NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by wahaha360, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Nanook

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    Cleaned up my cables a bit, and color coordinated now with the new 1700rpm redux. (replacing my pair of A12x25, which can now be repurposed else where :)

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    Nice and clean!!

    What is this screws on the GPU? (AC3)
     
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    Looks really clean! I notice you have the NH-U9S fans drawing in air from the rear panel, but did not rotate the actual heatsink 180 degrees. I wonder if that would make much of a difference in temperatures or physical clearance?
     
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    curious as well as using the rear as intake helps with cpu temps using a NH-U9s
     
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    He is using a closed window side panel, the rear intake will improve the CPU temps. Check out the "Optimum Tech" youtube channel with the "Ultimate NCASE M1 Cooling Setup" video.

    Thats the default screws from the AC4, which provides a big backplate for cooling VRM / VRAM, this needs longer screws. With AC3 you have small heat sinks for VRM / VRAM without backplate.

    I used the AC4 in the past too:

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    But the orginal AC4 backplate was too high for my Noctua NH-C14 cpu cooler, so I used smaller cooper CPU passive heat sinks to cool VRM area on the back from the GPU. My GPU had over 1.4 kg total weight finally :-D
     
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  6. Nanook

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    Thanks!
    It is the screws from the Xtreme IV and the “backplate” from the NZXT G10. Also had to use countersink washers to mitigate the super tall IV screws.

    With the current heatsink arrangement, CPU temperatures are OK so far ~70s (delid 8700K) I need to run more tests tonight to get a better read.
     
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    Looks good (y)
    - Kudos on keeping that case so pristine. Not easy!!

    I wonder if making a duct from a rear of the case would help with the CPU temp?
     
  8. Nanook

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    Thanks!
    Actually, this is my second case (black). My first case is all cut up from window + bottom rad set up (mimicking yours :)
     
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    IMG_20180627_131131.jpg IMG_20180627_131135.jpg I added another 80 mm fan to the top of my NCase M1 so that all the hot air gets blown out, might help the temps a little :)
     
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    has anybody in here done the Vertical gpu mod? and if so did you like it
     
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    https://mnpctech.com/pci-e-riser-ca...gpu-mounting-bracket-silver.html#/product/912


    You lose cooler height and exhaust i believe, but you can use the bottom for a radiator


    I was thinking with the bottom available i could exhaust an aio cpu and aio gpu, just not sure space left at the top would allow sufficient intake air

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    Yes that would be a working solution, but a single 240mm radiator would be not sufficent anymore for me, I'm already done with two internal 240mm radiators in my Ncase, it was a nightmare so tight: https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase...n-first-post.1717132/page-647#post-1043390905, but it worked. I went to a external radiator setup for a while, because I want true silence with low water temps (less than 6 K delta T to ambient temp), this is not possible with just two 240mm radiators and highly OC'ed hardware.
     
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    Good point i think the tubing on the all in ones is usually harder to work with so my setup might not work

    I dont rly mess with the gpus OC, the factory oc does 1440p fine and i have no need for a crazy cpu oc (will be my first time oc'ing a cpu and my priority is temps not clocks)

    My biggest gripe is having to cut the rear of the case, a bit hesitant since i barely got the case yesterday
     
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    You will only do this mod if you have a window side panel. This mod has the graphics card too close to the window for proper airflow so I think you'd have to have liquid cooling for the graphics card too.
     
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    yeah a 120 aio cpu and 120 aio gpu.


    https://i.imgur.com/t5aG9yJ.jpg

    i have a vert card on air that runs fine but yeah liquid should exhaust better. (seen pics of it with the normal panel instead of winodw, dnt get the point of that tho lol)

    it still need decent airflow on liquid tho
     
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    if you take the shroud/fans off of a 1080ti, is there a way to connect the bottom case fans directly to the video card so the video card can manage the speeds? If so, where would this connection be and is a adapter required? I have a EVGA 1080ti SC2
     
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    Yes, under the shroud on the PCB (usually near an edge), you'll need an adaptor (depends on the card, some are three-pin, some four-pin). May need to mod the card's bios to increase power to the fans or change fan curves.
     
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    So I decided to give the ncase a try. Everything is in except my 2.5in ssd. I can't get the grommets on at all. I assume the large thumb screws are for attaching the grommets to the ssd and then you slot it in the holes on the front. The screws don't thread in my ssd at all. Only the small flat headed screws fit which obviously don't hold the grommets because they're so small. Am I missing something?? I have other Lian Li cases that use the same grommets and they work fine. This one has me stumped.
     
