Commander FAT
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Why don't they ban poverty?
Because that would be racist. To even ask such a question is considered racist to these schmucks.
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Why don't they ban poverty?
Selling a home made firearm will land you in Federal pound you in the ass prison.
I would presume there are already laws regulating the production of firearms,regardless of the method used to make them. The problem with 3D is that the weapons would be unregistered with no way to track them,and would make guns even easier to obtain. This ban may be difficult to enforce,but if the politicians do nothing,and some maniac with a 3D produced gun walks into mall and starts blowing people away,you know damn well the public will call for their heads.
Federal level bans would be equally pointless considering our seeming inability to control our borders. Offering $50 to every illegal crossing a the border to carry a firearm would more than satisfy any blackmarket. In order to interdict the gun trade we'd actually have to enforce our border wrt immigration. Like that's going to happen.City-level bans are pretty pointless. Hell, even state-level bans are pretty pointless when it's only a short drive from one state to the next.
There *are* laws on the books regulating firearms. Truth be told, the whole "3d printed guns" issue is overblown. It would be easier to buy an 80% lower receiver and finish milling it yourself, and you'd get a better result.I would presume there are already laws regulating the production of firearms,regardless of the method used to make them. The problem with 3D is that the weapons would be unregistered with no way to track them,and would make guns even easier to obtain. This ban may be difficult to enforce,but if the politicians do nothing,and some maniac with a 3D produced gun walks into mall and starts blowing people away,you know damn well the public will call for their heads.
Um, wrong on so many levels.You presumed incorrectly, so why even bother?
Ok, let's assume that lower gun ownership correlates to lower gun deaths. What about the overall murder rate? No correlation. Overall violent crime rate? It's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison, due to differing definitions, but in general (at least when comparing US to UK), no correlation.Well, yes. In those two places. In the majority of the world with gun control, it's been very effective. The problem is, gun control after 50+ years of selling guns to almost anyone who wanted one that can be inherited downwards a family line (if properly maintained), stolen or sold in private results in many guns on the legal and illegal markets that didn't original from a gun shop post when new gun control laws have taken effect. Gun control, would under the best of circumstances, take years to have an effect. If you look at places were gun control has been used for 50+ years, it's amazing how much better they are doing at us at preventing gun deaths.
I would presume there are already laws regulating the production of firearms,regardless of the method used to make them. The problem with 3D is that the weapons would be unregistered with no way to track them,and would make guns even easier to obtain. This ban may be difficult to enforce,but if the politicians do nothing,and some maniac with a 3D produced gun walks into mall and starts blowing people away,you know damn well the public will call for their heads.
There *are* laws on the books regulating firearms. Truth be told, the whole "3d printed guns" issue is overblown. It would be easier to buy an 80% lower receiver and finish milling it yourself, and you'd get a better result.
Um, wrong on so many levels.
Ok, let's assume that lower gun ownership correlates to lower gun deaths. What about the overall murder rate? No correlation. Overall violent crime rate? It's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison, due to differing definitions, but in general (at least when comparing US to UK), no correlation.
How would that be any different than a maniac walking into a mall with a gun made via CNC at a factory? Having a serial number registered with the government in some database doesn't prevent crime from happening. In fact, it doesn't even "track" the gun.
If I buy a "normal" gun and my state happens to require registering the serial number, the state assumes I have it. If my home gets broken into and the safe cracked open and the gun gets stolen, I report it stolen and...? It being registered to me doesn't allow them to find the thief and even if they did find the thief it doesn't allow them to find who it was re-sold to.
When was the last time you heard of vehicle registration(you know, the VIN and license plate) stopping someone from stealing a car? Or using a car and then doing something with it(mowing down crowds on a boardwalk, it's happened)? All it does is let the cops know where the car(or gun) came from AFTER the fact. It doesn't stop crime, it doesn't prevent crime.
Also, the idea of banning people from printing 3d guns in their garage is idiotic. The criminals who would use the guns for criminal purposes won't give a crap that printing the things has been banned. All it does is prevent law abiding citizens from pursuing a hobby(not like you'd use any of these things yet for serious target shooting or defensive purposes, so it really is a hobbycraft thing still). The citizens who weren't going to print a gun to go murdering people anyway.
Not necessarily. Selling home made guns privately is not a crime in itself. The feds only really care if you are making a business out of it.
Depending on the state it might be. In PA it is illegal to sell a homemade gun, but it is not illegal to make your own gun. Homemade guns cannot be transferred to other individuals and must be destroyed upon the owner's death.
Yes, by all means let's ban 3D-printed guns. Because the gangs are having such trouble procuring traditional weapons :/
Well, yes. In those two places. In the majority of the world with gun control, it's been very effective. The problem is, gun control after 50+ years of selling guns to almost anyone who wanted one that can be inherited downwards a family line (if properly maintained), stolen or sold in private results in many guns on the legal and illegal markets that didn't original from a gun shop post when new gun control laws have taken effect. Gun control, would under the best of circumstances, take years to have an effect. If you look at places were gun control has been used for 50+ years, it's amazing how much better they are doing at us at preventing gun deaths.
Name one where it has been effective, and don't say Britain/UK, as all it has done is moved gun crime to knife crime. We all saw the hilarity of Britain's "stabless knives".
Australia
Because banning guns has been soooooo effective (hi Washington DC, Chicago).
A ban on 3D printing is no big deal as you can't make a proper firearm, but it looks like they are going to try and ban CNC.
Legally you are allowed to make your own firearm provided you do not sell it. The issue is CNC, lathes, and other machine tools can't be banned because you use those to make just about everything. If an illegitimate business opens up it will essentially be unenforceable. Just like those Australians who were making submachine guns that were caught some months back.
I don't want gun bans any more than the next guy but I get tired of listening to people singling out Chicago and other major city knowing that borders are open to all.