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A gaming laptop has something much better than a 640M. Any midrange laptop can best these specs.
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Razer Edge Pro Gaming Tablet
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A gaming laptop has something much better than a 640M. Any midrange laptop can best these specs.
Yes, your average base model of Asus G75 will cost you around 1500-1600 bucks. That's not a whole lot more than this tablet, which boasts less modern ports, less functionality, and weaker components.
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I haven't used a Razer product since the original Boomslang ball mouse.
It definitely worked better than other ball mice at the time, but the ergonomics were atrocious. Hurt my hand to use it for any amount of time.
Hopefully their products have improved since. But back then, they were pretty much the only game in town for high DPI gaming.
Why is that? Because nobody really cares that much about mobile gaming to the point that they'd want to record their progress, like many people now do to produce videos for streaming internet content? If so, that indicates one of two things: that either mobile gaming is still far too underdeveloped to make a tablet like this a worthwhile product...or that Razer themselves believe mobile gaming is a gimmick and just want to cash in. Come to think of it, those possibilities aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, either.
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Yeah, I like the concept.
Would be fun to use it to play Civ 5 on my frequent business trips back and forth between the east and west coasts, but battery power is certainly a concern, and the ability to plug in is far from universal on planes these days, and most of the time is limited to USB port charging, which would HARDLY be sufficient for one of these.
I wonder how many watts the supplied power brick for one of these would be...
Ya, but if the Razer Edge or Razer Edge Pro has same battery life as the Vita when non-gaming, it kind of defeats the purpose of it being a tablet. It means it'd have to be tethered to the wall every couple hours.
If that's what it'll be while non-gaming. I wouldn't touch this thing. If it's what it is while gaming. I wouldn't touch this thing.
I wish my tablet had at least 2 USB ports. 3.0, 2.0, 1.0, I don't care. I just want one for the usb bluetooth adapter for my wireless speakers and 1 for usb stick. The built-in bluetooth is already being used for my bluetooth keyboard.
I'm lucky that Acer gave me a dock with built-in USB hub. Turns my one usb port into 3. When mobile, I don't need to use the adapter, since I'd just use the built-in bluetooth. I wouldn't use the keyboard during then, so my wireless speakers (which can run off four AA batteries) can use the built-in bluetooth.
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Non-gaming on that tablet is estimated to be between 4 to 6 hours. Gaming, up to 2 hours. Even those numbers, however, haven't been vetted. Some of their docks also come with battery packs that are designed to increase battery life.
Keep in mind, the Vita's battery life is between 2 to 3 hours, and I'd rather play a Windows 8 game than a Vita game.
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Yeah, Razer is quoting the Blade as getting "up to eight hours in tablet mode, two to four in PC gaming mode, and up to eight hours with extended battery."
Let's translate this from "Dev speak" to likely real world performance: 6 hours in tablet move, 1.5 to 3 hours in gaming mode, up to 6 hours with extended battery.
Not... terrible, I guess, but that's still an awful lot of money for a tablet. I'd never be able to justify that.
Let's translate this from "Dev speak" to likely real world performance: 6 hours in tablet move, 1.5 to 3 hours in gaming mode, up to 6 hours with extended battery.
Not... terrible, I guess, but that's still an awful lot of money for a tablet. I'd never be able to justify that.
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The Vita and 3DS already have done that.
my last portable console was the DS/PSP and they were decent. I didnt know the vita and 3ds were that bad.
and then they get surprised people are gaming on the ipad/android tabs.
Sad.
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It depends on the games. If you're playing DS games on a 3DS, it's closer to DS battery life. But you you're playing a Vita/3DS game, the battery life is 2 to 4 hours. The 3DS XL is a little better on battery life, around 3 to 5 hours or so.
It works for me, because I use it for my 30 minute commute to/from work.
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Depending on my mood I'll go between my Nexus 7 and my 3DS. Resident Evil Revelations is a good mobile game when I want something with a lot of progression.
