Soulmetzger
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Do we really expect to see 2070 and lower anytime soon?I see the 2080ti doing okay. The top tier GPUs are always expensive and most that buy them don't care much about price.
The 2070 can't be that impressive, judging by how the 2080 performs. As much as I'd like to I am not sure I can swing $500-600 for one when the jump likely isn't going to be that big.
Unless they cannibalize the 2080 and make it almost as fast I see it receiving a similar reception to the 2080 and 2080ti. Over priced.
Seems like they labeled everything one peg higher than they should be, and increased the price, without the performance to back up the new label on them.
dang it. im on a amd 6300/hd 7950 from 5 years ago and things are finally getting unplayable. I was really counting on this release to be a monster. I need the 2070 to be a monster, I can only afford to do this every 5 years lol. I hate them.
So buy a used 1080Ti for the same money and have better performance.
Another words you're saying mining is ho hum and we don't know if mining takes off for another round if they will buy into the RTX cards or not... Considering AMD puts up the RX Vega 64 to the 2080/2070 - Why would nVidia out do themselves, and that makes great finical sense at this time. If AMD does happen to pop a surprise out there, nVidia has the Titan RTX to kick it up a notch yet, and if need be can push out the door in the not so far away time 7nm... nVidia certainly isn't feeling unhappy over this and the fact they blew out of 2080 Ti so fast it caused week delay to shipping either...
4k is niche in an already niche market. Most people with 1080Ti are playing at 1080p or 1440p still and want every bit of the 144hz their monitors support. They are not likely to buy a 2080 for a few % higher and even less likely to maybe fall as low as 60fps with a 4k monitor.I think that stock guys simply don't know SHIT.
As I read the reviews, at 4K a single 2080 Ti can best my two 1080 Ti cards in SLI by 15-20% that is pretty damn good if you ask me.
Yup, I realize that SLi is iffy and also not supported well, but still. I'm impressed by the results and it almost has me dropping any ideas of SLi from here on.
I haven't had the chance to read many reviews, but has anyone overclocked one of their 2080 Ti in any review???
I get the point of an NDA but they wanted to gag their less than expected performance. The difference is that they gaged people because they had a massive price increase but only a moderate performance increase. They caught the blind with their pre-order hype and the skeptical found their fears to be true.....10 year NDA now killed those who signed it because they have to wait every time something comes out when they know something is awry....And, that's exactly the point of an NDA. It's to protect the company from the potential loss of money, stock price, damage to it's brand name, public perception, bad press, etc. It covers more than just bad performance, it protects companies against bad actors.
The NDA absolutely worked as intended.
4k is niche in an already niche market. Most people with 1080Ti are playing at 1080p or 1440p still and want every bit of the 144hz their monitors support.
This is news just because it fell down after the NDA was lifted.
If you follow nvida's stock you'll see its pretty normal behavior. Heck its pretty normal for any stock.
Now, if it keeps falling....
In addition to 4K monitors, 1080 Ti users also include those that want to make use of the full 144 Hz refresh rate of their 1080p monitors, and those like myself that run triple-wide setups. It wouldn't surprise me if there were as many 1080 Ti's hooked up to 1080p monitors for those two use cases as 4K monitors hooked up to slower cards that can't fully drive them.Taking a look at the latest Steam hardware survey numbers, 4k monitors make up 1.33% and the 1080 Ti comes in at 1.45%. So if these numbers are accurate I'm guessing that a large majority of those 1080 Tis are connected to 4k monitors because what else is a 4k monitor user going to use as a GPU besides much more expensive Titans. The overwhelming sweet spot for 1080p gamers is the GTX 1060.
In addition to 4K monitors, 1080 Ti users also include those that want to make use of the full 144 Hz refresh rate of their 1080p monitors, and those like myself that run triple-wide setups. It wouldn't surprise me if there were as many 1080 Ti's hooked up to 1080p monitors for those two use cases as 4K monitors hooked up to slower cards that can't fully drive them.
Actually, I think the labeling was on point. Look at last gen, the 1060 was about on par with the 970, the 1070 about on par with the 980, the 1080 about on par with the 980 Ti. The labeling is consistent, it's the price that jumped way up.Seems is putting it lightly, its exactly what they did, 2080 should be a 2070 and the 2080ti the 2080.
