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Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by AlphaAtlas, Sep 20, 2018.
Buy the dip!
Yes this does only matters unless if you want to buy Nvidia Stock. Trailer Queen Jet-Shun already knew this was going to happen. A Slight dip and nothing more. Millions of Impatient sheeple bought into this marketing scheme. Millions more are sure to follow.
BUT LOOK AT THE OVERALL PRICING on the 10 series of cards and the 20 series of cards. Pretty much priced per their overall performance value.
As of today just look at the NewEgg pricing on the 1080ti. I don't see no REAL discounts because there WILL NOT be none right now.
All of my previous comments, as of this moment concerning this type of price manipulation still stand.
As far as the stock price drop? You are going to find I believe a "marvelous" 4th quarter in profit earnings. Too many lemmings in this world... to many suckers born every minute. The Trailer Queen is just playing the odds and the odds are in his favor.
IMHO opinion do NOT purchase ANY 20 series cards at this moment. The price per performance value is just not there.
ALSO BE AWARE that Nvidia are BINNING their RTX cards.
BE INFORMED AND SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!
Do we really expect to see 2070 and lower anytime soon?
The 2080 and 2080ti are priced to avoid competition with Pascal GPUs, any lower Turing GPUs would surely affect the pricing of 1070s/1060s etc.
It's foolish to release anything else until most of that Pascal stock sells through.
Seems is putting it lightly, its exactly what they did, 2080 should be a 2070 and the 2080ti the 2080.
I'm 100% positive they will release a faster card in ~9 months like they normally do and they will still sell them.
Sure they might sale 50% less gpu because of the price but at 200% the price the money will still flow in for nVidia.
every major refresh should come with killer software, like how consoles do it
so what about old games which already runs well, running better
I am stuck with a 7950 as well. Last cycle was screwed up by the cryptocrazies. This cycle is screwed up by the price/performance ratio. Sigh.
Yeeah, I am not going to trust what that 1080Ti was used for. No way will I buy a used video card. I have a knack for buying other peoples problems when I buy anything used.
I am sure that with the release of the new g-sync module to run with this we can expect $500 added to any monitor that uses it.
Man Nvidia can't quit with the good news and great pricing.
I can only imagine they will outdo themselves on the price just by looking at the 2080ti. $2500 minimum. Voltage locked, 1 extra gb of VRAM and still gimped.
Or they will drop the 2080ti price $400 and piss everyone off. One way or another will lead to disappointment unless you have unlimited cash to spend on stupid shit.
4k is niche in an already niche market. Most people with 1080Ti are playing at 1080p or 1440p still and want every bit of the 144hz their monitors support. They are not likely to buy a 2080 for a few % higher and even less likely to maybe fall as low as 60fps with a 4k monitor.
nVidia betting of 4k gamers was a really bad bet.
I get the point of an NDA but they wanted to gag their less than expected performance. The difference is that they gaged people because they had a massive price increase but only a moderate performance increase. They caught the blind with their pre-order hype and the skeptical found their fears to be true.....10 year NDA now killed those who signed it because they have to wait every time something comes out when they know something is awry....
Good! Serves them right.
just buying used cards isnt the answer. some of us 30 year boomers like that nice warranty, especially post crypto. helps us sleep better.
This is news just because it fell down after the NDA was lifted.
If you follow nvida's stock you'll see its pretty normal behavior. Heck its pretty normal for any stock.
Now, if it keeps falling....
Taking a look at the latest Steam hardware survey numbers, 4k monitors make up 1.33% and the 1080 Ti comes in at 1.45%. So if these numbers are accurate I'm guessing that a large majority of those 1080 Tis are connected to 4k monitors because what else is a 4k monitor user going to use as a GPU besides much more expensive Titans. The overwhelming sweet spot for 1080p gamers is the GTX 1060.
I'm guessing with the end of crypto driven GPU demand and the wait for 7nm, things will be pretty slow in GPUs headed into Q3 2019. The RTX line is an exotic and expensive launch which I wouldn't have expected to drive much GPU demand until the shrink to 7nm and more consumer friendly pricing.
RTX is what nVidia could do now and given there's no competition right now, this kind of launch, getting something exotic and new out there while AMD's got nothing and Intel is still gearing up, not a bad idea. Yeah, not a lot of sales, enthusiast only but you do get some mindshare for RTX tech while there's really nothing else going on.
In addition to 4K monitors, 1080 Ti users also include those that want to make use of the full 144 Hz refresh rate of their 1080p monitors, and those like myself that run triple-wide setups. It wouldn't surprise me if there were as many 1080 Ti's hooked up to 1080p monitors for those two use cases as 4K monitors hooked up to slower cards that can't fully drive them.
I think this is a very good point. I have two independent monitor setups on either side of my office, the 43" 4k Sammy and 3x24" Asus 144hz 3D Vision monitors that I prefer for work purposes. I've actually been thinking of upgrading to 3x27" Acer Predators 144hz Gsynch with 3D Vision support, still like the 3D for Blu Ray and games here and there support 3D still like Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
Actually, I think the labeling was on point. Look at last gen, the 1060 was about on par with the 970, the 1070 about on par with the 980, the 1080 about on par with the 980 Ti. The labeling is consistent, it's the price that jumped way up.
