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Nexus-Five thread

Zorachus said:
I know, but please don't gimp on the battery of all things. If the G2 has a 3,000mAh battery, and the N5 is based off the G2, then keep the battery, and gimp the camera, no LTE, with HSPA+ being fast enough for me at 42mb/sec and even go 720p screen for all I care, but battery life is #1 most important feature.
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Gimp the camera? HELL NO! The camera is the one thing we can't change. I can always plug my phone in but I can't fix a horrible photo. The Nexus line has always had atrocious cameras. If Google doesn't change that I'm not buying the phone.

I think Samsung's success has pointed out that the screen is the most important feature in a phone. Toss in a great screen and camera and gimp everything else IMO.
 
Blown 89 said:
Gimp the camera? HELL NO! The camera is the one thing we can't change. I can always plug my phone in but I can't fix a horrible photo. The Nexus line has always had atrocious cameras. If Google doesn't change that I'm not buying the phone.

I think Samsung's success has pointed out that the screen is the most important feature in a phone. Toss in a great screen and camera and gimp everything else IMO.
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I am sorry, but never understood the need for some killer camera on a cell phone ? It's your phone, that can take pictures on the fly, in a pinch, I don't need award winning pictures taken on my phone. If your going to do some real photography, bring your dedicated camera.

What good is a nice camera if your phone is dead with no power, due to battery drained.
 
From Arstechnica..."If this document is to be believed, this means no support for AT&T or Verizon LTE, which both need 700MHz support"
DEAL BREAKER
 
Zorachus said:
I am sorry, but never understood the need for some killer camera on a cell phone ? It's your phone, that can take pictures on the fly, in a pinch, I don't need award winning pictures taken on my phone. If your going to do some real photography, bring your dedicated camera.

What good is a nice camera if your phone is dead with no power, due to battery drained.
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Most people don't want to, nor can they, lug a full sized camera around all the time. Cell phones have caused a revolution in society where we are capturing videos and pictures of things nobody was previously able to see. Watch the news, a lot of the coverage of unbelievable events was captured on cell phones. If it weren't for those we wouldn't have coverage of any of it.

I was out last weekend for a birthday party and my fiance and her friend wanted a picture. I took out my GNex and tried three times to get a decent picture in this dimly lit bar. They were horrible. If it weren't for her iPhone that moment would have been lost for eternity.

Where the heck to you guys go every day where you can't plug in your phone? Opportunities to charge are everywhere....car, desk, millions of outlets. Hell, I even have a solar charger so I can use my GPS while backpacking in the middle of nowhere. I can fix a weak battery any number of ways but the camera is much like the processor, you're stuck with what they give you.
 
harsaphes said:
From Arstechnica..."If this document is to be believed, this means no support for AT&T or Verizon LTE, which both need 700MHz support"
DEAL BREAKER
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LOL, if true, you CANNOT get it on a decent network in the US. I understand not supporting Verizon and their stupid CDMA and pricing, but supporting neither Verizon nor AT&T is absolutely ridiculous. I can't understand why companies are leaving band 17 out of their phones. I could buy an Xperia Z1 (instead of friggin WAITING for a stupid G2, I'm getting close to canceling with Negri) worldwide edition which still won't get AT&T LTE... but hey, I could bring it to Africa and get LTE there. Totally worth it, Sony - not.

No AT&T = no deal.
 
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Eh I saw the rumors for the battery on this. It seems like the N5 is a gimped version of the G2. I like that the price of the N4 was really competitive. But I would for once like a Nexus phone that is completely high end.
 
I think Google gimps the Nexus phones on purpose.

Not just for the obvious price saving features, but more for worrying their OEMs like Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony, etc... If Google builds a killer super Nexus phone that just destroys any other Android phone out there, I think companies like Samsung and HTC might get a little pissed ?

We know for $350/$400 the Nexus 5 is a great deal, but it has short comings, lesser camera, smaller battery, no LTE, little storage, etc...

Now imagine Google charging the full $650 price on the Nexus 5 and also sell at carriers subsidized, and for that price Google could throw in the kitchen fucking sink, with better specs than the Note 3, making it a super smartphone, cherry-picking the best parts and assembling a crazy good phone that would just dominate. Google could easily do that, but won't.

Imagine a Super - Nexus phone;
- Hardware + Battery from the Note 3
- Screen from the HTC One
- Size, shape, and material design of the Moto X
- Running the latest stock Android 4.4 Kit Kat
- LTE + GSM and CDMA radios

Yeah, then I woke up :)
 
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From one of the comments in the thread on Ars....

