launchers and the increasing publisher lockdown means that PC gaming gets more "consolized" . Going to a place like Humble or GMG that sell console digital keys alongside PC and its clear, most console games have pitiful discounts by comparison and I hate seeing this trend come to PC because of fiefdoms created by incompatible launchers and other bad practices (ie 3rd party exclusivity by contract).

If anyone can find a legit site selling Rockstar direct keys of the Ultimate edition for < $80, with all pre-order bonuses and extras intact, I'd be interested to see.
 
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RanceJustice said:
but seeing as that GTAV on Steam does NOT require Rockstar Launcher last I checked, I'd like to see this confirmed.
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I'm afraid I have some bad news for you then. Because it does require it. RDR2 on EGS is nothing more than a glorified referral link to Rockstar's launcher. As to your question about playing it on Linux, remember that Epic's cringey CEO has continually mocked Linux and gaming on Linux.

No logical reason to buy the game anywhere but from R* at launch, or A) you'll be launching a launcher, and B) R* is discounting the Special and Ultimate editions by $20 on their store.

Its just the way things have been going - Ubisoft games on Steam or EGS launch UPlay; new EA games sold on Steam will launch Origin, R* games sold on Steam or EGS will launch R* store. Enjoy.
 
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technically 2k needs 2000 pixels, but apparently 1920 x 1080 is close enough and is often referred to as 2k.
 
odditory said:
I'm afraid I have some bad news for you then. Because it does require it. RDR2 on EGS is nothing more than a glorified referral link to Rockstar's launcher.

No logical reason to buy the game anywhere but from R* at launch, or A) you'll be launching a launcher, and B) R* is discounting the Special and Ultimate editions by $20 on their store.

Its just the way things have been going - Ubisoft games on Steam or EGS launch UPlay; new EA games sold on Steam will launch Origin, R* games sold on Steam or EGS will launch R* store. Enjoy.
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All right, thanks for the confirmation. I assume then it also requires an actual Rockstar Social Club account too?

Shouldn't this make a lot of people angry how Rockstar has priced this? Steam for how they've been treated and being forced to wait, but also all the 3rd party sellers of Rockstar/EGS keys, and especially EGS themselves who likely paid all that tencent+fortnite money - as I said, Rockstar has outmoded buying from nearly anywhere else but their own store! Nobody else is allowed to have serious discounts, has the same pre-order benefits etc... so in every case you're getting less, for more, than buying from Rockstar Store itself (even compared to buying a Rockstar key from a 3rd party store!). I thought maybe there'd be some justification in this for those who want to support a Steam, or even EGS that you wouldn't need to "launch the same old launcher, requiring the same 3rd party account" . If that's not the case though, then there is no practical reason to do so and I'd think everyone - Steam, EGS,and 3rd party keysellers would be rather frustrated to say the least.
 
RanceJustice said:
All right, thanks for the confirmation. I assume then it also requires an actual Rockstar Social Club account too?

Shouldn't this make a lot of people angry how Rockstar has priced this? Steam for how they've been treated and being forced to wait, but also all the 3rd party sellers of Rockstar/EGS keys, and especially EGS themselves who likely paid all that tencent+fortnite money - as I said, Rockstar has outmoded buying from nearly anywhere else but their own store! Nobody else is allowed to have serious discounts, has the same pre-order benefits etc... so in every case you're getting less, for more, than buying from Rockstar Store itself (even compared to buying a Rockstar key from a 3rd party store!). I thought maybe there'd be some justification in this for those who want to support a Steam, or even EGS that you wouldn't need to "launch the same old launcher, requiring the same 3rd party account" . If that's not the case though, then there is no practical reason to do so and I'd think everyone - Steam, EGS,and 3rd party keysellers would be rather frustrated to say the least.
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Some people are just apathetic and don't care where they buy a game, nor pay attention to industry movements. Some people follow industry movements, and get irritated by the creeping erosion of choice in where to buy, but have developed somewhat of a tolerance for first parties selling their own games on their own launcher - like "well at least its not as bad as Epic, who is bribing publishers to remove third party games from Steam".

