Nvidia plans to lock Game Ready drivers behind GeForce Experience registration

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  1. VulcaN

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    Cant you see past the processes that are running and realize that this is another way for them to make money? They had a meeting and thought "how can we continue to make money off consumers after they already own our hardware".

    From a processes standpoint, it doesn't matter how many system resources it uses 1MB or 1GB. I have 1GB to spare, I still don't want something using it that I don't need.

    Its another thing to sift through in task manager when looking for a process to kill, its another thing running in the background that could have a memory leak one day or cause an issue, and grow in size as they add more bloat. Once you let some bloat in you open yourself to more bloat.

    Everything should be modular and no one should be forced to install something they don't want to.

    Whats next, you go to IKEA and they tell you that you cant have the bed unless you get the matching dresser and nightstands, plus the nanny cam so they can monitor your bedroom and sell your sleep habits to pfizer?

    Nvidia would offer a $5/month fee for "tweaked" clean drivers that didn't require you to install all that bullcrap, but then that would be admitting that they were monetizing the GFE in their grand scheme.
     
  2. Phail

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    I have never installed GFE, ever. I never saw a need for it.

    I guess if I MUST have a new driver for some unknown reason, I will be forced to install it and register.

    The email I will be using.....

    info@nvidia.com
     
  3. Yakk

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    Hehehe yes, there are leaked developer drivers floating around all the time. What I wonder is when nvidia puts these drivers away under Lock & Key from their customers, if they'll also be more stringent on the dev companies (ie: strongly worded NDAs) and no longer pass a blind eye on the web sites openly hosting them. Seems like the natural next step in building a closed walled garden type business model.
     
  4. razor1

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    well you can dl the drivers without installing them through GE, c:\nvidia is where the drivers are stored. So i don't see them stopping websites from hosting drivers separately,
     
  5. Flogger23m

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    Why else would anyone visit their website if they're not getting drivers or customer service? :confused:
     
  6. TaintedSquirrel

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    I visit GeForce.com once a week or so to see what nasty shit Nvidia is up to recently.
    Andrew Burnes does good work, too. Their tweak guides are incredible.

    But yeah that's not Nvidia.com.
     
  7. Pieter3dnow

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    Why would AMD fanboys complain about Nvidia products ?
    I'm sure they all are enjoying themselves?
    Are you saying that Nvidia users are not capable of downloading drivers from a website here?

    The only troll I know is you when you goto the AMD section and post useful information as :AMD sucks and I hope AMD dies soon...
     
  8. razor1

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    Ok the reason why GE is requiring an email verification, is that shield service is going to be part of GE as well, and its to create a single sign on for both.
     
  9. bill_d

    bill_d Limp Gawd

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    and I would care about shield service why :(

    i'll use a fake email or new one every time till my 980 Poseidon's are old and out of date and then switch my second system back to AMD
    and unload GE after every time :mad:
     
  10. odditory

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    I guess I don't see what the big deal is. People trying to slippery slope the argument that Nvidia might start charging for drivers? Hysterical. I just don't see them giving AMD that much easy PR fodder on a silver platter.

    The friends that I have set up with video cards would never even bother to update their drivers if GFE didn't nag them. I suspect a lot of less tech savvy people are that way. So I don't see a downside to NV trying to keep people updated.
     
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  11. razor1

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    Because there is a good chance nV is planning to add other services to GE.
     
  12. odditory

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    Explain how they intend to make money with this. I'm genuinely curious.
     
  13. bill_d

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    sorry not interested in anything GE .
     
  14. bill_d

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    well spyware info selling is one way

    what games you buy and play the most at best, full system spyware at worst
     
  15. Flogger23m

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    I have a 3DS, which at this time, blows the Shield out of the water. I'm not interested in tying console services to my PC regardless. Unless it comes with free PC games or something. Perhaps if GFE gave us 1 new game a month it would be worth signing up for, but I doubt Nvidia is doing this. And I mean real games, like Tomb Raider or MGS.

    All the social media, fucking with your graphic settings, pop ups and bloated interface is really unnecessary. Especially if it runs 24/7.

    Are people really excited about using this garbage:
    [​IMG]

    Just what we need, another program which launches our program which launches our game. Oh, but it can detect "optimized settings" which never picks your ideal image quality or frame rate preference.
     
  16. rabidz7

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    Now de will be forced to pirate graphics drivers!
     
  17. The first decent gfx card I had was a Geforce 2 GTS then I got a ATI 9700 Pro a couple years later. I know Nvidia and Intel bring the best right now, so unfortunately I stick with them. I hope ATI/AMD pick up their shit and stop slacking. I would love to switch back to ATI/AMD but they're not giving me anything to work with and now Intel/Nvidia are increasing their monopolistic tactics. Just wonderful, anyone with business experience saw this coming.
     
  18. polonyc2

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    I think a lot of people will just install GFE with the Game-Ready drivers and then uninstall GFE immediately afterwards
     
  19. Habibus

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    My laptop has a 970m in it and I have GFE installed. I tried updating the drivers within it a few times, and it locked up 3 separate times trying to install physx. Downloaded the driver directly and manually installed it without issue. Since then I've downloaded the drivers manually. Please don't make me use GFE. It's worse than AMD's Raptr, which I've since uninstalled from my desktop.
     
  20. Skillz

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    It never works for me. I always end up having to just go to their site directly to download the updated drivers. This is bullshit.
     