"The reason for the lack of bands is that this service manual is for the D821, believed to be the international variant. The D820 (believed to be the US centric version) has LTE bands for Sprint/ATT/T-Mobile, but no Verizon."

So maybe we are getting it after all.
 
Companies need to stop releasing 8 versions of a phone with 2 LTE bands each. Where are the phones with 10-20 LTE bands? Intel says it can fit like 20 in one chip.
 
harsaphes said:
From one of the comments in the thread on Ars....

"The reason for the lack of bands is that this service manual is for the D821, believed to be the international variant. The D820 (believed to be the US centric version) has LTE bands for Sprint/ATT/T-Mobile, but no Verizon."

So maybe we are getting it after all.
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Yeah according to a few places this is for the ex-US (I read Asia somewhere) version. I sincerely doubt they wouldn't include LTE in this iteration, given the reaction most folks had with the N4.
 
Zorachus said:
I think Google gimps the Nexus phones on purpose.

Not just for the obvious price saving features, but more for worrying their OEMs like Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony, etc... If Google builds a killer super Nexus phone that just destroys any other Android phone out there, I think companies like Samsung and HTC might get a little pissed ?

We know for $350/$400 the Nexus 5 is a great deal, but it has short comings, lesser camera, smaller battery, no LTE, little storage, etc...

Now imagine Google charging the full $650 price on the Nexus 5 and also sell at carriers subsidized, and for that price Google could throw in the kitchen fucking sink, with better specs than the Note 3, making it a super smartphone, cherry-picking the best parts and assembling a crazy good phone that would just dominate. Google could easily do that, but won't.

Imagine a Super - Nexus phone;
- Hardware + Battery from the Note 3
- Screen from the HTC One
- Size, shape, and material design of the Moto X
- Running the latest stock Android 4.4 Kit Kat
- LTE + GSM and CDMA radios

Yeah, then I woke up :)
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Id rather have the Design and material from the Z1, that means some waterproofing :D. Screen from the Note 3 or HTC One. Everything else I agree with you.

The thing that bothers me the most is that Google builds these phones with OEMs and base it on the very best they have. I know LG made the G2 the very best they could make it. Then they intentionally gimp it so it doesnt really compete. Why cant they have a cheaper version and the top of the line version? I mean they are built by OEMs anyways designed by them, specs dictated by Google.

I believe the reason Google makes the Nexus line is to teach the OEMs how to better deal with the software while they collaborate. Thats why so far each OEM has gotten two nexus models and after each one the OEMs IMHO have improved quite a bit.
 
dandragonrage said:
Companies need to stop releasing 8 versions of a phone with 2 LTE bands each. Where are the phones with 10-20 LTE bands? Intel says it can fit like 20 in one chip.
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Sadly the U.S. Carrier Nazis have no interest in giving us this option if they don't have too :rolleyes:

That way we could a buy a new phone, and actually shop it around to different carriers :eek: No way Verizon and ATT Hitlers are down with that.

The U.S. mobile market is fucked beyond belief :mad:

Thank God for Google making Nexus phones cheap at no contract prices, and running on pre-paid plans like Straight Talk, Net10, GoPhone, etc... That's the best way to give Verizon and them the middle finger.
 
Trimlock said:
Oh man if this doesn't work on att, that's a very big deal...
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Could be like the Nexus 4, where it's HSPA+ only, no LTE. But I doubt that, I am sure Google heard loud and clear last year, they need to put the ATT LTE chip in the next Nexus phone.
 
Zorachus said:
Sadly the U.S. Carrier Nazis have no interest in giving us this option if they don't have too :rolleyes:

That way we could a buy a new phone, and actually shop it around to different carriers :eek: No way Verizon and ATT Hitlers are down with that.

The U.S. mobile market is fucked beyond belief :mad:

Thank God for Google making Nexus phones cheap at no contract prices, and running on pre-paid plans like Straight Talk, Net10, GoPhone, etc... That's the best way to give Verizon and them the middle finger.
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You're right - the only way to fix this is to go with companies that care and/or pre-paid plans. Ting is great for people who happen to get good Sprint reception and don't use a ton of data. AT&T has Straight Talk and Aio. I'm moving from Ting to Aio and won't be looking back. CDMA is dead.

People need to stop using Verizon if the AT&T network works for them. Consumer choices you guys make affect the choices available to the rest of us. When you have a real reason to choose Verizon, that's one thing, but when you choose them because you're stuck in 2002 and don't realize that AT&T is also good today, then WTF. Do your damn homework. If you pay Verizon $100+ when you could be paying someone else $40-70, you're not helping the market from the consumer standpoint.