So factoring all that, plus the general goodwill toward R* games (GTA V is the biggest selling entertainment product in history) and its unsurprising to not see a lot of outrage. Also, horses.
 
Yo Rockstar got some fat pipes what in the fuck

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odditory said:
Some people are just apathetic and don't care where they buy a game, nor pay attention to industry movements. Some people follow industry movements, and get irritated by the creeping erosion of choice in where to buy, but have developed somewhat of a tolerance for first parties selling their own games on their own launcher - like "well at least its not as bad as Epic, who is bribing publishers to remove third party games from Steam".

So factoring all that, plus the general goodwill toward R* games (GTA V is the biggest selling entertainment product in history) and its unsurprising to not see a lot of outrage. Also, horses.
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True, but I'd think the stores themselves would be upset with the current situation, not just individuals. This is making a deal to help sell someone's product and then being restricted and undercut to the point you're essentially just giving them free advertising and/or hoping for people who don't care/comparison shop. Selling a digital product. On the Internet.

As far as individual players go, you're right more or less - though 1st party exclusivity on their own launcher isnt "as bad" as so many other things in the industry, its not "good" either. 3rd party exclusives are beyond the pale , but we should be trying to back up away from the "everyone has their own launcher" nonsense even for 1st parties.

However, it is another "step in the wrong direction" for Rockstar to essentially handicap 3rd party keysellers for their particular launcher/key ; even with UPlay I could often find a wide variety of discounted keys pre-launch from legit keysellers, sometimes up to 30% off (Assassin's Creed Odyssey, FarCry New Dawn etc). I'm also not sure how people feel about Rockstar from a business perspective, but one reason GTAV sold so well is because of, exploitative monetization mechanics (including an actual bloody casino at one point) of GTA Online. Nobody doubts their single player experiences are enjoyable of course, but it just seems things in terms of openness and customer agency/value gets worse and worse.
 
RanceJustice said:
True, but I'd think the stores themselves would be upset with the current situation, not just individuals. This is making a deal to help sell someone's product and then being restricted and undercut to the point you're essentially just giving them free advertising and/or hoping for people who don't care/comparison shop. Selling a digital product. On the Internet.

As far as individual players go, you're right more or less - though 1st party exclusivity on their own launcher isnt "as bad" as so many other things in the industry, its not "good" either. 3rd party exclusives are beyond the pale , but we should be trying to back up away from the "everyone has their own launcher" nonsense even for 1st parties.

However, it is another "step in the wrong direction" for Rockstar to essentially handicap 3rd party keysellers for their particular launcher/key ; even with UPlay I could often find a wide variety of discounted keys pre-launch from legit keysellers, sometimes up to 30% off (Assassin's Creed Odyssey, FarCry New Dawn etc). I'm also not sure how people feel about Rockstar from a business perspective, but one reason GTAV sold so well is because of, exploitative monetization mechanics (including an actual bloody casino at one point) of GTA Online. Nobody doubts their single player experiences are enjoyable of course, but it just seems things in terms of openness and customer agency/value gets worse and worse.
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All of that is astute and accurate; can't disagree with any of it.

But unfortunately it comes down to this: Do you want to stand on principle and ideals and boycott the game - and potentially be seen as a loser/outsider in the eyes of the PC gaming community for being one of the only ones not on a horse tomorrow, or do you want to join up and ride to glory with Dutch and Marston and all the gang?
 
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Guess I'm in, my copy of GTA 5 is on their launcher anyway... guess Code Vein goes on the shelf...
 
Eshelmen said:
https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2

I bet modders are VERY anxious to get to work.

Going to be awesome to see what they release in the upcoming weeks.
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Honestly, I wish Rockstar locked down the PC version more so online wasn’t a hack fest like GTA5. That or make it so the single player was a separate client/install that could be modded, while locking the multiplayer down.

