NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

EDIT: nevermind, okwchin already found the article and answered it.

It is however remarkable how one could mistake a 12L SFF case for a 31L cheap knock-off. But I've seen worse with consumer electronics I guess.
 
SithSolo1 said:
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The H100i does fit by this way if i install a 3.5" HDD behind ODD?
Like this
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Half Life said:
But he use two drives, right?
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I don't know which build your second photo is from. In the photo I can see only one fan at the bottom of the case, so perhaps the owner has a 3.5 inch drive at the bottom (below the graphics card), between the rear panel and the bottom 120 mm fan.

You can piggy-back two 2.5 inch drives behind the ODD using the included mounting brackets. Theses are narrow plates, one for each side that attach one drive's side holes to the other drive's side holes. However, the combined height of two piggy-backed 2.5 inch drives might collide with the H100i radiator and fans, but I'm not sure.
 
Qrash said:
I don't know which build your second photo is from. In the photo I can see only one fan at the bottom of the case, so perhaps the owner has a 3.5 inch drive at the bottom (below the graphics card), between the rear panel and the bottom 120 mm fan.

You can piggy-back two 2.5 inch drives behind the ODD using the included mounting brackets. Theses are narrow plates, one for each side that attach one drive's side holes to the other drive's side holes. However, the combined height of two piggy-backed 2.5 inch drives might collide with the H100i radiator and fans, but I'm not sure.
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It's from this build http://oliver.st/blog/ncase-m1/, i considering using the 3.5" HDD on the bottom but i want use the two fans for better airflow intake to my 780DCII-OC, but maybe i put on the drive under the PSU.
 
Necere said:
Yeah, it's sold out apparently. You guys all have V1/V2 cases already, right? Because V3 comes with the bracket.
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oh no .... I wanted one for my M1 V1 :(

I just wanted to wait until the SX500-LG from Silversonte is finally available :(
 
Half Life said:
It's from this build http://oliver.st/blog/ncase-m1/, i considering using the 3.5" HDD on the bottom but i want use the two fans for better airflow intake to my 780DCII-OC, but maybe i put on the drive under the PSU.
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Thanks for the link. That's a nice build. I love his custom (shortened) PS cables. I was able to enlarge the photo that you referenced and can now see that there is no 3.5 inch drive beneath the graphics card. Also, you were right, he has two 2.5 inch drives piggybacked together using the included narrow brackets (link to original photo on Flicker). I wonder if you can have two drives like that and still fit the H100i and its fans?
 
Necere said:
Yeah, it's sold out apparently. You guys all have V1/V2 cases already, right? Because V3 comes with the bracket.
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Ouch, I was waiting for the options of TW Air/TW Surface shipping then it was sold out!
Hope we'll get some stock soon with additional shipping options! :D
 
cambrian said:
Are you saying it will be problematic? From the thread, the load temp was 50C for the CPU/GPU, which is very good. If I go with the H220, I would have to buy a GPU block to expand that loop.
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Nah, all I'm saying is... good luck ;)
 
It seems getting hold of reference 980's is awkward at the momnent and even if I managed to get one I would be paying more than I would for a blower design. Is there much difference in noise/temperature between a reference design and a Asus Strix for example?
 
Anagog said:
It seems getting hold of reference 980's is awkward at the momnent and even if I managed to get one I would be paying more than I would for a blower design. Is there much difference in noise/temperature between a reference design and a Asus Strix for example?
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Well in this case you tend to be better off with a 'blower' reference cooler. Usually reference designs are louder, but the custom coolers may actaully be the louder ones as they recycle hot air.
 
This dual radiator build, where one of the radiators is located in the bottom of the case, is a continuing evolution of earlier iterations: 11884.

You may notice that this build is a derivation of one of Necere's earlier conceptions: 1635.


Side View

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Bottom Radiator

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Pump and Reservoir

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Top View

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Top View -- Case Open

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Case Open View

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Interior View

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Slim PWM fans tend to be rare. Some glow.

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Component information for post 14851:


Case: M1 NCase, Version 2 (Thank you again Necere and Wahaha360) https://www.ncases.com/

Power Supply: Silverstone SX600-G http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=524&area=en (I removed the stamped fan grill. Yes, the fan chirps like a bird or cricket.)

