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Regarding the Acer that is the actual subject of the thread, man, I wish they'd just stop announcing products until they have a concrete completely nailed down release window. Preferably narrowed down to like a week.
Announcing things and then going ages without saying a word is just annoying.
The reflections argument holds no truth anymore. Look for example at the new imacs, sony tv's or a galaxy tab s... all are glossy but the reflections on these devices reduced dramatically, to the point when you can notice them only on a completely black background.
As I said before, there's no fucking reason to use anti glare coating on the monitors that meant for entertainment purposes. And it's the cheapest way to considerably increase picture quality in every single way.
Some glossy coatings are bad and probably what give people a bad opinion of them, for example super reflective glass or almost mirror coatings on some DELL etc... My experience of glossy coating is the NEC opticlear, Sony TV and Samsung TV and all of these coatings make the image quality literally about twice as good as matte and reflections are never a problem unless you are in direct sunlight or have a massive light behind you. WHY they keep releasing multimedia / gaming screens with matte coatings I have no idea.
If I had to guess, it's probably because those premium glossy coatings cost a lot more.
The reflections argument holds no truth anymore.
I look at a new thunderbolt display every day at work and it's completely horrible even when I have the blinds shut tight. my glossy screened IPS reflects with a 60 watt cfl in the ceiling in my home office and still with that off and a tiny LED desk lamp slightly behind to the right of it.The reflections argument holds no truth anymore. Look for example at the new imacs, sony tv's or a galaxy tab s... all are glossy but the reflections on these devices reduced dramatically, to the point when you can notice them only on a completely black background.
As I said before, there's no fucking reason to use anti glare coating on the monitors that meant for entertainment purposes. And it's the cheapest way to considerably increase picture quality in every single way.
I don't think that's a safe assumption.Most gamers play in a dark or dim room I have no idea why they keep releasing matte screens... TV's all have glossy screens and it makes the blacks and colors much better than no glossy, I can understand for office screens but for gaming screens it is annoying to be honest because I want a glossy screen but there aren't any... There is literally ONE IPS screen with a glossy coating out currently (dell s2415h) and even that has an AG coating under the glossy coating!!!! I think the manufacturers use matte because it is easy and if you have no choice other than matte then you can either buy it or not buy a monitor which is what I have done for 7 years but I just want a new screen so I have no choice and will be forced to swap my nice opticlear coating for a matte coating
I don't think that's a safe assumption.
Disregard what you read here and consider how many people in your immediate circle of friends actually game and use their computer in a completely dark room. I've been gaming for over 30 years and I'm the only one that I know of in my immediate circle of friends. Maybe one other person but not exclusively. LAN parties aren't conducted in blackness and neither are tournaments--at least I've never seen them done in complete darkness.
So I think it's more accurate that gamers buying swifts or predators are niche and, of them, gamers using those monitors in an absolutely 100% light controlled or dark room is an even smaller slice of the buying public.
I look at a new thunderbolt display every day at work and it's completely horrible even when I have the blinds shut tight. my glossy screened IPS reflects with a 60 watt cfl in the ceiling in my home office and still with that off and a tiny LED desk lamp slightly behind to the right of it.
The Thunderbolt and Cinema Display have edge-to-edge glass placed (with a large gap) over top of a glossy panel. Left edge-to-edge glass vs glossy right
The advantage I see in AG is being able to play in a well-lit environment and precisely not having to play in the dark on a low-contrast monitor. At least with the lights cranked and the brightness turned up the screen still looks fairly black. Hit a loading screen in the dark on a TN or IPS, and game over.
You don't have to though, with a good one you can play in any amount of lighting other than direct sunlight or a massive light directly behind you, unless you have a glass fronted screen or a bad glossy coating... With the good glossy like on sony TV's the blacks look as black as a plasma with some light in the room. Why they don't use those on gaming monitors I don't know as every good LCD TV has a glossy coating.
The advantage I see in AG is being able to play in a well-lit environment and precisely not having to play in the dark on a low-contrast monitor. At least with the lights cranked and the brightness turned up the screen still looks fairly black. Hit a loading screen in the dark on a TN or IPS, and game over.
My 50" Panasonic plasma is reflective, as well, but it's also a few years old.You don't have to though, with a good one you can play in any amount of lighting other than direct sunlight or a massive light directly behind you, unless you have a glass fronted screen or a bad glossy coating... With the good glossy like on sony TV's the blacks look as black as a plasma with some light in the room. Why they don't use those on gaming monitors I don't know as every good LCD TV has a glossy coating.
My 50" Panasonic plasma is reflective, as well, but it's also a few years old.
With a TV manufacturers have a few thousand dollars to play with. A monitor is only a few hundred so adding on an extra hundred bucks for non-reflective glass probably makes it cost prohibitive. It would have turned the swift into a thousand dollar monitor, for example.
Is this predator going to be a suitable face, though? I thought it still has some undesirable traits but they're calling it a "light" AG coating.
The Asus MG279Q is supposed to use an AHVA panel, so the coating should be the same assuming Asus did not decide to ruin it by equipping it with the same grainy coating as the PG278Q.
LCD glass coatings ≠ Plasma coating
I'm not sure how it affects black levels
Is the PDC really expensive to implement on a cheaper monitors?
@NCX: have you looked at any displays where the glass with the PDC is optically bonded to the lcd panel?
guess which is which?
Are you cherry picking a specific spot which looks different in order to argue something? Obviously certain areas will look different due to the varying screen uniformity (the Crossover suffers from obvious bleed) and coatings.
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compared to my DS270 i hate the asus AG coating
it sucks
will be returning it to amazon ,
in a few days. Great monitor for the money , however HDMI when calibrated you lose like 200 contrast ratio , when you calibrate over DVI i am getting 1000-1100 :1
plus they sent me one with dead pixels and bad backlight bleed on one corner and amazon CIS had a nerve to warn me about returns or i will be banned. I think the next few years i will be shopping at newegg or microcenter. Amazon is supposed to now be #1 for killing accounts now even though I have been with them for over 10 years.
Depending on your review on the Acer Gsync or the new ASUS 120hz panels i might even buy another korean monitor with more inputs
i dont know yet .Althogh i really want 120hz bad now since i play some FPS. I think it might be awhile before we see grade A- panels on ebay that do 120hz native without overclocking
Amazon only warns like this when you have returned way to many I know I got an email like that over a year ago. Yet I just returned a monitor and no email nothing. Some forget they like any other are not to rent.. or just buy to test...
At least there is an easy fix for black bezels. It's called hobby tape (or artist tape,stencil tape) from a craft store. It's not the same as masking tape because it is acid free and I think it is more "paper-y". You can find it from 1", 1/2", 1/8" down to 1/16" width (or mark it with a pencil and straight edge and cut it with a razor knife). Ncx has done this on a monitor before (pic). If you wanted a different color than what is available you could probably buy the plain colored one and color it with marker (and let it dry). Could have an ink bleed danger vs monitor heat or environment conditions using marker though so do that or any of this at your own risk.
do we know price?
Is the PDC really expensive to implement on a cheaper monitors?
I'm not sure how it affects black levels. But from what I've seen the new imac with PDC looked really gorgeous in stores I've visited recently. And despite the harsh lightening with multiple light sources, I couldn't spot any reflections that could be bothersome to anyone.
It's just ridiculous how with all these advancements in gaming monitors like achieving 120hz with an IPS panel, they just decide to negate a lot of benefits of a quality panel by placing it behind a thick matte film when there are great compromises like PDC or the true semi glossy.