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My 9800X3D died

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just not seeing the benefits of X3D @ 4K to be honest across Cyberpunk 2077 and also 3DMark Steel Nomad / Speedway ...

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Why is there so much paste on the socket latch? Hah
 
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erek said:
just not seeing the benefits of X3D @ 4K to be honest across Cyberpunk 2077 and also 3DMark Steel Nomad / Speedway ...
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That's because your RTX 5090 is doing the heavy lifting. The CPU does less work the higher the resolution.

erek said:
also is VCORE and SOC too high?
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They're both fine, the unofficial rule of thumb is not to go over 1.3V for either. Most typically undervolt by 0.01V until it's unstable, that way you know the lowest stable voltages.
 
THUMPer said:
Why is there so much paste on the socket latch? Hah
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i was a bit sloppy and negligent during CPU swaps

i actually didn’t clean the mating surfaces each individual time during tests
 
erek You can also look at Zentimings to see if everything agrees or if there is some room for improvement as well.
 
erek said:
just not seeing the benefits of X3D @ 4K to be honest across Cyberpunk 2077 and also 3DMark Steel Nomad / Speedway ...
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Just depends upon the game.

Nvidia drivers have a fair amount of CPU overhead. So, if you have a game which is also pretty CPU dependant, you can see poor framerate scaling, as you lower resolution. And even as you lower your GPU tier.

Here is an example:


40K:Space Marine 2

View: https://youtu.be/kNCYKBqA7m4?si=9NrcILMtASvgWE-p&t=636

A. Across the 3 main resolutions 1080p/1440p/4K: each CPU maintains an extremely similar Framerate, regardless of the GPU. This is a classic CPU limitation. Its only at 4K where the 5090 separates itself a little bit------with the X3D.

B. Additionally, look at how close the framerate of the 9070 non-XT tracks with two more powerful Nvidia GPUs in 40K Space Marine. Additionally, the 5090 doesn't perform any better here than the 5080, until 4K creates a scenario where you get some GPU limitation, so the X3D has a chance to wrangle a few extra frames over the other GPUs with the 5090. And the 5080 does show a small gap witih the two slower (for gaming) CPUs.
If you also click back to R6:Siege, the 9070 performs just as well at 1080P, as both Nvidia GPUs. Driver overhead.

This video is both a glimpse at Nvidia's driver overhead. And also a glimpse at how CPU demands can vary a lot, game-to-game.
Cyberpunk doesn't actually have big CPU demands, nowadays. So, the GPU tends to become its main limitation. And higher settings/Higher resolutions result in little separation between CPUs.
 
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now i’m dealing with MicroSlop having deactivated my Windows Digital License from using the 9700X to troubleshoot. It won’t reactivate and Microsoft Support representatives can’t get it to reactivate either so now they’re escalating it up the chain
 
erek said:
now i’m dealing with MicroSlop having deactivated my Windows Digital License from using the 9700X to troubleshoot. It won’t reactivate and Microsoft Support representatives can’t get it to reactivate either so now they’re escalating it up the chain
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Massgrave
 
On AM4 I would bounce between my 5800X3D and 5900X weekly it seems. I play at 4K and I preferred my 5900X for the games I played. Though some 3D benchmarks said it was worse than the R7. Whatever..
 
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erek said:
now i’m dealing with MicroSlop having deactivated my Windows Digital License from using the 9700X to troubleshoot. It won’t reactivate and Microsoft Support representatives can’t get it to reactivate either so now they’re escalating it up the chain
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That's strange, usually it's associated with Mobo + (eventually) Storage. I'm replacing nearly 4 processors on my current Mobo and I have no problem with that, but I'm using an online profile, not a local one.
 
AVATARAT said:
That's strange, usually it's associated with Mobo + (eventually) Storage. I'm replacing nearly 4 processors on my current Mobo and I have no problem with that, but I'm using an online profile, not a local one.
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i have a local account that also logs into the online

should i do entirely native online account?
 
erek said:
i have a local account that also logs into the online

should i do entirely native online account?
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Just wait for a response from MS, they will fix it.

