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I do have one question for the OP... you clearly feel bad for the pirates, but how do you feel about the devs who are affected by their actions?
What stop router manufacturers from doing something like this if you load dd-wrt on to a router because they just came out with a higher functional model?
Where as i had 3 modded xboxes so that i could run XBMC on them to basically get extender capabilities out of them before microsoft decided to add this feature. I would kill to be able to get XBMC on the 360. But i dont see this happening.
As for the backed up game part, I have a 5 year old nephew that lives with me and although i dont have a modded 360 i would see the ability to back up the games a god send. Barring that i would like to see what was suggested in the News section on this topic, the ability to take a scratched or damaged disk and send it back for a inexpensive replacement (at or near cost). I have already had one disk nearly destroyed after the console was bumped while playing. Luckly after quite a bit of resurfacing and repairing i was able to get the ring scratches out of the disk.
Ok, let me put it another way. Had it just been the Live ban, and not the install issue would you be singing a different tune?
All that happens with the profile is that if you decide to keep using it after your ban it becomes locked to that console, and that console alone. If you transfer it immediately after your ban (before you play / save any more games) then it still works. You can also still download your profile from XBL if you choose to get a new box.
Nothing gets corrupted, simply locked.
When someone modifies their Xbox and uses it to connect to live they have already shown a lack of respect for the policy.
Therefore they are at that point no longer obligated to support extender or loading from hard drive.
Not supporting is different than actively disabling the feature.
People... it's a service.
Live is a service with it's own seperate rights and rules. If it chooses to ban an illegaly modified console, then sobeit, because the console is sold seperately from Live, and always has been. Access to the service is a priviledge, not a right.
People.... Please read.
Microsoft is going to the point where they are blocking 3rd party hardware and disabling offline functionality.
This is not about blocking live...
People.... Please read.
Microsoft is going to the point where they are blocking 3rd party hardware and disabling offline functionality.
This is not about blocking live...
When will your lawsuit against apple be going live?
Microsoft has recently released a mandatory update to their Xbox 360 gaming console
which has 2 intentional effect designed to cripple the consoles functionality
and to corrupt data on the systems.
Once again, I am not a lawyer, however I am aware that Connecticut has statutes in place that cover “computer crimes” and under Connecticut statutes chapter 949g section 53-541 defines a computer as :
“Computer" means an electronic, magnetic or optical device or group of devices that, pursuant to a computer program, human instruction or permanent instructions contained in the device or group of devices, can automatically perform computer operations with or on computer data and can communicate the results to another computer or to a person. "Computer" includes any connected or directly related device, equipment or facility that enables the computer to store, retrieve or communicate computer programs, computer data or the results of computer operations to or from a person, another computer or another device.
Under this definition the Xbox 360 is an electronic device (which also incorporates magnetic and optical storage devices) that pursuant to a computer program (game either stored on optical or magnetic media), human instruction (input via game controller) automatically perform computer operations with or on computer data and can communicate the results to another computer or to a person (via networking, the internet to other xbox consoles, or the television screen to the user).
Also in this statute it defines the following:
(14) A person is "without authority" when such person (A) has no right or permission of the owner to use a computer or such person uses a computer in a manner exceeding such right or permission
(b) Unauthorized use of a computer or computer network. It shall be unlawful for any person to use a computer or computer network without authority and with the intent to:
(1) Temporarily or permanently remove, halt or otherwise disable any computer data, computer programs or computer software from a computer or computer network;
Under this definition it could be argued that Microsoft corrupting game and user profile data as well as disabling functionality of the console even outside of their online service would fall into this category. Even if the End user license agreement were to grant Microsoft permission to perform this destructive action it could also be argued that this agreement would be unconscionable and that the average person would be unaware of what they were providing authorization for and if they were aware would not willingly provide Microsoft authorization to corrupt and disable their data.
They get permission and authority when you chose to download the update, with the TOS (not EULA, this is a service) effectively acting as the notice of what may potentially be in any given update.
G. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS
The software included in the Xbox Product is licensed to you, not sold. You are licensed to use such software only in your Xbox Product and you may not reverse engineer it, except as expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.
Attempting to defeat or circumvent the Xbox Product security or anti-piracy protection system may cause your Xbox Product to stop working permanently. It will also void your Limited Warranty, and may make your Xbox Product ineligible for authorized repair, even for a fee.
My favorite part of that letter was the "unjust enrichment" bit. Yes, I'm sure the AG totally believes you're not a lawyer, and would probably thank you for providing their entertainment for the day.
I'd love to see them go and sue you for violating the TOS, personally. I'm guessing you wouldn't like that end of the stick very much, would you?
In an interesting coincidence, I might have seen a little bit or two of business law in my MBA classes. So, no, not impressed.I am not a lawyer, I did take business law in school as an elective and actually paid attention and enjoyed the class so i have an understanding of basic legal theories.
It wouldn't even matter if it was - such a device is protected by the DMCA AFAIK. But, then again, the DMCA doesn't force Microsoft to allow such interoperability, either. A lawsuit about the memory cards would probably fail miserably, given that they explicitly warn against unauthorized hardware in the TOS. This doesn't make it right, but it does make it legal.As for violation of the ToS, what violations would that be? Is using a datel memory card a violation of the ToS?
Of what consequence is savegame modification to other players on XBL?It is about blocking hackers, at any rate. 3rd party memory can have physical 'backdoors' to allow savegame modifications.
Heh. Your participation in this thread has been invaluable.lol dumbass I hope the AG investigates you for stealing your pirated software.....
Obviously. This is the case with all software.So this is quite interesting... apparently whilst you own the actual 360, you don't own the software which runs on it. The software is just licensed to you.
You do own the X360, however, just not the license to resell the technologies it operates on. If Microsoft is able to disable core hardware functionality via XBL, this is very problematic for consumers. Even if not illegal, this is not something consumers should support.So much for MS fucking with something you own.
I could see if they were adding bigger hard drives and they got banned. But stealing games? You can't be serious.
Give me a break. Pirate mods console, gets access to free games... and loses access to Live. Oh yeah, they're really giving them a kicking. Would you have them put a little warning on the dashboard telling them they've all been naughty and should stop? Perhaps a box of flowers and a letter asking them nicely not to do it again?
Had they bricked the console, I'd probably agree. Though I'd rather they used the evidence they collected to take every last one of them to court in whatever countries have the appropriate laws in place.
You do realise you missed the precedent for this sort of stuff by years right? Why act now?