I just cant complete long games on any mobile device. Tried to play gta 3 on the ipad, played for lke 45 min (the controls were terrible though), same with max payne. But even on the PSP, would take me like half a year to complete a god of war/mgs game.
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I have a bluetooth controller for my Nexus 7, but it sucks. The tablet never recognizes the analog sticks as actually being analog.
Attention everybody that plans to use an android tablet with a bluetooth controller: Just use a Sixaxis controller. It has the most support and there's software tailored to it that allows you to map touch inputs to the buttons/sticks.
I am able to play through mobile games fairly fast, but no more than 2 hours a day at most. When I'm home, I mostly just play console/PC games.
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I wonder what type of "extended battery" they will use. Standalone plugin type, or something that attaches to the device and makes it even thicker than it already is...
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Zarathustra[H];1039502569 said:
It's supposed to be a battery replacement for like, $69. I don't think it's supposed to make it any bigger, because that would cause issues with the attachments, I would imagine.
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of course there is no such thing on the ipad
I'd imagine there's some equivalent for the iPad, some standalone product designed for iOS devices.
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Hmm.. I hope - instead - that the AC adapter interface is relatively standard so that one of the many briefcase carried wired external batteries might work, like one of these.
this thing will be outdated in a year when half the games cant play on it. Thats the thing with real portable consoles, the hardware on the consoles stays the same so devs can do their work and things will work, with this you buy it and can play certain games on med/high. A year later it wont play new games on high anymore but only on med/low.
Also, your average consumer wont buy this making it not a commercial sucess. And looking at this thread, not even most pc gamers seem to be behind this. I am not particularly a "mobile" gamer so I am out from the beggining. That and $1300.
Also, your average consumer wont buy this making it not a commercial sucess. And looking at this thread, not even most pc gamers seem to be behind this. I am not particularly a "mobile" gamer so I am out from the beggining. That and $1300.
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Yeah, but then again most laptops run into some of the same issues, and those still sell fairly often.
I disagree. The rate at which tablet technology is advancing has far outpaced the advance of desktop/notebook technology. Tablets have far more vulnerability to obsolescence.
sure but laptops are used for more than just gaming in mind. I guess the same could be said with this, plug in a keyboard and its now a laptop.
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True, but this tablet specifically has laptop based parts in it. I'm not saying that it is excluded from the advancement of technology, but it's not neccesarily in the same category. It has the hardware of an upper-middle range gaming laptop (or somewhere near there), and with most Win 8 tablets still stuck on intel's integrated video, it'll have an advantage until at least the end of the year, if not longer.
Hell, Tegra 3 processors are decent (not screaming fast, but a baseline) tablet processor for Android and Windows RT and it's still relevant about a year later.
It's probably the most powerful tablet right this second, but there's no competition yet. I think that it'll be a bit of a niche market and you're not going to see a tablet coming out for a while that blows it completely out of the water, especially not with the focus on the lower end market.
Still won't buy it, though.
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I'm really pissed that no new Transformer tablets were announced from ASUS. I really wanted a new 10 inch tablet that could turn into a more or less full laptop or netbook, but they let me down those bastards.
Sorry, but no. Not even close. It has a dual-core i7 and HD4000 integrated graphics. That might be upper-middle range netbook, but certainly not a gaming laptop. Here's an upper-middle range gaming laptop. Its Ivy Bridge quad-core and Nvidia 675MX would utterly obliterate the tablet in every way...for a base price that is only about 200 bucks more than the maxed out Razer.
Now, technically, you probably would have been more correct 5 years ago or so, when the idea of a "gaming laptop" was a bit of a joke due to hardware limitations. Gaming laptops have actually become a viable market now, striking far closer to their desktop brethren in terms of power.
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I guess you missed the part where it has an Nvidia 640M graphics hip using Optimus to switch on and off?
Not as powerful as the gaming laptop you reference, but still not terrible.
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Zarathustra[H];1039503012 said:
Yeah I don't understand how people keep missing that. It's like they just glance and make assumptions, which is like 50% of this thread; assumptions...