The more of us that actually show that we care how our carriers treat us, the better they'll have to get.
 
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///AMG said:
I believe the reason Google makes the Nexus line is to teach the OEMs how to better deal with the software while they collaborate. Thats why so far each OEM has gotten two nexus models and after each one the OEMs IMHO have improved quite a bit.
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That's been my theory as well. Nexus users are basically testing the software for everyone else.
 
As much as I bitch about the N5 not being the super smartphone I wish it to be.

I will also be the first online to place an order for a brand new Nexus 5 :p For $349 possible price, gimped features and all, it's still a great phone to use on a pre-paid plan like GoPhone for me.

I just can't be locked into a 2yr carrier contract anymore, on principle alone, I don't like the hosing they offer, and I don't bend over that far.

A pre-paid plan like GoPhone and Straight Talk, saves like $1,500 over 2 years, for two lines. And both pre-paid plans now have LTE as well.
 
T4rd said:
Or maybe 4.4 will address one of bigger issues with Android; power efficiency. I hope this is the case because it's really one of the big advantages iOS has over Android since the iPhone 5/5S can last as long or longer (with some types of usage) than most newer phones with 2300+ mAh batteries.

They could fix it easily if the battery usage screens weren't broken and showed you exactly what's using your battery and not just some generic service name associated with it. Like when it says "Google services" uses X% of your battery; it should be able to break it down and tell you exactly what service it is (Play Music, Gmail, data sync, etc), then give you the option to go into those specifc settings and disable it or not use cell data or something like that. That's just one example, there's several other services that specific settings hide behind and makes it very frustrating to track down exactly what's keeping your phone awake and killing your battery. It would also be nice if they just implement some sort of background task restrictions, so when you enable battery saver mode (which I don't even think Android natively has), it will kill any wake-locks that are not part of Androids core services. That right there would cut down on 90% of peoples battery issues on Android phones.
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Highly unlikely. Battery life on Android has gotten worse with each release, e.g. with ICS and JB there was a decrease.

What Android needs to add is managing services on demand, the way many other oem's add an app to do (like Motorola Smart Actions). There is no reason why the OS can't have an option to not turn on things like Gps/BT at night, or turn off services as battery life goes down.

Google has never really been good about this sort of thing though, they usually just hope the much more powerful hardware on Android devices makes it go away.
 
MrCrispy said:
Highly unlikely. Battery life on Android has gotten worse with each release, e.g. with ICS and JB there was a decrease.

What Android needs to add is managing services on demand, the way many other oem's add an app to do (like Motorola Smart Actions). There is no reason why the OS can't have an option to not turn on things like Gps/BT at night, or turn off services as battery life goes down.

Google has never really been good about this sort of thing though, they usually just hope the much more powerful hardware on Android devices makes it go away.
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Yeah, I'm not expecting them to do anything about it anytime soon, but it's one of the few things that Android needs a lot of improvement on still.
 
The carrier (and ISP) situation in the US won't improve because they are granted monopolies by the FCC and competition is thus effectively not allowed. And our govt is extremely corp friendly and would never pass laws to benefit consumers, unlike say the EU where consumer protection is actually present and enforced.

Ideally what would happen is a consolidated move to VoLTE which uses GSM, and mandate all carriers to allow interchanging devices and frequencies. That would foster an open market and actually allow consumers to choose carriers based on merit, and switch as often as they want. It would support both the contract and pay as you go models, just like in Europe/Asia.

But this is a situation that benefits consumers and reduces corp profits and thus will never happen in the US.
 
MrCrispy said:
The carrier (and ISP) situation in the US won't improve because they are granted monopolies by the FCC and competition is thus effectively not allowed. And our govt is extremely corp friendly and would never pass laws to benefit consumers, unlike say the EU where consumer protection is actually present and enforced.

Ideally what would happen is a consolidated move to VoLTE which uses GSM, and mandate all carriers to allow interchanging devices and frequencies. That would foster an open market and actually allow consumers to choose carriers based on merit, and switch as often as they want. It would support both the contract and pay as you go models, just like in Europe/Asia.
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Ideally what SHOULD happen is that we consumers should look out for ourselves, dump Verizon, and go with companies like Ting and Aio. That would be an effective form of regulation. Problem is apathetic people don't care about anything and don't realize or care that their choices as a consumer affect the rest of us, and thus the most powerful regulating force in capitalism just doesn't work. Anyway, this is really tangential.