With the Pro version, you have 3 changes on your Mobo, first registration + 2 more.
 
AVATARAT said:
Just wait for a response from MS, they will fix it.

With the Pro version, you have 3 changes on your Mobo, first registration + 2 more.
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Hmm, 3 changes of hardware on the same mobo

or 3 mobo changes?
 
erek said:
but i haven’t done a single mobo change
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If the AI is right:

Key Hardware Components Windows Activation Monitors:​


  • Motherboard (main factor)
  • CPU
  • Hard drive or SSD
  • Network adapter (MAC address)
  • RAM (less critical but sometimes considered)

When Windows activates, it creates a hardware ID (HWID) based on a combination of these components to validate the license.
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So your Windows may be waiting for confirmation from MS if it cannot resolve the issue itself.
 
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You can also restore from a cloud backup if you are using your account. I have had this key since 10 came out, and I have had probably 10-15 computers tied to it. If they get sick of your shit, just back up from a cloud restore.
 
chameleoneel said:
A. Across the 3 main resolutions 1080p/1440p/4K: each CPU maintains an extremely similar Framerate, regardless of the GPU. This is a classic CPU limitation. Its only at 4K where the 5090 separates itself a little bit------with the X3D.
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Yeah I was gonna say the X3D chips only really offer a boost when you are playing 1080p esports titles (trying to hit 300+ FPS) or CPU heavy games like Factorio. Turning the resolution up to 4K you won't see much of an impact usually.
 
ivandagiant said:
Yeah I was gonna say the X3D chips only really offer a boost when you are playing 1080p esports titles (trying to hit 300+ FPS) or CPU heavy games like Factorio. Turning the resolution up to 4K you won't see much of an impact usually.
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That’s only partially true. X3d chips really shine at instances of cpu bottleneck, not necessarily only “lower resolution” titles.

In other words, the resolution where games get more cpu bottlenecked is more an effect than cause. An older fps/competitive title might get 300fps at 4k while Alan Wake gets 40fps - so yes the X3d should have a bigger affect on the higher fps game but it’ll be at all resolutions.

And yes, “cpu intensive” titles should get a boost with the X3d chip but not if the bottleneck is the GPU.

For the majority of gamers the X3d should be the last upgrade item. The processing power should last a long while, but for current gaming enjoyment/performance there are other upgrades which have more benefit IMO
 
ivandagiant said:
Yeah I was gonna say the X3D chips only really offer a boost when you are playing 1080p esports titles (trying to hit 300+ FPS) or CPU heavy games like Factorio. Turning the resolution up to 4K you won't see much of an impact usually.
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Carefull or you are going to summon the group of people that play their games at 720p/1080p on a RTX5090 and telling you how much a CPU means and that if you play pathtraced games at maximum graphical settings at 2160p (GPU limited) you are doing it wrong and are a very bad person :whistle:
 
yinzerniner said:
That’s only partially true. X3d chips really shine at instances of cpu bottleneck, not necessarily only “lower resolution” titles.

In other words, the resolution where games get more cpu bottlenecked is more an effect than cause. An older fps/competitive title might get 300fps at 4k while Alan Wake gets 40fps - so yes the X3d should have a bigger affect on the higher fps game but it’ll be at all resolutions.

And yes, “cpu intensive” titles should get a boost with the X3d chip but not if the bottleneck is the GPU.

