R9 290X2 coming

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Will be interesting to see the cooling solution indeed. Although, most likely they will bin the chips for low voltage and lower clocks a bit. That should help bring down power consumption quite a bit. Expecting it be to very expensive also. Price on the official 7990 was crazy high at release with poor availability.
 

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Will be interesting to see the cooling solution indeed. Although, most likely they will bin the chips for low voltage and lower clocks a bit. That should help bring down power consumption quite a bit. Expecting it be to very expensive also. Price on the official 7990 was crazy high at release with poor availability.



And Mining.
 

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They'll never make it out in enough volume to make to anybody. They cannot even make the 290x fast enough and now they will be paper launching something higher.

It has taken a really long time for the 265 to go from the paper launch to release and those are using old chips that they should have plenty of. AMD sucks. I can't wait till Nvidia's next round of releases let me use them for mining. The 750ti is just too expensive for the hash you get in my book but I am still tempted to buy anyway.
 

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They'll never make it out in enough volume to make to anybody. They cannot even make the 290x fast enough and now they will be paper launching something higher.

It has taken a really long time for the 265 to go from the paper launch to release and those are using old chips that they should have plenty of. AMD sucks. I can't wait till Nvidia's next round of releases let me use them for mining. The 750ti is just too expensive for the hash you get in my book but I am still tempted to buy anyway.

Wow, your not an Nvidia fanboy right?
 

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Has it been confirmed these will be full R9 290X GPUs and downclocked, or cutdown CUs and downclocked?
 

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They'll never make it out in enough volume to make to anybody. They cannot even make the 290x fast enough and now they will be paper launching something higher.

It has taken a really long time for the 265 to go from the paper launch to release and those are using old chips that they should have plenty of. AMD sucks. I can't wait till Nvidia's next round of releases let me use them for mining. The 750ti is just too expensive for the hash you get in my book but I am still tempted to buy anyway.

It seems very ironic that somebody currently mining with 20 AMD cards (with more cards ordered) is complaining that AMD can't turn out cards fast enough.

Currently mining with:
1 * 290x | 6 * 280x | 2 * 7970 | 3 * 7870 | 4 * 7850 | 4 6950
More ordered and coming soon

It's only because of miners like you that there's a shortage of AMD cards. Not to mention the fact that miners have driven up prices on any card that can crunch cryptocoin scripts.
 

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I wouldn't worry too much. Mining is already substantially less profitable with scrypt mining than it was 2-3 months ago. Look at the classifieds. Lots of dudes offloading their mining gear. On the 3 forums I frequent, this is a recurring theme: Lots of dudes getting rid of their AMD mining cards.

In fact, prices are lowering a bit on the 290/290X cards. They're not at MSRP yet, well most of them aren't. But they're improving. I think mining has hit a point to where the profitability has decreased appreciably due to difficulty. So the problem MAY be going away soon, we'll see. Now, for once, maybe AMD cards will be used for their design intent: Radeon is and always has been a brand designed for PC gaming. (and yes, I know some miners are gamers) So, perhaps people will buy it for the true intent now. SHRUG.
 

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What's the guess on pricing? Less than $1,000 maybe.
$400x2... $800 minimum? Then you gotta pay the dual-gpu tax, and the AIO watercooling won't be cheap.
 

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If I had to guess, 800-1000$. Depending on the clockspeeds. Presumably they could get full 290X clockspeeds with an AIO water loop, which would result in a pricetag closer to 1000$. Or they could lower clockspeeds a bit, which would warrant a closer to 800$ pricetag. It really does depend. The rumors i've read indicate 1000mhz which is obviously akin to the full 290X2, which is plausible with a closed loop water cooling. It should be a pretty great card for AMD fans. As far as the Titan Z goes, it's not a directly comparable card since the Titan Z doubles as a CUDA development card with significantly faster DP performance.

However.....The Titan Z sure aint the card I wanted nvidia to announce. Don't really care for the CUDA development stuff, although I can understand the cost given that fact. I hope they do release a consumer oriented GTX 790 to answer the 290X2 whenever it happens. Who knows, though.
 

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http://videocardz.com/49955/amd-teasing-radeon-r9-290x2-unusual-way



Pretty interesting. Trying to convince myself they can make a air cooler for this.

