Oh okay. That's interesting. I would use the 1700 kit, then.No. 1151 was shorter and 1700 taller.
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Oh okay. That's interesting. I would use the 1700 kit, then.No. 1151 was shorter and 1700 taller.
Why is that?Neither or those would be equivalent to a good 360 AIO. Closest thing is probably the regular non-S D15.
because a good 360 aio will out perform air...Why is that?
Why is that?
But, I believe those two air coolers are as close to AIOs as they come? Gamers Nexus tested the Fuma 2, I believe. The performance was pretty good. I guess I am just nitpicking but the D15S is in that review - it's not too bad. I noticed the Dark Rock Pro 4 is in there, too - I'll be using it for a while but I initially wanted an AIO, myself - but getting it for free. Also, I dunno if all AIOs are created equal?: Some perform better than others and then there's the variance on fans the manufacturer chooses and pump noise - different mfr'ers of the pump etc.?Because a largish AIO cooler is able to dissipate more heat. It's not rocket science. Look at just about any 360mm AIO review. They generally perform 3-5C minimum better than an air cooler.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/arctic_liquid_freezer_ii_360_a_rgb_review,10.html
Not to mention you have any number of ways you can mount an AIO so as to pre-determine where the heat from your CPU goes rather than have it concentrated in one area.
But, I believe those two air coolers are as close to AIOs as they come? Gamers Nexus tested the Fuma 2, I believe. The performance was pretty good. I guess I am just nitpicking but the D15S is in that review - it's not too bad. I noticed the Dark Rock Pro 4 is in there, too - I'll be using it for a while but I initially wanted an AIO, myself - but getting it for free. Also, I dunno if all AIOs are created equal?: Some perform better than others and then there's the variance on fans the manufacturer chooses and pump noise - different mfr'ers of the pump etc.?
The other issue is the Arctic Liquid Freezer II performs at the top of most AIOs - but, the design of the rad is larger/thicker than most so you also have issues with fitting especially if you top-mount - there's youtube videos where reviewers talk about that - the room at the very top of the case and clearance with the top of the motherboard - has to be determined. I just mention this, because the current AIO performance is probably using the ALF II as 'the standard?'
I agree with you - as I have posted a bunch of times - I want to use an AIO but I over-extended my budget.... so, I have to use an air cooler I got for free.Buy what works best for you. The D15S is a single fan version of the D15 though. The dual fan regular D15 will out perform it.
I'm not saying that an air cooler can't be good. I'm saying that a 360mm AIO will almost always out perform it even with a smaller radiator and weaker fans. I have no idea what you mean by "the standard" because you can go read any number of reviews about 360mm AIOs. Pick the one you're looking at and type "review" after it in a Google box. I have an EK Basic 360 AIO. At the time I bought it, it was $5 more expensive than the D15 Chromax Black, but I'm getting much better cooling for the money. I would guess in the 5-10C range, and I don't have to worry about it interfering with random VRM heatsinks on my Z690 board.
Not sure, but, IIRC, it's only the Asus (Z690) Strix series that has the heat sink interference problem - and it's only with the fat air coolers - but, those happen to be the better air coolers - from Noctua, Be Quiet etc. I don't know if other motherboard brands/ (MSI, Asrock, Gigabyte etc.) have motherboard models that encounter the same interference issue.With Alder lake, cooler factories should have upgrade and replenish their offer for air coolers. VRM heatsink interference with tower coolers shouldn't be an issue at all. I don't understand why there aren't new models to tackle this.
I don't understand why there aren't new models to tackle this.
That hasn't been my experience.12900k has trouble being cooled by 360 AIOs. That's ridiculous. Modern day P4 but with actual performance to back it up lol
Send to Intel these 2 to investigate.Just wanted to add that I've now worked on 4x different 12900K(S) systems and I think there are some bad Intel CPUs out there as well. I've seen 2 out of 4 CPUs thermal throttle and power throttle at stock speeds while the others can be overclocked with no throttling. I think this comes down to some CPUs having nearly defective cores that requires so much voltage to run that they throttle at stock speeds. With that said, I don't think this affects most gamers because these nearly defective CPUs only seem to exhibit these problems when stressed on All Core workloads.
I did, but I don't think most customers have enough samples or do the stress testing to know this is happening. That's the bigger reason I raised this.Send to Intel these 2 to investigate.
I did, but I don't think most customers have enough samples or do the stress testing to know this is happening. That's the bigger reason I raised this.
For anyone wondering, the two unstable CPUs were SP89 & SP87 while the stable ones were SP85 & SP94. I don't think that SP rating is entirely an indicator of whether an Alder Lake chip may be problematic.
because a good 360 aio will out perform air...
ok.Personally I'll never go back to an aio after using the D15. The pump in an aio is just one more thing that can go bad and it's a pain to deal with. Also I never have to worry about a leak occurring. Performance is on par with the best aios..
Thanks for the welcome!ok.
it can, but ive never had one die before it was swapped out.
never had a leak either.
nope, 4-7.5c difference is not "on par"
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Good to hear, I just got done building my 12900KF with the D15 yesterday. I am a little worried about temps but prefer air to a AIO. Cannot test the system out until tomorrow when the graphics card arrives.I run a d15 with both fans in a 12900 in a torrent compact case with the 2 180mm fans for intake. On a hot day with vray rendering it peaks at about 95c.
Options are to either under volt or just limit the power to 190w. Or use a renderer that’s gpu based. That’s what I ended up doing. Gpu is 10x faster and and barely touches the cpu so cpu temps are non issue. Vray, octane and redshift and even blender cycles have gpu rendering so you got options.
You should be fine as long as your build isn't in an ultra-SFF ITX case that is choked for airflow. The D15 cools on par with most 240mm AIOs and maybe even better, depending on manufacturer and model. It will put any 120-140 to shame and only be outperformed by 280s and up.Good to hear, I just got done building my 12900KF with the D15 yesterday. I am a little worried about temps but prefer air to a AIO. Cannot test the system out until tomorrow when the graphics card arrives.
If I undervolt by just .05, my Cinebench temps drop from 95 down to 82.Good to hear, I just got done building my 12900KF with the D15 yesterday. I am a little worried about temps but prefer air to a AIO. Cannot test the system out until tomorrow when the graphics card arrives.
Yikes! That's not good...Looks like I have to wait. Graphics card showed up and this box has been opened. Not touching that with a 10 foot pole. Thanks Amazon.
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