Microsoft To Acquire Adobe?

Wshmaster0 said:
All those commenting that "oh it took me 10 min to get used to the interface, bla bla bla".. 90% of every other program has yet to adopt this "ribbon interface" so for all I care MS just did this to be different.

The question is why. There was no need to change it.
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Honestly, I can't even think of a single other program that had menus nested as deeply as Office 2003 that were core functionality. Even other complex programs like 3DS Max, Blender, and Photoshop didn't have menus nested as deeply that you need to use on a regular basis.

MS changed it because what Office evolved into was a shitty UI that was very hard to navigate and even harder to discover new features. The ribbon largely solves that. There may not have been a "need" to change it, but you also don't "need" a faster computer, or a prettier UI, etc... They changed it to make it better, and IMO they succeeded at that.
 
This is actually kind of intresting in what the impact could be and without Silverlight in the equation a lot of overlap, but the big question mark would be the future of Silverlight/Flash. Personally I think Silverlight it great, a very powerful and straight forward platform that runs inside and out of a browser, very much like Flash though cleaner.

Realistically a combined Microsoft/Adobe would have to support both products forever I would think. Just FAR too much Flash and just enough Silverlight to piss a lot of people off if either were to die.

But I do see Microsoft FAVORING Silverlight, even creating first class conversion wizards and that sort of thing.

But maybe Microsoft should buy AMD, no THAT would be very, very, very intresting but I'm sure that it would never happen, don't see how this wouldn't piss off a LOT of Microsoft's critical partners and customers like Intel for one.
 
Major_A said:
You're right, it's only a grand.
https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/st...=/Applications/PhotoshopExtended&store=OLS-US
Granted that price is from the horse's mouth and you can find it cheaper, I'm just trying to make a point that PS is way too damn expensive for a photo editing app.
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That's the extended version. Regular Photoshop CS5 is $699 from Adobe.

https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/st...hotoshop&view=ols_prod&loc=en_us&store=OLS-US

I do agree that it's too expensive though. I'd say the upgrade pricing they have on it is about where the full retail price should be.
 
Exavior said:
Silverlight works under IE, Chrome and firefox for windows. On the Mac it works under Safari and Firefox
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Agreed, I have no problem with Silverlight and Firefox

Exavior said:
not completely true

Silverlight for linux --> http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight

It is a little behind the offical silverlight releases. Stable version is 2, 3 is in beta form while silverlight itself just release 4 not too long ago. although according to the site, moonlight 3 should be final Q3 and the alpha of 4 should be released around then. However netflix will not work as it doesn't support the require DRM stuff for that.
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I'm sure they are out there, but I cannot think of a single application for Silverlight other than Netflix. The fact that Microsoft intentionally excludes *nix users from Silverlight and consequently Netflix annoys me immensely. There are *nix based stand-alone boxes which run Netflix so it is definitely technically possible, Microsoft just chooses to excluded their competition. I can't image the joining of MS and Adobe doing anything positive from a consumer stand point.
 
Isn't HTML5 supposed to basically make the web universal in terms of protocols like Flash, Silverlight, etc.?
 
Wshmaster0 said:
Screw Silverlight, I can't watch my Netflix on Firefox because of that POS software. I'm not a big fan of flash but at least it does what I want it to do (most of the time).
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I watch Netflix on firefox on my acer one netbook nearly every night. What error does it give you.
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whrswoldo said:
Agreed, I have no problem with Silverlight and Firefox



I'm sure they are out there, but I cannot think of a single application for Silverlight other than Netflix. The fact that Microsoft intentionally excludes *nix users from Silverlight and consequently Netflix annoys me immensely. There are *nix based stand-alone boxes which run Netflix so it is definitely technically possible, Microsoft just chooses to excluded their competition. I can't image the joining of MS and Adobe doing anything positive from a consumer stand point.
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I don't think it's Microsoft's intention - denying the competition. Linux isn't a competition anyways. It's more like they don't have the time or desire to write for multiple platforms and be saddled with the financial burden of licensing each of them. Netflix has DRM in it after all.
 
JayteeBates said:
Wshmaster0 said:
Screw Silverlight, I can't watch my Netflix on Firefox because of that POS software. I'm not a big fan of flash but at least it does what I want it to do (most of the time).
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I watch Netflix on firefox on my acer one netbook nearly every night. What error does it give you.
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Probably PEBKAC error from the sound of his posts.
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I would love to see them buy Adobe. I think the products would be more solid and they could be updated with Windows Update.
 
I doubt MS will acquire Adobe, Adobe may have problems with Flash and Acrobat when it comes to security but their Production Suites are still very strong. My guess is MS and Adobe are teaming up to find some solutions to Flash and Acrobat's security issues, since if either of those are breached, Windows is probably the OS.