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    Nevermind, I found the correct screws in the bag with the fan screws. I never would have looked there, because like any sane person I use silent rubber mounts for my noctua fans and not screws.
     
  21. Qrash

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    According to the image linked on the Ncase M1 Resources page on SFFLab, the E screws (M3 pan head screw with shoulder) is meant for soft-mounting 2.5-inch drives.

    EDIT: Ah, glad you found them.
     

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    The EVGA used a 4 pin fan header, you need an adapter like this one from Gelid.
     
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    Has anyone tried the new NJ450-SXL passive SFX-L power supply in the M1?

    It sounds like it could be an exciting product.
     
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  24. M1AF

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    Someone already posted the gelid option, which is fine if you get the splitter adapter to go with it. I use the one from moddiy that has the splitter built in. There's a tiny amount of modding you have to do (break the plastic piece on the PWM connector with a set of pliers, super easy) but it works great.
    https://www.moddiy.com/products/Mini-4%2dPin-GPU-to-2-x-4%2dPin-PWM-Fan-Adapter.html

    Ignore this. The gelid one looks much better if you get the silverstone splitter to go with it.
     
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    I reinstalled the direct die frame and liquid metal to temp test with the c14s.

    I'm not good at video games. This is just to demonstrate what a 4.8ghz all core 7900x runs at on air in a M1 with the side panel window.

    Punchline if you don't feel like watching the video. Anywhere between 40-70c while gaming, hovering mostly in the 45c range on all cores and spiking to 70 on a core here and there for a split second.

     
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    Direct die frame? Is this from der8auer? To me those are good temps, especially with the window side-panel.
     
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    Yep. Grabbed one of his frames from overclockers.uk.
     
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    hello,

    I have a small question, taking only performance in account, will an undervolt 1080ti be better than a 1080 or 1070 ?
    will it be the same with an undervolt 8700k, will it be better than an I5?

    thinking about doing the best performance/noise ratio, and performance come usualy with thermal issue-> noise...

    may be going even a step down and undervolting a 1070 and a i5? coupled with a c14 and an accelero 3 for the gpu.

    would love tpo have imput to create the best noise/perf set up.

    thanks
     
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    I have zero experience with undervolting, but my understanding is that you lower the voltage while leaving other settings, like clock speeds, unchanged. In that case,I believe a 1080 Ti should still outperform a 1080 or 1070 when all are at Nvidia's stock clock speeds. If you reduce the clock speeds then a 1080Ti will start to approach the lower models.

    If you want the best performance to noise for an 8700K, then you should delid it. However, if you aren't planning to overclock it, why not get the 8700 (non-K) or one of the other slightly lower models and save some money? I'd still delid them to get better heat transfer efficiency. Do you mean the Noctua NH-C14S? The previous model, the NH-C14, is discontinued and very rare now. The original fit the M1 better: it allowed a 25 mm fan on top at the side bracket and a bottom 120 mm fan didn't interfere with the SFX power supply.

    For the graphics card, the Accelero 3 with fans underneath set to exhaust is a very good setup. If you get a 1070 or 1080 (not the Ti) with the stock layout Gelid makes an unified heatsink for the VRMs. Otherwise, the Accelero 3 comes with separate small heatsinks for these, in addition to ones for the RAM. The Accelero IV does not include small heatsinks, though it does include a backplate, I believe.
     
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    The idea of using the 8700k is that as you can overclock it you should also be able to underclock it better than the normal 8700 version.
    I am actually not sue about this, but that was the way I understood it.

    I already have a M1 and a Noctuq c14. both for more than a year , I saw a c14 brand new on sale and bought it directly it was like 40 or 50$...
    Now I am waiting for the new gpu line to start doing this config, and may be the new 9700 or 9800 cpu. will also be availlable.
    I hope the new line will be compatible with a accelero III as it seems the best solution for GPU thermal.

    I don t mind paying a 8700k and a 1180 to undervolt it and have the performance of an i5 and a 1170, if it come with significant noise reduction.


    but question is : no money taked in account, is a 8700k and a 1080 or future 1180 undervolted quiter and with better performance than a i5 and a 1070/1170.

    hard to find answer for undervolting, harder than for overclocking...
     
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    I wouldn't go into it assuming you need to undervolt to get acceptable temps and noise levels. If you delid and use liquid metal and add an accellero, you can achieve quiet performance without the need to undervolt.
     
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    That is true that LM is also something that could significantly improve thermal.

    There is also that new psu without any fan. But not sur it s powerful enough for a 8700 and a 1180 :https://www.anandtech.com/show/13019/silverstone-launches-nj450sxl-psu-fanless-sfx-l-450w

    It s also sfx L so not sure it will be compatible with a 1180 or a 1080 gpu...