Read the fucking specs people.
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Where the fuck did I just read that the thing had an HD4000 then? Goddammit, internet. I stand corrected.
However, even so...the laptop still remains vastly ahead of the Edge, not merely in hardware specs, but in usability. I guess, with the dock, it becomes more useful, but if you're just going to use it in the dock...what was the point of making it a tablet?
Answer: Razer wanted to market a device for under three grand.
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Where the fuck did I just read that the thing had an HD4000 then? Goddammit, internet. I stand corrected.
However, even so...the laptop still remains vastly ahead of the Edge, not merely in hardware specs, but in usability. I guess, with the dock, it becomes more useful, but if you're just going to use it in the dock...what was the point of making it a tablet?
Answer: Razer wanted to market a device for under three grand.
You're not wrong, it technically still has the HD4000, but still has a discrete video card in addition.
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Remember guys it isn't a 640M it is a 640M LE. It is a terrible gaming chip that can barely play current games at 720p (~30fps on low/medium settings). You are talking around an xbox360 level of GPU. Even if this device had 10+ hours of battery life, an actual ultrabook would be better/cheaper.
The Acer TimelineU M5-481TG-6814 14" Ultrabook or Acer TimelineU M5-581TG-6666 15.6" Ultrabook are around the equivalent specs minus the SSD.
The Acer TimelineU M5-481TG-6814 14" Ultrabook or Acer TimelineU M5-581TG-6666 15.6" Ultrabook are around the equivalent specs minus the SSD.
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Where the fuck did I just read that the thing had an HD4000 then? Goddammit, internet. I stand corrected.
However, even so...the laptop still remains vastly ahead of the Edge, not merely in hardware specs, but in usability. I guess, with the dock, it becomes more useful, but if you're just going to use it in the dock...what was the point of making it a tablet?
Answer: Razer wanted to market a device for under three grand.
Remember, I have an irrational hatred of Intel video cards. I would have taken it as an insult if they tried to insist that an HD4000 video card was a "gaming video card".
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Slow dual core, slow GPU, tiny SSD (64gb wtf), only 4gb of ram and you say the thing is priced accurately??
The 640MLE is weak as shit. A typical laptop with the 640m (the normal is faster than the LE) and a quad core is ~$750 Add an SSD and you're looking at $850-$999. So how exactly is a dual core with a slower GPU, dual core processor and a joke of an SSD priced at a grand accurately priced?
So for less money you can easily get a laptop with a faster processor, better GPU, more RAM, bigger and better screen, better battery life etc. etc. Theres literally nothing this thing offers besides a touchscreen that makes it compelling.
So yeah, instead of just saying price a gaming laptop and then making up numbers actually price one with those specs and its pretty obvious its insanely overpriced.
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Zarathustra[H];1039503012 said:
No, its the 640M LE Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig difference.
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Yeah by like only 60% of the performance of the regular 640M. Though still much better than an HD4000. But yeah, it's handicapped.
Slow dual core, slow GPU, tiny SSD (64gb wtf), only 4gb of ram and you say the thing is priced accurately??
The 640MLE is weak as shit. A typical laptop with the 640m (the normal is faster than the LE) and a quad core is ~$750 Add an SSD and you're looking at $850-$999. So how exactly is a dual core with a slower GPU, dual core processor and a joke of an SSD priced at a grand accurately priced?
So for less money you can easily get a laptop with a faster processor, better GPU, more RAM, bigger and better screen, better battery life etc. etc. Theres literally nothing this thing offers besides a touchscreen that makes it compelling.
So yeah, instead of just saying price a gaming laptop and then making up numbers actually price one with those specs and its pretty obvious its insanely overpriced.
It's a Tablet with a dedicated GPU?
Weight less than a KG but fitted with a dedicated GPU?
Portable(10 inch) but fitted with a dedicated GPU?
Is it really that Big?
GT 640M LE is 500MHz.
GT 640M is 625MHz.
That's about 25% difference in clock only.
At least not double(100%) the performance.