PS: I still cant believe people are against the office ribbon,lol, well that differentiates the mac people from the PC people, PC guys are really hard to change :D
 
dyzophoria said:
PS: I still cant believe people are against the office ribbon,lol, well that differentiates the mac people from the PC people, PC guys are really hard to change :D
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Easy now! I OK with the ribbon, but there is no way I'm going to be grouped as a Mac user! ;)
 
botw said:
Apple would be in trouble with the graphics community if it lost access to Adobe products. But since apple pcs can all run Windows, they never really will. That said, it must suck to buy an apple PC to then run it as a more expensive windows box.
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Well, a "Mac" *is* an x86, "100% IBM-PC compatible" clone, isn't it? OS X is an x86 OS just like Windows, which is why they both boot natively on the same machine. The shame of things is that Apple keeps OS X tied to Apple's hardware, and won't allow its release into the broader x86-clone marketplace--where it might actually compete with Windows for market share, for the first time.
 
botw said:
Apple would be in trouble with the graphics community if it lost access to Adobe products. But since apple pcs can all run Windows, they never really will. That said, it must suck to buy an apple PC to then run it as a more expensive windows box.
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I must have missed the news item! When did apple rejoin the graphics community? :confused:
 
I wonder if this would kill PDF.

...and if Adobe Audition would become the Garage Band/Logic franchise for Windows.
 
I hope MS does buy it out. Adobe's distribution model for EVERYTHING blows a huge fat dick.

Downloading flash and updating adobe reader makes me want to punch babies in the face. I swear it never seems to work right the first time.
 
Major_A said:
Granted that price is from the horse's mouth and you can find it cheaper, I'm just trying to make a point that PS is way too damn expensive for a photo editing app.
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Wow, that is a lot more expensive than I remembered. Point taken.
However, I can't say that that is too expensive considering it's an industry design program. Adobe Photoshop Elements is for hobbyists/casual users and it's $80. On the flip side, you have a Nvidia Quadro card "designed" for CS4's openGL acceleration features for $2000. Now that, I feel, is a ripoff. (not that any big company would care)

Also, considering that I can create concept/production art from inside Photoshop and use its extensive photo editing tools to do things that once required a Xerox machine, a lot of math, a pair of scissors and tape, or extensive pre-planning/reworking, and a HUGE investment of time, it's worth every penny. This, erm, coming from someone who never paid for a copy of Photoshop all the way from version 6 to 10/cs3. *cough*
 
dyzophoria said:
I doubt MS will acquire Adobe, Adobe may have problems with Flash and Acrobat when it comes to security but their Production Suites are still very strong. My guess is MS and Adobe are teaming up to find some solutions to Flash and Acrobat's security issues, since if either of those are breached, Windows is probably the OS.

PS: I still cant believe people are against the office ribbon,lol, well that differentiates the mac people from the PC people, PC guys are really hard to change :D
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I freaking hate the ribbon. I wish they would go back to the style of office 2003. It is the same reason that I added the classic XP start menu style back to Windows 7.
 
Jarod888 said:
I freaking hate the ribbon. I wish they would go back to the style of office 2003. It is the same reason that I added the classic XP start menu style back to Windows 7.
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Why would you want the XP style start menu? It doesn't have search o_O
 
I used to work with word and excel documents on a daily basis, and let me tell you the ribbon interface is the best thing to happen in quite awhile. There are something like 200+ commands that used to be buried in the old interface, and the new ribbon opens that up.
Keep in mind too, that MS was thinking about touchscreen monitors. The ribbon interface should be easier to use (haven't done so myself) than the old one if you go touchscreen.
 
whrswoldo said:
Agreed, I have no problem with Silverlight and Firefox



I'm sure they are out there, but I cannot think of a single application for Silverlight other than Netflix. The fact that Microsoft intentionally excludes *nix users from Silverlight and consequently Netflix annoys me immensely. There are *nix based stand-alone boxes which run Netflix so it is definitely technically possible, Microsoft just chooses to excluded their competition. I can't image the joining of MS and Adobe doing anything positive from a consumer stand point.
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I would blame Novell on that one. Microsoft gave them access to all the code for them to make moonlight be a port to linux. And that makes sense to me, why should Microsoft try to focus on the linux stuff when that isn't that large of a base compared to windows and they don't have any experience there. Outsource to somebody that does linux programming and knows what they are doing in that area better than you do. So that is what they did, they teamed up with Novell and give them access to all the .net stuff so that they can make linux versions. The question is what is missing (if anything) from the *nix os that keeps them from doing DRM? Or does it have something to do with somebody not wanting the DRM code stuff being posted online via open source?

doctah said:
I wonder if this would kill PDF.