Motherboard: ASUS Z97I-Plus http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z97IPLUS/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) SDRAM DDR3 2133 http://poweredbymushkin.com/index.ph...ine/806-997125

GPU: Asus GeForce GTX 980 GTX980-4GD5 http://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/GTX9804GD5/

SSD: Crucial M500 240GB http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/storage-ssd-m500

SSD: Crucial M550 256 M.2 http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/storage-ssd-m550

Reservoir: Koolance http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=57_112 ; Reservoir Body, 60x30mm, 59ml, BDY-TK030; Adjustable Reservoir Bracket, BKT-TKF3; Reservoir Top with Fill Port (60mm OD), COV TKTOP; Pump Fitting & Reservoir Base for PMP-400, Rev.2.1, COV-RP400

Pump: Koolance PMP-400 Pump, ID 10mm (3/8in), PMP-400 http://koolance.com/pmp-400-pump-id-10mm-3-8in

CPU Water Block: Koolance CPU-380I Water Block (Intel Processor), CPU-380I http://koolance.com/cpu-380i-processor-water-block

GPU Water Block: Koolance VID-NX980 Water Block (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Video Card), VID-NX980 http://koolance.com/video-card-vga-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-water-block-vid-nx980

GPU Backplate: Supplied with ASUS GeForce GTX 980 GTX980-4GD5

240 Radiator (upper side panel): Koolance 2x120mm 30-FPI 30mm thick, HX-CU720V http://koolance.com/radiator-2-fan-120mm-30-fpi-copper

240 Radiator (bottom): DarkSide 2x120 17-FPI 27mm thick, LP240 https://www.dazmode.com/store/product/dual-lp240-extra-slim-27mm-radiator/

Fittings: Koolance http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=62_63_99_161
-Compression for 10mm x 13mm (3/8in x 1/2in) NZL-V10-BK
-Swivel Angled Compression for 10mm x 13mm (3/8in x 1/2in) NZL-L10-BK
-Swiveling Elbow NZL-LXG1-BK
-Swiveling Elbow (Low Profile) NZL-LXG2-BK
-Coupling Adapter, 20mm, ADT-XMF-L-BK
-Coupling Adapter, ADT-XMF-BK

Tubing: PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT 3/8in. x 1/2in. Tubing (clear) http://tylernm.wpengine.com/product/...-advanced-lrt/

Coolant: Koolance LIQ-702 Liquid Coolant Bottle, High-Performance, 700mL (UV Blue), LIQ-702BU-B http://koolance.com/liq-702-liquid-coolant-bottle-high-performance-700ml-blue

Fans (upper side panel): Scythe Slip Stream 120 SY1225SL12M http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/fans/slip-stream-120.html

Fans (bottom): Gelid Slim 12 PL Blue, FN-FW12SlimBPL-16 (15.8mm) http://www.gelidsolutions.com/products/index.php?lid=1&cid=2&id=84&tab=2
 
I have a question related to placing radiator and the fans on the sidebracket.

What do you guys recommend?
  1. place the fans that they blow air into the case?
  2. place the fans that they blow air outside the case?

I'm planning to use the Cooler Master Nepton 240m.
 
Nice work GanderGray! Consider please also posting in MrJerico's topic http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1838367&page=4 so that we have the 4x120 rad builds together and easier to find :)


Darth Punk said:
What do you guys recommend?
  1. place the fans that they blow air into the case?
  2. place the fans that they blow air outside the case?
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Always, in any build, test all configurations of fans yourself. Because, while forum posters may have experience with their own builds, they may offer advice that does not take into account all the idiosyncrasies of your build.

Having said that... Radiators work best with fresh air, so best CPU temps will be with air blown into the case (intake). However, that's provided your GPU is a "blower" type with closed shroud. But if your GPU is open-shroud type with axial fans, then radiator with intake might compartmentalise the airflow and make your GPU run hotter. In that case, radiator with fans set to exhaust could improve overall airflow in the case with improved GPU temps at expense of CPU temps.
 