Normally, we get last year's performance for less. The 1060 was supposed to be $80 less than the 970, the 1070 $170 less than the 980. Now, Nvidia messed part of that up with their FE models that AIB partners based their pricing off of, rather than the MSRP, but even accounting for that they were still $50 and $100 less respectively.
In this case, we once again have the 2080 taking the place of the 1080 Ti, but instead of a price decrease we have an increase. 1080 Ti launched at $700, the 2080 launched at $800. So we have last year's performance for $100 more...
That sounds awesome, but just thinking about the cost of 3 G-Sync monitors is making my wallet hurt. I'm holding off on a monitor upgrade until HDR becomes standard, and hopefully by then AMD will have something competitive and I'll be able to go with 3x FreeSync 2 monitors.
Yeah, those Acer Predators are $500 a pop which is pricing for 27" 1080p.
Does 1080p look good on a monitor that large? It seems that size would really call for 1440p, which would actually make use of the RTX 2080 Ti. I mean, you've got $2700 to drop on a GPU and monitors, right?
I've played with one of these monitors of all places Walmart and I was pretty happy with IQ. Again, looking for Gsync, 144hz and 3D Vision in one at that's only doable at 1080p.
Do you think that Nvidia might have jacked up the MSRP's to help the retailers get rid of the pile of 10 series cards they have left sitting on the shelves?
Not sure what you mean. I am just saying that a 2% dip on an otherwise incredibly healthy stock is just a dent in the bucket but the media loves to blow it up like it's the end of the world for Nvidia. They'll be fine.
True. But I think it's safe to say that this was a poor launch by nVidia as things stand today because of the performance gains versus the pricing to previous gen. It's going to take time to see how far RTX tech goes to really get the true impact of this launch. This could get better over time or even much worse if RTX fails to catch on or comes across too many technical issues.
I agree, as it is they rushed it but considering the lack of competition it's probably still going to be a success for Nvidia. I hope AMD can fire back cause this market is getting real stale.
The fact that stock didn't climb is bad news as it is, but IMO its too early to tell.
Who knows?, Charlie Demerjian could finally start pronosticating nvidia's demise all over gain.
Agreed. AMD's thing for the past few years has been comparable performance for less - until mining blew that up - and that merely lowers Nvidia's prices rather than giving them real competition. FreeSync is great, FreeSync 2 is better, now give us the cards to power those lovely and affordable monitors.
AMD could have done something last year but they brought out a loser, priced it higher than the winner and said its not what we wanted to bring out.
now they are talking again but its not about gaming cards.
Maybe next year, yea next year, you know maybe we can call it bulldozer.
Nvidia knows they are the only player and raping people is their nature.
Then we have fan boys and shrills screaming in the forms that its the greatest thing in the world. F the price.
do some of the posters get them for free to promote it??
Overall the same people that said it was overpriced and cut their ratings say it will still top out at $270 a share.
AMD bring out a card as fast as a TI I will switch in a minute...but I don't buy hot, overpriced failures at any price
Seeing as the people I know that have 4k use it for productivity and have 1070s and vega 56s powering them, I highly doubt that you can predict anything with the steam survey. They do 'game', but it's mostly lighter games like overwatch and things like darkest dungeon. Most of the people I know with 1080ti are doing competeative fps and rocking 144 to 240 fps on 1080p and 1440p monitors.
All I am saying is that for people using for 4k for gaming purposes on a desktop the 1080 Ti is probably the most popular GPU currently.
Theres a single game my 1070 can't get 60fps on at 4k, and thats Star Citizen.
1080 ti can handle a lot more eye candy, but even a 1060 can do quite a bit at 4k.
They're almost back to where they were prior to the reviews already.
The fact remains, that these are still the best cards you can buy. They are the current top end. Yeah, the prices are pretty ridiculous, but who thought Nvidia was in this to be your best friend? They'll charge what they can. The only things that could change this, are competition, or people not buying the products. There is currently no competition, and everyone will still buy these. Enthusiasts typically lack self control I've had more and more of it over recent years, but I'll still impulsively buy something cool once in a while.
So, either AMD needs to bring out a new killer device, and I mean on 9700 Pro levels here, or all the people that bitch about Nvidia, but then turn around and buy it need to practice what they preach.
Personally, these cards (meaning the whole 20xx line, 2080 and Ti in particular) are a great upgrade over my 1070, so I'll probably end up getting a 2080 sometime. I play a ton of id Software games. Based on the benches I've seen, I'll get 2x the frames I get now by jumping to a 2080 from my 1070 in some of these games, and really most of the games I play. It's not a 1:1 1070 to 2070 jump like previous years, it'll be a 1070 to 2080, but for the increases I'll see, it's pretty much worth the price. (not for the Founder's Edition, that's stupid...) There are a few games that don't scale quite the same with that jump, but many do.
However, the slightly more responsible part of me (the one that tends to lose ) might actually win this time, and I'll wait for the die shrink.
Who knows, maybe AMD will come out of left field, and give me the first reason to jump since what... the 5xxx range? Not bloody likely, but I'd love to see it.
Some people are selling their EVGA cards with a year so 2 of warranty left. Not a huge deal.
It would be funny if Nvidia jacked prices up another 15-25% to account for "Tariffs"
I'll go ahead and call it now they pull that greedy shit when they just jacked the price up once already