...and if Adobe Audition would become the Garage Band/Logic franchise for Windows.
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I don't see them killing off PDF it is far to popular. I would see them killing off XPS first and replacing that with PDF

riot8ap said:
I used to work with word and excel documents on a daily basis, and let me tell you the ribbon interface is the best thing to happen in quite awhile. There are something like 200+ commands that used to be buried in the old interface, and the new ribbon opens that up.
Keep in mind too, that MS was thinking about touchscreen monitors. The ribbon interface should be easier to use (haven't done so myself) than the old one if you go touchscreen.
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yeah, it is much easier to deal with the ribbons then any old sytle menu.
 
Exavior said:
yeah, it is much easier to deal with the ribbons then any old sytle menu.
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Yeah the ribbon thing is kind of interesting. Newbies to Office seem to love it, experienced folks seem to hate it at first but in time even most of them seem to adjust pretty well and a few of these folks even begin to like it.

From my view point I think overall the Ribbon is a good thing. It’s much more touch friendly overall than classic menus but still could use improvements in that area that I’m sure are coming in the next version of Office. Plus it easier to discover functions with the ribbon, it’s an interface that does show you a lot of stuff without having to dig into tons of menus.

I think that Microsoft had to do the ribbon for a number of reasons; first and foremost being that Office is old and a new look I don’t think was such a bad thing.
 
RumpleForeSkin said:
What a mind Bottle may look like
brain-in-jar.jpg
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hehehe
 
kllrnohj said:
Maybe he needs a check to get a mate? *shrug* ;)
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So maybe "check" then "mate"? I wonder when the check was, and if there is a move in chess where you own half their pawns?

But I dont see how it would change things. crApple is a "consumer" level operator, and has been for some time. Probably of the low percentage (probably less than 20% now) of their income that comes from "computers" (rather than over priced low quality mp3s, mp3 players, phones, giant phones and some kind of tv thing) a smaller still percentage is "professional" workstations and laptops.
 
Wshmaster0 said:
Screw Silverlight, I can't watch my Netflix on Firefox because of that POS software. I'm not a big fan of flash but at least it does what I want it to do (most of the time).

Office.. what a joke.. Last decent version of that software was 2003.. after that it was downhill with MS's attempt at reinventing the File Edit View menu.
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I still haven't figured out a reason to "need" silverlight yet. And I have definitely seen a fair share of bugs from installing it to view content I wanted to see, and not being able to view it anyways, even after installing Silverlight. It's really been more of a mixed bag than anything. But then again, so is Flash, really.

But as for Office ...

DracoDan said:
I remember how I thought the same exact thing the first time I tried to use their ribbon interface... 10 minutes later I was pondering why things hadn't always been like this for every application in existence. Give it a serious try for yourself, you might be surprised.
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Draco speaks the truth. Once I became converted I became considerably more productive and creative in Office than I had ever been before. It took all of three days to make the transition, too. The best way was to simply forget everything I knew about Office in the first place, and just learn it like something brand new, from scratch.

Now I'm like, "WHERE IS ME RIBBON!?!?! AARRRR MATEY!!!" but without the pirate accent.
 
Azhar said:
Microsoft buys Adobe. Microsoft phases out Flash in favor of Silverlight. Photoshop gets bundled with Office. The world rejoices.

I like it.
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This ^

Wshmaster0 said:
Screw Silverlight, I can't watch my Netflix on Firefox because of that POS software. I'm not a big fan of flash but at least it does what I want it to do (most of the time).


Office.. what a joke.. Last decent version of that software was 2003.. after that it was downhill with MS's attempt at reinventing the File Edit View menu.
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Not This ^

Silverlight is far better coded than Flash however unsupported it is.
Office 2007 and further Office 2010 x64 are the best versions ever. I dunno maybe you got a bit upset that visually things didn't work the same, but hey I use keyboard shortcuts for everything (my hand doesn't touch the mouse very often when using my computer).
 
well think about it. When you buy a premium purchase of OSX with iLife or whatever its called. you get imovie, garrageband, iphoto, all half decent applications that can handle the basic home user task.


Buy adobe, and windows 8 premium actually has an application advantage.

i highly doubt the photoshop/after effects series is going to be closed off... its an industry standard. but maybe photoshop elements could be rebranded and bundled with premium or ultimate
 
Jarod888 said:
Because I don't use the search function. I usually just remember where I put stuff.
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Yes because that is the ONLY reason to use the search function, its not at all useful for quickly opening programs instead of going through menus. :rolleyes:
 
Derangel said:
Yes because that is the ONLY reason to use the search function, its not at all useful for quickly opening programs instead of going through menus. :rolleyes:
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^^ this, and to help a fellow [H]ardOCPer out, here's the word's you're looking for in reply to Derangel: touche :D
 
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