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WiSK said:
Always, in any build, test all configurations of fans yourself. Because, while forum posters may have experience with their own builds, they may offer advice that does not take into account all the idiosyncrasies of your build.

Having said that... Radiators work best with fresh air, so best CPU temps will be with air blown into the case (intake). However, that's provided your GPU is a "blower" type with closed shroud. But if your GPU is open-shroud type with axial fans, then radiator with intake might compartmentalise the airflow and make your GPU run hotter. In that case, radiator with fans set to exhaust could improve overall airflow in the case with improved GPU temps at expense of CPU temps.
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Dank je wel :cool:

That was exactly the reason why I had to ask this question. When looking closely into installation instructions of many AIO coolers, they always seem to recommend to place the fans to push air upwards outside side the case. (2x120mm radiators always seem to be placed on the upside and above the motherboard). However that principle is contradicting with the pictures in the NCASE user gallery found on the ncases.com website.
 
Darth Punk said:
When looking closely into installation instructions of many AIO coolers, they always seem to recommend to place the fans to push air upwards outside side the case. (2x120mm radiators always seem to be placed on the upside and above the motherboard). However that principle is contradicting with the pictures in the NCASE user gallery found on the ncases.com website.
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Generally cases were designed for open air, and hot air rises... so it would make sense that a lot of cases exhaust through the top. With AIO solutions, they don't make the tubing too long, and that means you have very limited options in mounting the radiator - so the top is where a lot of them are mounted.

The problem is, as Wisk says, radiators do work best with fresh air; that is, air from outside of the case. And using a top-mounted intake is a tricky proposition (you have to rethink the airflow for the case).

I think a few posts either here or in the build thread have discussed using the radiators as an exhaust - that is, to push the air from inside the case outside. Again, Wisk's advice is sound - you will want to experiment a little before you finish the build to see what works best for your situation. Remember to change only one thing each time you test (i.e. isolate your changes to one variable) or else you will create a lot more work in trying to figure out what effects are linked to which changes.
 
Qrash said:
Thanks for the link. That's a nice build. I love his custom (shortened) PS cables. I was able to enlarge the photo that you referenced and can now see that there is no 3.5 inch drive beneath the graphics card. Also, you were right, he has two 2.5 inch drives piggybacked together using the included narrow brackets (link to original photo on Flicker). I wonder if you can have two drives like that and still fit the H100i and its fans?
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Me too, maybe i'll cut the cables of my SX-600G. Not exactly, only one 3.5" drive where he has the two drives, i ordered the no odd version, so i'll use my ssd where do goes the odd.


Gandergray said:
Power Supply: Silverstone SX600-G http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=524&area=en (I removed the stamped fan grill. Yes, the fan chirps like a bird or cricket.)
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Can you explain that(the process, results, things like that)? please.
 
Gandergray said:
Power Supply: Silverstone SX600-G http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=524&area=en (I removed the stamped fan grill. Yes, the fan chirps like a bird or cricket.)
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Half Life said:
Can you explain that(the process, results, things like that)? please.
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It's 0.6mm steel, you can use tin snips or even garden secateurs to cut out the grill. Result is less noise from air turbulence and higher airflow.

It does void your warranty of course.

Edit: old picture of ST45SF-G with grill removed
 
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WiSK said:
It's 0.6mm steel, you can use tin snips or even garden secateurs to cut out the grill. Result is less noise from air turbulence and higher airflow.

It does void your warranty of course.

Edit: old picture of ST45SF-G with grill removed
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So, the "bird" sound it's product of the fan grill on the psu?
 
Hello, I am finally building my M1. I am wondering about heatsinks. Will the Noctua U12S and U14S fit? Will I have to sacrifice the 120mm fan on the side if I use either of them? Thank you
 
ncaser said:
Hello, I am finally building my M1. I am wondering about heatsinks. Will the Noctua U12S and U14S fit? Will I have to sacrifice the 120mm fan on the side if I use either of them? Thank you
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Neither of those heatsinks will fit. If you want a tower style heatsink the best you can do is the Noctua NH-U9B SE2. Otherwise if you want to use the top down style the NH-C12 and NH-C14 will fit depending on what board you choose and other storage options you want/need.
 