GTA5 multiplayer on PC has been unplayable since day 1 due to extreme hacking.
 
Mchart said:
Honestly, I wish Rockstar locked down the PC version more so online wasn’t a hack fest like GTA5. That or make it so the single player was a separate client/install that could be modded, while locking the multiplayer down.

GTA5 multiplayer on PC has been unplayable since day 1 due to extreme hacking.
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The grind in GTAO fucking sucks, doesn't surprise me that people want to hack.
 
I know this is blasphemy, but I'm gonna wait 2-ish weeks to let them iron out the initial "kinks".

I've waited wayyyyyy too long to play this and there's no way I'm tolerating any teething shenanigans..

- Plus, I need to get off my lazy butt and swap in this Zen2 setup I've been sitting on....
 
odditory said:
All of that is astute and accurate; can't disagree with any of it.

But unfortunately it comes down to this: Do you want to stand on principle and ideals and boycott the game - and potentially be seen as a loser/outsider in the eyes of the PC gaming community for being one of the only ones not on a horse tomorrow, or do you want to join up and ride to glory with Dutch and Marston and all the gang?
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Thank you.

I would easily stand on ideals and go against the flow were the issue egregious enough in my eyes (ie I've made the Epic Store a hard pass as despite interest in some titles that have debuted there, I can't bring myself to support Epic since the opening of that platform). Putting aside the business-to-business pricing issue (as it is not as big a concern for the end user, directly), the main issue is just yet another first party title with its own launcher , a modest frustration with the direction of the industry. Would buying on Steam have a significant difference in its implementation, I'd wait in order to vote with my wallet in support of Steam. However, if it as as you say and other launchers - Epic currently and Steam in the future - are really acting as nothing more as launching the Rockstar Launcher, where your R* account is used for multiplayer and whatnot as opposed to your Steam account etc... then there's really no difference either way.

Ultimately, my internal conflict was more or less rendered moot by someone essentially gifting me the game this evening (Ultimate edition, R* Launcher key, direct from Rockstar), under the proviso that I attempt play on Linux via methods like Proton/Wine (Lutris will likely have an easy to use fix sort of "packaged" to go within the coming weeks), check out its Vulkan support, and overall see if it works at least as well as GTAV / GTA Online on Linux. I can only hope that the native Vulkan support is accurate and that there isn't any nasty anticheat garbage that doesn't play nicely with Proton/Wine (GTAV/Online by reports, seemed not to have that problem. There were workarounds required to get around some other issues, however).

While I look forward to the possibility of a parity experience on Linux, its just disappointing how often these days that some of the largest factors in the possible objection (or rarely, support) of a game are not directly game related, but instead are related to business practices surrounding it and the industry as a whole.
 
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Lol it's starting already

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-first-red-dead-redemption-2-mod-turns-arthur-into-the-joker/

"The mod changes Arthur's default face so that he's smeared with paint and ready to clown around. Red Dead Redemption 2 can get a bit dour, but this will surely cheer everyone up. You can download it on Nexus Mods.

The team behind the mod, RedDeadModders, hasn't provided installation instructions because the game isn't out yet—it's a mystery. It's not clear how RedDeadModders managed to get access to the game.

The team's also working on a Terminator mod, an undead horse and plenty of guns. Check out the lot of them here."
 
MavericK said:
The grind in GTAO fucking sucks, doesn't surprise me that people want to hack.
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GTAO is an amazing game which was totally ruined by long load/transition times.
I played it over 500 hours and at least half of that time was spent tabbed out.
 
Decrypting takes a while... About 10-15 mins on my SSD. There's also a 3 GB patch at the end.
 
If you have gig internet it'll be faster to just download again.
 
Damn, that sucks.

I guess a clean reinstall will have to do.

What's the point of the decrypting any ways?

Aren't we all validated by purchasing the damn game through our accounts?
 
I remember getting a call every month for going over my data allowance. Now I live in the UK where everyone has unlimited data and porn flows free (until they implement age verification).
 
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