So about that Nexus 5... yeah... Please get it on a carrier that isn't Verizon or AT&T directly. Even if it's an MVNO on their network, such as Aio or Straight Talk.
 
Oh no... all regulations are evil! Jesus hates regulations! XD
 
Nexus 5 vs. Nexus 4 [Specs]
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/07/nexus-5-specs/

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MrCrispy said:
Its been the same in every leak and now in the manual. I'm pretty sure its correct.
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If that is the case, the hardware is wholly unexciting. How does anything they have done so far improve the smartphone usage case? Maybe kitkat will change my mind...though the marketing association still bothers me. I want the N5 to be exciting, I want it to be good!!!
 
Well Nexus is never meant to be the best hardware. It is meant to be the latest and most frequently updated software, that really is the only goal of Nexus as its purpose is to be the reference platform for new Android releases.

People like them because Google started selling them for cheap and you can combine with a cheap prepaid plan.
 
MrCrispy said:
Well Nexus is never meant to be the best hardware. It is meant to be the latest and most frequently updated software, that really is the only goal of Nexus as its purpose is to be the reference platform for new Android releases.

People like them because Google started selling them for cheap and you can combine with a cheap prepaid plan.
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Doesn't matter what you say - this happens every time a Nexus is announced - the fan boi's expect Google to cram every single top of the line hardware spec into a phone when the reality is that Nexus devices are all about the software experience, not the hardware. Fan boi's are disappointed, bitch, moan, and then go back to using whatever the latest Samsung device is.

The cycle will continue for the rest of time...
 
^ I don't know if you were trying to disagree with me or what, but I said pretty much the same thing - Nexus phones have the best experience (due to being stock and latest) which along with cheap cost is what makes them desirable.

I'm not a 'fanboi' of anything.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
Doesn't matter what you say - this happens every time a Nexus is announced - the fan boi's expect Google to cram every single top of the line hardware spec into a phone when the reality is that Nexus devices are all about the software experience, not the hardware. Fan boi's are disappointed, bitch, moan, and then go back to using whatever the latest Samsung device is.

The cycle will continue for the rest of time...
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I....I just don't understand.

The Nexus devices are the only android devices that I ever feel comfortable recommending. You don't have to worry about any bullshit skins or carrier garbage slowing things down, or creating incompatibilities/inconsistencies. However the hardware has generally (I think the Nexus One is an exception) been a disappointment.

How is it irrational that (if the rumors are true) after hearing the phone is based off the G2 that people aren't disappointed with the most recent leaks? The biggest unique feature of the G2 is the battery, and that appears to have been cut. The G2 camera seems impressive, and that appears to have been cut. So what are we left with? Another generic set of specs. I understand that the biggest draw of the Nexus line is the software, but why is it that excellent hardware and excellent software are mutually exclusive in the Android world? It's unnecessary, and we don't need people defending it with 'fan boi' remarks (wasn't that syntax started by an Avril Lavigne song!?).

The major caveat here is that none of the information is official - we'll see what really appears on launch day.
 
MrCrispy said:
^ I don't know if you were trying to disagree with me or what, but I said pretty much the same thing - Nexus phones have the best experience (due to being stock and latest) which along with cheap cost is what makes them desirable.

I'm not a 'fanboi' of anything.
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I was agreeing with you...and telling you to try and not to understand the spec sensationalism over every Nexus phone...because there is no logical reasoning
 
Trimlock said:
Yes it is, I'm still open to switching but I don't think the nexus 5 will be that good.
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The only other phone I would even consider right now is the Z1. If and only if the C6906 with AT&T LTE comes out and the camera and battery life issues get ironed out. If it does the Z1 will finally be the phone I always wanted.
 
Zorachus said:
I am sorry, but never understood the need for some killer camera on a cell phone ? It's your phone, that can take pictures on the fly, in a pinch, I don't need award winning pictures taken on my phone. If your going to do some real photography, bring your dedicated camera.

What good is a nice camera if your phone is dead with no power, due to battery drained.
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For the vast majority of people out there, now days, their phone is their only camera.
 
///AMG said:
The only other phone I would even consider right now is the Z1. If and only if the C6906 with AT&T LTE comes out and the camera and battery life issues get ironed out. If it does the Z1 will finally be the phone I always wanted.
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I like Sony phones, really I do but right now I think the only thing I'll wait on is moto to come out with something. Z1 would be too little too late right now. I don't have high hopes with the N5 but I'll wait before posting judgment. That battery life... yeah.
 
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