  21. cageymaru

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    They will probably tie the driver and GFE into the same package so that removing one also removes the other. Eventually everyone will get used to GFE and forget about the issue.
     
  22. Dayaks

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    Yeah... This is my fear.
     
  23. polonyc2

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    lets hope not...the way they have it now is perfect...I always download the drivers from the Nvidia website, custom install and only install the drivers and PhysX (no HD audio drivers, 3D Vision crap, Geforce Experience)...I appreciate the lack of bloat

    it seems like Nvidia is hedging their bets with this...if they really wanted to force everyone onto GFE they should have just made it mandatory...but by doing this ridiculous method of quarterly releases for anyone not interested in GFE they are going half measures...seems like they wanted to gauge the public's reaction to this and maybe (hopefully) they will change their mind before December
     
  24. BroHamBone

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    Same....I dont like to load it up to check my shadowplay settings, cause I always forget, because it hangs on the splash screen.

    Once finally in, whenever I tried to download drivers it always failed...so I ended up going to the website.
     
  25. n=1

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    You guys sure it's not just pebcak or you're being AMD fanboys/trolls? :D
     
  26. skiddierow

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    I've been using GFE for about 18 months, and never had a real issue with it. The UI could be a little more responsive, I suppose.

    IMO the ire towards it should be directed at overhauling NVCP, it's about fuckin' time, it still looks like it did in WinXP.
     
  27. Skillz

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    If I'm an AMD fanboy then why are all my rigs running Intel/Nvidia? :eek::D
     
  28. polonyc2

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    does this apply to only Game-Ready drivers for new games or all WHQL/beta drivers that Nvidia releases?
     
  29. Dcode

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    This is the same as the Razer cloud based driver crap. Really only benefits them and not the user. Really pissed off with nVidia about some of the decisions they have made with their drivers recently.
     
  30. Zorlag

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    Companies want to profile you and sell/use the info for their own benefit. Google and others are already eating the cake and now Green team wants their piece too.

    I wonder what the OS landscape and drivers look in 10 years... Everything is forced and vendor locked maybe? :)
     
  31. biggles

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    I used to like using GFE because of the way it gave recommended settings on the games I play. This greatly reduced the amount of time I spent tweaking the graphics settings in order to get the right balance of framerate and picture quality.

    However, in the past several months I have been unable to get GFE to start. I get the message:
    "Geforce Experience encountered an error and must close."

    I have spent many hours doing internet searches. Also 4 rounds of back and forth emails with Nvidia tech support.

    I finally stumbled on a solution yesterday. I found out that older versions of GFE still work on my PC. Specifically, all recent versions 2.1.1 and on give errors and won't run. 2.0.0.0 and older still work.

    Unfortunately, GFE version 2.0.0.0 crashed when I tried to download the latest driver from it. So I still had to download the driver manually.

    I can't be the only one having this many problems getting GFE to run properly. I would think the fact that some people can't get the program to work is a compelling argument against requiring it for timely driver updates.
     
  32. clayton006

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    So I've never had a problem with GeForce Experience on any of my systems. That isn't to say that there aren't problems with the software, but normally I don't notice it is there (unless I want to use a shield device for streaming, or the open source moonlight app to do nvidia streaming).

    I DO think it is complete and utter bullshit to lock driver updates behind Geforce Experience. What purpose / benefit do I receive by using this software for drivers vs. downloading my own? Maybe for the plebs that don't know what a driver update is, this is great, but that's not really who Nvidia caters to mostly (just my guess).

    I guess I'll have to use DDU to wipe out my drivers, load Geforce Experience, load drivers, then wipe it all over again with DDU when a new "Game Ready" driver shows up.
     
  33. cageymaru

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    Well you have to think like Nvidia. They own 82% of the PC market. That doesn't mean that they own 82% of the hardcore PC market; but 82% of everyone out there. That includes the Farmville office workers. So requiring everyone to use the same setup is advantageous for them. I could see the Game Ready program getting absorbed back into the regular release schedule to save money.

    You have to think in terms of the corporation's bottom line as that is all that matters.
     
  34. Domingo

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    Not the end of the world, but I simply have no need for the GFE. What it considers "optimized" I don't always agree with, and I don't need any of the other things in the program.
     
  35. clayton006

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    I don't think that their driver update directly impacts their bottom line. The hardcore market will notice driver updates being out of sync more than the average consumer.

    I don't have a problem pushing driver updates through GFE, but they should continue to allow the same updates over the normal channel.
     
  36. cageymaru

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    It has to take excessive man hours to create multiple driver packages. They could consolidate them and get rid of redundant workers which saves their corporation money.
     
  37. clayton006

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    I'm sure like most companies, they use a change management tool and some level of automation that packages up modified source using an automated process. Other than the actual bug fixing / feature fixing, most of the packaging is most likely automated.
     
  38. Riccochet

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    Never had a problem with it. It opens rather quickly for me and installs drivers just fine. The game optimizations work as a really good starting point for dialing in a game.

    Honestly, I have no problems with it.
     
  39. Dcode

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    As long as they stick to releasing drivers quarterly that can be downloaded from the website I can live with that. Along with the hotfixes. I recently upgraded to a 980 Ti and it broke Gsync. Without the latest hotfix I was getting worse performance than the 780 it replaced.
     
  40. DPI

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    Because you're not stupid :D