    Could be fun to have this psu with a mini zotac 1080 coupled with and accelero 3. Might make it possible to use it in the ncase.
     
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    If you already have the Noctua C14 you are good, even without a delid. When I first got my 8700k I ran it with a Dark Rock TF and the temps were very reasonable, if you delid they will be great. The Noctua will be able to easily cool the CPU. With the Accelero III you can easily cool a 1080 Ti. Just make sure you have good quality fans and you will have a cool and quiet build.
     
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    Use Noctua Sterrox NF-A12x25 PWM fans throughout, should be the best Big Air build...
     
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    shame this doesnt fit in the case, review has running as cool as the long 3 fan 1080ti
     
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    Are you speaking about the fan under the accelero 3?

    Not sure there is enough room for 25 mm fan.
    But goal is to use Noctua Fan any time I need.

    Goal is also to have the minimum.of fan so 1 for c14, 2 under the accelero 3 and may be custom a sfx 600 sfx 450 by changing the one inside by another Noctua Fan.

    Even if the c14 can handle an undelided 8700, I will still delide it. Thernal gain are so big for not something that difficult to do.


    Need to reach for LM delude vs normal repaste.


    Edit : so it seems repaste without using lm doesn t bring that much difference :


    I am a little bit surprise by those result. I swear I could remember reading a repast would improve more than just 3 to 5°C...
     
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    Yes there is room for 25mm fans under the Accelero III. Below is a pic of the most common arrangement using the Noctua NH-C14 and the Accelero III.

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    2 x 25mm fans on the side fan bracket and 2 x 25mm fans mounted to the case bottom. As you can see the Noctua extends past the single 120mm fan a bit, the additional side fan also helps cool the motherboard and feeds air to the PSU.

    This is often called "Big Air" and is probably the most effective air cooling solution for the Ncase.
     
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    Yes, this is the 'Big Air' build I was thinking of...

    Noctua "Sterrox" NF-A12x25 fans all around (two on side mount, two on bottom of chassis) would improve the performance of the heat sinks...

    A common mod with dual 120x25mm fans in the bottom is to cut out the bottom of the chassis to allow full airflow from the exhausting fans...

    Two general comments:

    1 - It is a shame the original NH-C14 units are so rare these days, and a double shame that Noctua couldn't chop an additional 5mm off of their next-gen C-type downdraft cooler...

    2 - Noctua should make Accelero III-style replacement heat sinks for the nVidia (Pascel / Volta / Tesla) & AMD (Vega / Navi) GPUs...

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    Back in May I transferred my gaming rig from my Ncase to a MI-6, still love my Ncase and wanted to find a new use for it. I ran across a photo of someone who had added an additional 3.5 bracket using a low profile cooler, perfect. I never had found a case I was happy with for my HTPC/Plex server and now I saw how the Ncase could work well.

    Ncase M1 v5.0
    Intel i3 8100 Coffee Lake
    Asrock H370M-ITX/ac
    2 x 4GB Crucial 2133 MHz DDR4
    XFX RX 550 4GB
    Corsair SF450
    128GB Samsung SM951
    2 x 2TB WD Blue
    2 x 3TB WD Green
    Gelid Slim Hero
    2 x 120mm Noiseblocker Multiframe
    92mm Noiseblocker BlackSilentPro

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    It is snug but everything fits very well, hard to see in the photo but there is about 10mm clearance between the HDD and the CPU cooler.

    Everything runs cool and quiet too. Idle temps at 20C ambient are 30C for the CPU and mid 20C for the HDDs. Ran Intel Burn Test and max temp on the CPU was 53C, very happy with that. The little RX 550 has a 0 fan mode and doesn't have any load on it so never runs. I just added it for the HDMI 2.0.

    So I have to say if anyone is looking to build a nice little server/nas the Ncase works really well.
     
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    So 2 fan on the bracket are better than a single 14 fan just for the gpu?

    I wish Noctua propose a gpu solution like their cpu solution.

    Seems like new gpu are around the corner with an expected release in September. I hope accelero 3 will be compatible.

    Are people doing liquid metal between the gpu and the accelero 3?

    In the front of the ncase we can put one or 2 sata ssd? I think I remember a post with a solution with 2 ssd

    1 nvme 970 evo 1 to on the card and 2 2to sata 850 or 860 ssd that would be a nice solution.

    I also need to be careful with the ram as the c14 can touch not low profile Ram I think.

    I will wait for the gpu release and hope accelero 3 is compatible then start purchasing everything.