Microsoft Promises Next-Generation Security with Windows 10 Fall Creators Update

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  1. Megalith

    Megalith 24-bit/48kHz Staff Member

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    Microsoft is beefing up security for businesses in Windows 10 with a variety of new features and capabilities that include the Windows Defender Exploit Guard and Windows Defender Application Guard (WDAG). The former is essentially an update to the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET), while the latter isolates accidentally downloaded malicious software from your devices, apps, data, and network. Cloud intelligence is also being utilized to provide better protection for Windows Defender Antivirus users.

    By integrating the power of EMET along with new vulnerability mitigations, Exploit Guard includes prevention capabilities that help make vulnerabilities dramatically more difficult to exploit. In addition, Exploit Guard delivers a new class of capabilities for intrusion prevention. Using intelligence from the Microsoft Intelligent Security Graph (ISG), Exploit Guard comes with a rich set of intrusion rules and policies to protect organziations from advanced threats, including zero day exploits.
     
  2. OEM

    OEM [H]ard as it Gets

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    I don't like how this sounds.
     
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  3. ManofGod

    ManofGod [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I have no issue with this, as long as it does not slow things down.
     
  4. BloodyIron

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    My issue with the online integrations is they're not optional.
     
  5. Biznatch

    Biznatch 2[H]4U

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    Ok, we'll just have MS send you their giant DB of malware and let your CPU do all the processing.... Oh wait, you mean you don't want your machine slowed down for scanning?....
     
  6. Loose Nut

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    Sounds like its going to be a big F-U from Windows 10 ( F-U meaning Fall Update of Course )
     
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  7. Ur_Mom

    Ur_Mom I'm Not Serious

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    Depends on how it's used. It may just be a buzzword that's thrown in there but just using normal virus definitions being sent via Windows Update, but their 'cloud' solution is the back end of that... I don't know.

    It'll be interesting. Their solution might make Norton look like a good AV. I may dump Windows Defender if it gets too intrusive or too cloud friendly, and move to a more 'tame' antivirus.

    I want protection.
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    I don't want 'protection'.
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  8. Megalith

    Megalith 24-bit/48kHz Staff Member

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    I should have went with this version of the story instead, which has a more interesting headline:

    Microsoft Is Building a Smart Antivirus Using 400 Million PCs

    Microsoft is turning to artificial intelligence to create the next generation of antivirus software. The company is under massive pressure to deliver a cybersecurity solution that will work for millions of computers, as hackers ramp up attacks and raise the stakes. In recent weeks, for example, the WannaCry ransomware devastated more than 200,000 computers worldwide, many of which were running outdated versions of the Windows operating system. This led Microsoft to release updates in mid-June to fix vulnerabilities identified by the National Security Agency, allowing older systems to protect against "potential nation-state activity."
     
  9. D4rkn3ss

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    fuck you microsoft.
     
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  10. Biznatch

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    YEA!!! How dare you try and make our machines more safe...

    Nice job on just jumping to attack based on a 3 sentence overview..... No obvious bias here... Stick to apple/linux and problem solved, why even bother posting in MS threads?
     
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  11. odditory

    odditory [H]ardness Supreme

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    Better than sending MS your whole PC including your search queries, all the sites you visit, the names of your files and 2000+ other data points all under the guise of keeping your PC safe.
     
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  12. Biznatch

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    Wow, you got all that from the article huh? Oops nm, you pulled that from your ass. We get it, you hate MS. Stick with 7/OSX/linux and stop posting useless garbage in the threads.
     
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  13. Lakados

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    I am starting to think Microsoft just can't win .....
    OS has open kernal, OK UAC problem solved.... "This is too annoying"
    Updates don't happen fast enough, OK we will release more updates faster ..... These came out too fast to be tested to my liking
    Creates huge array of VM's to test updates internally on large hardware/software array so they can still release them at the same speed .... These updates are too large and take too much time to install
    Viruses still happen because of bad habits, Microsoft releases Essentials... Why did you do this nobody asked you for help
    Microsoft gets tired of your shit starts forcing updates... Microsoft why you being such a bitch this is why nobody likes you
    Microsoft still trying to win you back releases newer better faster security service.... Why did you have to make it an online thing, I might want my computer off the internet at some point you know....

    I am starting to think of Microsoft as that old hard working dad who ends up with some spoiled little brat of a teenage daughter.
     
  14. D4rkn3ss

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    they had it coming.
     
  15. Biznatch

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    Such a well articulated argument that fully relates to the OP, specifically about MS's next gen AV/AM..... Totally changed my point of view, how could I ever use an MS product again....