I'm 100% positive they will release a faster card in ~9 months like they normally do and they will still sell them.
Sure they might sale 50% less gpu because of the price but at 200% the price the money will still flow in for nVidia.
That sounds awesome, but just thinking about the cost of 3 G-Sync monitors is making my wallet hurt. I'm holding off on a monitor upgrade until HDR becomes standard, and hopefully by then AMD will have something competitive and I'll be able to go with 3x FreeSync 2 monitors.I think this is a very good point. I have two independent monitor setups on either side of my office, the 43" 4k Sammy and 3x24" Asus 144hz 3D Vision monitors that I prefer for work purposes. I've actually been thinking of upgrading to 3x27" Acer Predators 144hz Gsynch with 3D Vision support, still like the 3D for Blu Ray and games here and there support 3D still like Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
That sounds awesome, but just thinking about the cost of 3 G-Sync monitors is making my wallet hurt. I'm holding off on a monitor upgrade until HDR becomes standard, and hopefully by then AMD will have something competitive and I'll be able to go with 3x FreeSync 2 monitors.
Does 1080p look good on a monitor that large? It seems that size would really call for 1440p, which would actually make use of the RTX 2080 Ti. I mean, you've got $2700 to drop on a GPU and monitors, right?Yeah, those Acer Predators are $500 a pop which is pricing for 27" 1080p.
Does 1080p look good on a monitor that large? It seems that size would really call for 1440p, which would actually make use of the RTX 2080 Ti. I mean, you've got $2700 to drop on a GPU and monitors, right?
Yes, because past performance always equals future performance.
Just ask Enron and GE
Not sure what you mean. I am just saying that a 2% dip on an otherwise incredibly healthy stock is just a dent in the bucket but the media loves to blow it up like it's the end of the world for Nvidia. They'll be fine.
True. But I think it's safe to say that this was a poor launch by nVidia as things stand today because of the performance gains versus the pricing to previous gen. It's going to take time to see how far RTX tech goes to really get the true impact of this launch. This could get better over time or even much worse if RTX fails to catch on or comes across too many technical issues.
Agreed. AMD's thing for the past few years has been comparable performance for less - until mining blew that up - and that merely lowers Nvidia's prices rather than giving them real competition. FreeSync is great, FreeSync 2 is better, now give us the cards to power those lovely and affordable monitors.I agree, as it is they rushed it but considering the lack of competition it's probably still going to be a success for Nvidia. I hope AMD can fire back cause this market is getting real stale.
Seeing as the people I know that have 4k use it for productivity and have 1070s and vega 56s powering them, I highly doubt that you can predict anything with the steam survey. They do 'game', but it's mostly lighter games like overwatch and things like darkest dungeon. Most of the people I know with 1080ti are doing competeative fps and rocking 144 to 240 fps on 1080p and 1440p monitors.Taking a look at the latest Steam hardware survey numbers, 4k monitors make up 1.33% and the 1080 Ti comes in at 1.45%. So if these numbers are accurate I'm guessing that a large majority of those 1080 Tis are connected to 4k monitors because what else is a 4k monitor user going to use as a GPU besides much more expensive Titans. The overwhelming sweet spot for 1080p gamers is the GTX 1060.
Most of the people I know with 1080ti are doing competeative fps and rocking 144 to 240 fps on 1080p and 1440p monitors.
Seeing as the people I know that have 4k use it for productivity and have 1070s and vega 56s powering them, I highly doubt that you can predict anything with the steam survey. They do 'game', but it's mostly lighter games like overwatch and things like darkest dungeon. Most of the people I know with 1080ti are doing competeative fps and rocking 144 to 240 fps on 1080p and 1440p monitors.
They're almost back to where they were prior to the reviews already.Not sure what you mean. I am just saying that a 2% dip on an otherwise incredibly healthy stock is just a dent in the bucket but the media loves to blow it up like it's the end of the world for Nvidia. They'll be fine.
Some people are selling their EVGA cards with a year so 2 of warranty left. Not a huge deal.I am stuck with a 7950 as well. Last cycle was screwed up by the cryptocrazies. This cycle is screwed up by the price/performance ratio. Sigh.
Yeeah, I am not going to trust what that 1080Ti was used for. No way will I buy a used video card. I have a knack for buying other peoples problems when I buy anything used.