Source: videocardz

Um...not hard to cool a 290X man. Hopefully they just do a better job on the 1st party coolers, or just let there be 3rd party right out the gate. Anyway, I wonder if I should wait and see if there is a DC2 version of this coming, or go ahead and get a second DC2 290X like I was planning for around $550-$590. I am going to get a 1440p or better screen this summer so I will need to do something along those lines.

They'll never make it out in enough volume to make to anybody. They cannot even make the 290x fast enough and now they will be paper launching something higher.

It has taken a really long time for the 265 to go from the paper launch to release and those are using old chips that they should have plenty of. AMD sucks. I can't wait till Nvidia's next round of releases let me use them for mining. The 750ti is just too expensive for the hash you get in my book but I am still tempted to buy anyway.
Really? Keep the bullshit in your head and away from your keyboard.
 
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Um...not hard to cool a 290X man. Hopefully they just do a better job on the 1st party coolers, or just let there be 3rd party right out the gate.

Since it is using an AIO cooler, it clearly will not be hard to cool. However, I could see a blower type cooler having some difficulty with 2x 275W TDP GPUs in tandem with powertune; it is not an unfair comment given the situation with the 290X reference cooler.

Anyway, the alternative is to use an AIO type of deal which not everyone can use, but it's the best solution to achieve maximum performance with no noise or clockspeed compromises. Apparently this will indeed happen. 295X2 should be using an AIO water cooler from every leak i've seen. All in all it should be a great card for AMD fans I think. Assuming the leaks are on the money, that is.
 

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How quickly we forget.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6915/amd-radeon-hd-7990-review-7990-gets-official

Something like the Tri-X or PCS+ could handle two 290's, considering they already cool one around 60C-70C in pure silence.
Make it loud as hell and 95C seems feasible.

Considering the price of the card itself and the extra cost for a massive heatsink, swapping it out for a CLC of some sort makes more sense.
 
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Easy with an open air cooler ? Probably. With a blower? I dunno. (I mentioned blower type cooler in the earlier post). In general the blower is the most versatile and can work in any chassis, but can be loud depending on what it's cooling. Or you could do open air to solve that, but open air can't be used easily in mGPU and can't be used in all chassis'. Or you could use an AIO water cooler which is actually more suitable to SFF than an open air card is.

Each cooler type has drawbacks, and apparently AMD is going for the AIO route. I think it's probably the best choice given the thermal considerations of the GPU itself. And surprisingly enough, AIO water coolers (depending on rad size) actually work in SFF cases more easily than a 375W+ TDP open air card. For instance, you would be hard pressed to put a 7990 in something like a bitfenix prodigy or EVGA Hadron mITX case. 375W of heat being dumped in that small of a case can quickly become an issue. But a water cooled AIO unit? If the case has room for a 120mm fan, and both of those cases do, it is no problem. All of the heat is exhausted externally, which really is for the best. So I do think AMD made the right decision there - a blower would be (MORE THAN LIKELY) hot and loud, and the open air limits options more than AIO does.

Like I said it should be a neat card for AMD fans. I do think AIO water cooling is the best way to go for the 290x2.
 

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Since it is using an AIO cooler, it clearly will not be hard to cool. However, I could see a blower type cooler having some difficulty with 2x 275W TDP GPUs in tandem with powertune; it is not an unfair comment given the situation with the 290X reference cooler.

Anyway, the alternative is to use an AIO type of deal which not everyone can use, but it's the best solution to achieve maximum performance with no noise or clockspeed compromises. Apparently this will indeed happen. 295X2 should be using an AIO water cooler from every leak i've seen. All in all it should be a great card for AMD fans I think. Assuming the leaks are on the money, that is.

I think it would be a good move honestly, especially if they want to tout it as easily overclockable out the gate. Or just want to have the bad cooler stuff laid to rest right off the bat.

How quickly we forget.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6915/amd-radeon-hd-7990-review-7990-gets-official

Something like the Tri-X or PCS+ could handle two 290's, considering they already cool one around 60C-70C in pure silence.
Make it loud as hell and 95C seems feasible.

Considering the price of the card itself and the extra cost for a massive heatsink, swapping it out for a CLC of some sort makes more sense.
QFT. I think it would be awesome if AMD was able to include an AIO and keep the prices down like they did with the 290X that would be a great value if the card was at least 2x290 full spec (although I'll take 290X spec anyday :) )
 

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I've now been burned with Crossfire for 6970, 7970, 290/290X...and yet I'm still interested in this card. Toyz. :cool:

Ha, I probably wait for the 790, if anything. Still really trying to wait for Maxwell until doing anything else.
 