    Stop post farming if you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand (you don't)....
     
  16. OEM

    OEM [H]ard as it Gets

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    I know you don't, because you submit all your data to your overlords.

    Not all of us are cool with this. If you are, fine, but not everyone is blissfully ignorant to how this data could be used.
     
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  17. D4rkn3ss

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    like, there is people dumb enough to trust windows defender for their security?
     
  18. Ur_Mom

    Ur_Mom I'm Not Serious

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    Whoa. A little extreme isn't it? There are plenty of things I don't like about Windows, but there is no reason at all to jump ship because of them. I love Windows, but they make some decisions that I really don't care for. Overall, I'm still a Windows user. No reason to run off to Linux or Mac.

    If you're a Windows Insider, you're bitching to Microsoft, giving your non-bias feedback, pointing out bugs, saying what you like/dislike, etc.. Microsoft themselves want people to give their positive and negative feedback. This isn't a Microsoft focused website, so I'm sure things might be harsh...
     
  19. Biznatch

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    That post was specific to people just posting garbage like 'Stupid Microshaft' responses in threads like this, not posts with legitimate arguments.
     
  20. bigdogchris

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    Cortana says "I am now uploading your family photos, and personally identifying documents into our cloud. Thank you for being a Microsoft customer".
     
  21. Ur_Mom

    Ur_Mom I'm Not Serious

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    Pfft... I'm out of OneDrive space on my personal account. :( All photos from my iPhone go to my OneDrive. They are on my home PC with the sync, then the home server backs up that folder and then they are backed up to a different cloud backup provider.

    A lot of people that care about privacy don't use Facebook or other social media. They just don't share or want their information on the internet. For those people, Windows 10 might not be the best idea.

    For many others - they will willingly put their information on Facebook or everywhere else. However, they are fine with it as long as they initiate it. When Facebook, Google, Microsoft upload their information, use their PII for other purposes, scan emails for ads, etc., those same people get a little upset.

    I just wonder how the cloud based AV would work.
     
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    ChadD [H]ardness Supreme

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    So their argument against companies switching their workstation/terminals to always on cloud based ChromeOS systems, which are far more secure and far easier to manage.

    Is to ensure all the windows machines also require always on cloud connections for security purposes ? lol

    Oh MS Google is going to slaughter your cash cow.
     
  23. bigdogchris

    bigdogchris [H]ard as it Gets

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    I use OneDrive. But I put stuff in there by choice. People are complaining about Microsoft taking information.
     
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  24. Biznatch

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    Home and enterprise versions are 2 completely different discussions. Enterprise will have a central management server that agents report to (SCCM w/ FEP), that pushes updates/scans. Don't confuse the 2.

    Also, chromeOS requires the internet to do ANYTHING. This is just for AV/AM scanning. Again, not even remotely the same thing.
     
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  25. daglesj

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    Happy for them to integrate EMET into W10 but I hope that we'll be able to control it and make sure it's switched on rather than the default setting for most security on Windows which is 'Off'
     
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    That's... not how that works. At all. You take a next-gen AV solution like Webroot, Cylance, Crowdstrike, etc, you have one of the lightest AVs you can get with little to no system impact. If they're implementing this, I'm looking forward to it, especially since you can run these alongside a traditional AV for a layered, hardened approach.

    Webroot, Zemana AntiMalware/Malwarebytes AntiMalware and smart(ish) browsing will keep you virus free unless you actively go looking for trouble.
     
  27. Wolf_Tech

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    Windows defender or as I call it Windows crapender. Pure garage antivirus. How about MS make a secure system first before trying to make a antivirus. All my corporate clients and some end users use Symentec Endpoint Protection. 3 reason why. 1 its small footprint on the system very low memory usage. 2. Its find many things quickly and removes them faster than anything else I have seen. 3. Windows defender lol I have a USB key with like 5 or 10 virus's on it I use for testing SEP finds them all and removes them as soon as I plug in the USB flash. On Defender you can still run the virus's it comes up with a warning but then asks do you want to run it anyway. Wow MS WOW.
     
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  29. MavericK

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    Huh...I find that kind of hard to believe, in my personal experience. I've never seen Defender take up more resources than ESET, McAfee or Norton.
     
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    A lot of haters in here. Microsoft is damned if they do, damned if they don't. I like the sound of this. Dealing with some of these infections is ridiculous because some people just lack common sense or don't think twice before clicking something. Doesn't help that our department is heavily understaffed.
     
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    This is one thing I don't have an issue with. Google does this already with Verify Apps on Android. Not to mention sharing heuristic data about files that are deemed "bad" has been around pretty much forever.
     
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