Half Life said:
So, the "bird" sound it's product of the fan grill on the psu?
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Don't think any of the usual weird SX600-G sounds (bird chirp, fan chatter, dive bomb, coil whine) are due to turbulence caused by the fan grill.

I'm sure there could be such a noise when at high RPM, but I haven't really noticed it.


I think the only noise that actually bothers people, is the fan chatter and coil whine (which can disappear after doing a stress test and getting some heat into the PSU). The fan chatter can be mitigated by having the PSU installed with the intake fan facing the opposite direction from where you are sitting (ie, if the M1 is on your left, then install PSU with intake fan facing inward).
 
WiSK said:
No it's simply coil whine. "Bird sound" was unrelated comment; read again ...
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Oh, i'm at work and i check the thread fast :B

AFD said:
Don't think any of the usual weird SX600-G sounds (bird chirp, fan chatter, dive bomb, coil whine) are due to turbulence caused by the fan grill.

I'm sure there could be such a noise when at high RPM, but I haven't really noticed it.


I think the only noise that actually bothers people, is the fan chatter and coil whine (which can disappear after doing a stress test and getting some heat into the PSU). The fan chatter can be mitigated by having the PSU installed with the intake fan facing the opposite direction from where you are sitting (ie, if the M1 is on your left, then install PSU with intake fan facing inward).
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In other words, tips to reduce the weird sounds:
- Stress the psu (maybe with OCCT?)
- If you use a fan with the side bracket, put the on the psu with the fan to right panel (seeing the case from the front)
Right?
 
Kaos_Drem said:
Neither of those heatsinks will fit. If you want a tower style heatsink the best you can do is the Noctua NH-U9B SE2. Otherwise if you want to use the top down style the NH-C12 and NH-C14 will fit depending on what board you choose and other storage options you want/need.
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OK thanks, I wasn't sure because I thought I saw some builds with very large coolers.

I went with Noctua NH-C12P SE14, Fractal Design Silent Series 92mm Fan, and Bgears Fan Filter 90mm.
 
I just got the SX500-LG. Tried it out a bit and the compatibility with long videocard is indeed not good.
The components I have currently is an experimental build and I knew that not all of these will fit:
Asus M7I
Cryorig C1
Nvidia GeForce GTX970 Reference cooler
Silverstone SX500-LG

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Notice that I didn't put any of the cables on, because it is nearly impossible :cool:
The extra few mms from the V3 bracket might help, but I think it would still be very tight.

Another problem is the orientation of the power plug:
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If I bend the cable sharp enough then I might be able to squeeze it in the bracket but it would be a bit scary so I did not try that.

Besides the problem with the PSU, I confirmed that Cryorig C1 on Asus M7I won't fit in the NCASE M1 with the SFX bracket. It would interfere with the PSU, by only a few mms. :(

Feel free to let me know if you want me to try something out or take more pictures.
Any suggestions on how to fix my build is also welcome and appreciated :D
 
Why is the NH-C12 more preferred than the C14 in this build? The C14 has better temps overall I thought.

I was thinking of using an H100i in my M1, but due to the rad/tubing size, would an air cooler be a better choice since it would free up most of the case? With so many discussion pages about what fits and what doesn't, there has hardly been much discussion about actual temps. Perhaps I'm looking in all the wrong places though.

I just got the SX500-LG. Tried it out a bit and the compatibility with long videocard is indeed not good.
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Dang, I was hoping this would solve my dilemma with the SX600-G.
 
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Tschus said:
I just got the SX500-LG.

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Feel free to let me know if you want me to try something out or take more pictures.
Any suggestions on how to fix my build is also welcome and appreciated :D
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Where'd you get an SX500-LG?!

The V3 bracket will help with both your issues. Not sure if the extra 3mm height will be enough but that lip is shortened so the AC cord fits.
 
If you don't need both 120mm intakes, try and see if you can mount it using the ATX bracket + adapter plate. Maybe you can even mount the adapter plate on the "outside" to buy yourself a couple millimeters.
 
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