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1K and I'll consider it.

They could probably charge 1100$ and that would be fine, considering it is purported to be 2 fully enabled 290X GPUs that are water cooled.

This card, now that I think of it, would be probably the best crossfire 290X option available on the market, given the water cooling on board. I say this because crossfiring open air cards can be a pain due to heat being dumped in the case, and the reference. Well. We all know about that. Anyway, assuming the rumored 1000mhz clockspeeds are true. If so, AMD could certainly charge 1100$ and i'm sure tons of people would buy it. Should be quiet, with no throttling, with fully enabled 290X GPUs. All in all it seems like it will be a good product if all of the rumors are true.
 

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I wonder if this will fit in a Corsair 250D?

If it's an AIO cooler, chances are it will use a 120mm fan for external exhaust. If that fits on the 250D, then that's the answer. Of course this is completely speculative (in terms of what the 295X2 will use), but there aren't many cases that don't have a free 120mm exhaust area for a 120mm fan.
 

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Having a 120 with this would defintely have case compatibilty issues.
Some cases still use 80-90mm exhaust fans. Many people already have a 120 AIO on the rear exhaust.

I think it will still have the traditional blower design.
I want it because I just went ITX, CF is much smoother this time around and it performs better than Nvidia in Adobe Creative Suite (basically superior Titan Z performance for 1/3 of the cost).
 

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Would you classify the Titan Z as a "blower"?
I guess it's possible. Power consumption on the Black is only a hair less than the 290. Although I don't know how the Z compares to the Black.

AMD would have to step up their game with their stock cooling, though. If the 290 and 290x are any indicator.
 

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Why are you comparing Titan z and the 295x? 3k vs what 1.3-1.4k max. Not an even compare, a 780 ti Z at that range would make more sense
 

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I think AMD knows they HAVE to do a good job on the cooler this time around. The throttling on the 290x reference was just embarrassing. They should be trying to avoid that happening again at all costs, even if it puts the price tag 50-100 dollars more than they would like. The market will determine the prices anyway.
 

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I think AMD knows they HAVE to do a good job on the cooler this time around. The throttling on the 290x reference was just embarrassing. They should be trying to avoid that happening again at all costs, even if it puts the price tag 50-100 dollars more than they would like. The market will determine the prices anyway.

Agreed. I think the AIO unit really is for the best, as with a blower type cooler it may be doable but there would be a higher likelihood of be heat and throttle issues. Even the Titan reference cooler which is the best blower on the market has relatively high temperatures.

With the AIO cooler, AMD just doesn't have to worry about any of those variables nearly to the same extent. Heat, noise, throttling should be a complete non issue with the AIO. Whereas with a blower? Could be problematic. The last blower that AMD did with a dual GPU was the 6990. And anyone that has heard that stupid thing...white noise. I don't think AMD wants reviewers questioning the cooling solution for it - the only downside is that the AIO doesn't work in all chassis, but then again a blower has it's own share of problems. So like I said...the AIO is really the best option for them IMO. Might be able to even overclock a tad.

Now the only thing on my wishlist for nvidia to respond with a GTX 790 to up the mGPU single card competition a bit. Now I know someone's going to say "Titan Z" but that has a different market segmentation since it has additional features for CUDA development. You're basically paying for the unlocked DP there. Whereas the GTX 790 would be solely a gaming product. I have a feeling it may not happen, but I hope it does. In any case, the 295X2 should be a great card from all the rumors.
 

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Going off-topic a little bit, would be somehow possible to use an AIO cooler and the rad on the card itself?
Instead of a normal heatsink like we have now with an open-air card, it would be the rad strapped to the card with fans on it, and the waterblock/cooler underneath it on the GPU or covering the whole card? Then run the tubing along the top/bottom of the PCB.

That way it wouldn't require an extra 120mm mount in your PC, although it would probably take up 3 slots.

The G10 is already halfway there.

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yeah it's doable, assuming the heatsink part is mountable and the tubes are long enough for clear routing, but i don't think it would perform well enough to cool off the super hot gpus for hours and it probably would be a pain in the arse to install,

easier to just build a custom loop
 
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