For the majority of gamers the X3d should be the last upgrade item. The processing power should last a long while, but for current gaming enjoyment/performance there are other upgrades which have more benefit IMO
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I always chuckle when I see someone with eg. a RTX5060 and an X3D CPU, they could have saved some money and gotten a better GPU, but the herd instinct is strong these days.
Usual I have gotten 3-4 GPU generations out of a CPU.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Carefull or you are going to summon the group of people that play their games at 720p/1080p on a RTX5090 and telling you how much a CPU means and that if you play pathtraced games at maximum graphical settings at 2160p (GPU limited) you are doing it wrong and are a very bad person :whistle:
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Haha

i did see some reviews of when the up scaling technology starts to fall apart, but heard even if almost down to 360p it’s still basically viable (is this mention even relevant or germane to the conversation?) 🤔

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1qaujgi/rdr2_360p_native_vs_dlss_45_ultra_performance/

https://www.xda-developers.com/i-tried-gaming-in-360p-with-dlss-45-and-the-results-left-me-shocked/
 
erek said:
Haha

i did see some reviews of when the up scaling technology starts to fall apart, but heard even if almost down to 360p it’s still basically viable (is this mention even relevant or germane to the conversation?) 🤔

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1qaujgi/rdr2_360p_native_vs_dlss_45_ultra_performance/

https://www.xda-developers.com/i-tried-gaming-in-360p-with-dlss-45-and-the-results-left-me-shocked/
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View: https://youtu.be/uYHJeF5HmDU?si=NUJPW940ai7gZc0H&t=65

This video is insane to me, specifically at the linked timestamp. You can see how pixelated the walker outline is because DLSS isn't doing anything to it. This stuff is straight up magic.
 
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erek said:
is it relevant? may be just ancillary details i focused on adjacently to the OP’s reference to people who run 720p/1080p (jokingly? mockingly even?)
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It was a "tounge in check" to people not GPU limiting their games and not being aware how little difference between CPU's there actually are when you play 4K games with pathtracing and +90% GPU load.
Your CyperPunk 2077 numbers show (with in variance) that both your CPU's performs identical because you are GPU limited (they way it is meant to be played :playful:)

That is also why I ignore 720p/1080p "CPU benchmarks" as they tell me nothing about my 4K max settings performance, but that does not generated clicks so most "reviewers" skate over that fact.
Sadly it makes some poeple spend to much on their CPU money to could be better spent on a higher GPU SKU (depending on their monitor resolution/imagequality likes) for better FPS/image quality in games.
 
My previous processor was a 9700x, compared to the current 9800x3D, I can say that you won't see a difference in the reviews.
Or too rarely does someone talk about the flawlessness of the image when you look right<->left, and why x3D sorts the frames better.

Or when there are too many small objects, x3D loads them faster. A good example is Horizon Zero Down Benchmark in the first 10-15 seconds. That's where you just need more cores/threads to catch up with what x3D actually does. And I know this because I tested the 7900x there, which manages to load multiple objects well due to the higher number of cores/threads.

Overall, even a 6-core processor is enough for undemanding gaming, and with a card like the XX60. But if we look at the details, there is a difference, and it cannot be ignored.
 
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Version 3842
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2026/03/27
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"1. AGESA updated to ComboAM5 PI 1.3.0.0a.
2. Provide additional stability margin during high-frequency DDR5 training.
3. Addresses potential boot failures and stability issues observed on certain Ryzen 9000 configurations.
4. Resolves an issue where systems might unexpectedly prompt for a BitLocker recovery key during startup.
 
erek said:
i am curious too

wondering if my motherboard slowly killed the 9800X3D, but i had no symptoms, crashes or anything

all i did was shutdown the pc, and switch off the PSU for 1 day
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Quality surge protector? I've lost components due to power outages and being directly connected to the wall.
Even with PSU switch off that might not be enough to prevent overvoltage. May need to be physically disconnected.
 
If he is running an ASUS board then it might break randomly. Still a better story than Asrock I am told.
 
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yep it’s an ASUS motherboard
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I am assuming you already know this. Just run it around 1.25 VSOC or something and it shouldn't break. I know recommended is 1.3 V for these but better to have some headroom for those odd spikes.
I run my 9950X3D at 1.2 I think.
 
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Over the past few months, BIOS versions have significantly lowered the VSOC, so it’s best to try a lower value.
On my Asrock, the default setting is 1.20 V, but after extensive testing, I found that it runs stably only at a very low voltage, i.e., 1.125 V.
From what I know, it’s the same with Asus because AGESA sets it that way.

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