Lol. God damn idiots made that petition. It won't help. It doesn't matter if a million people sign it unless Valve changes their DLC policy it won't matter.
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Mass Effect 3 will require Origin only!
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Lol. God damn idiots made that petition. It won't help. It doesn't matter if a million people sign it unless Valve changes their DLC policy it won't matter.
Ocellaris
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You can have your account locked for something you say on the EA forums
Steam just bans you from the forum.
EA locks your entire account including all the games you bought and paid for
That's theft on a scale unseen since the Bernie Madoff scandal.
So that happened to like one person? Or was it two...
Origin has millions of users, if they screwed up two of them, I would say that is doing pretty well. During the Steam Holiday Sale, I couldn't even sign in a few times to play the games I own. No online service is going to be perfect.
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I honestly don't care, my daughter will have her copy of ME3 for her 10th birthday come hell or high water. She loves her ME and if I have to give EA a fucking kidney on release day she will be playing it.
The problem is that Origin actually sucks. I've got it and it's seriously lacking in features. It doesn't automatically patch games based on what I've seen and doesn't allow you to move your installation folders after the applications are installed. It also doesn't track play time and the interface isn't nearly as easy to work with.
Someone in one of these threads mentioned you can move installation folders. Not auto-patching is semi-annoying, but I don't see it as anything to majorly complain about. It's a nice option, but it doesn't bother me either way. Tracking playtime...Why is that needed? It's "neat", but not remotely required or all the interesting. As for the interface, I'd agree. They need to work on it, I prefer the way Steam is laid out. Especially the store. Origin's store is a bit of a mess. The game interface is alright, but not great.
It's not even remotely required, but I actually find myself referring to it quite a bit, and personally I do find the info "interesting".
- to see what games friends are finding it worthwhile to spend a lot of time on
- to see what games on my backlog I've been neglecting
- to see what games I've been spending obscene amounts of time on
- to see how long it took me to complete a certain game (it took me twice as much time to complete GRAW1 compared to GRAW2 apparently, mostly likely due to appalling AI)
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What do you mean? I wish they made games more like BG1!
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Origin has millions of users cause it started off as EA DM, it's the same damn thing, Origin didn't just get millions of users overnight. Origin is a re-skinned, re-launched EADM with a new name, it's the same shitty program they launched back in 2007 or so that had all kinds of problems associated with it. IT IS NOT A NEW SERVICE.
It's horrible and shitty, it belongs in the garbage can. Whatever genius thought up their download portion botched it big time.
I've seen quite a few posts with problems restarting downloads in Origin and having to download files multiple times to get a download to finish because it didn't resume when it was stopped.
Steam does things right, I've had zero problem with Steam. It gets shit done right the first time, patches my shit, and gets my downloads done.
Plus Steam won't lock my account for things I post on their forums, thereby stealing my hard earned money.
It's a moral imperative to boycott Origin and EA games because of their draconian policy regarding YOUR user account, which can be locked anytime they wish, and all your games collection goes down the shitter, along with the sound of your money being flushed down the drain.
It's theft that's far worse than piracy.
Maybe. But you really believe its Valve wanting a share of the DLCs sold through Steam that this is all about? M$ and Sony already do that, platforms with easily bigger sales than PC. IMHO this forced Origin is just a weak marketing plan.
I believe the way Origin downloads and some of the issues are on Digital River's side. Remember EA does not run Origin, the entire backend and delivery end of Origin is Digital River.
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Another reason why Origin is garbage, Steam is proprietary and run entirely by Valve, they control and handle every aspect of it and strive to provide end users with the best experience possible. Valve is continually improving Steam and the end user experience, which is why so many updates are done through it.
They are the worldwide leader in that regard.
EA just contracts out your satisfaction, or lack of it.
Lazy assholes.
It's one issue. Notch has even spoken about the DLC policy. Any and all DLC sold through games on Steam has to be sold through Steam. It can be sold any other way the publisher chooses as long it's sold on Steam. Games on Steam prior to the change are grandfathered in, BUT if a game adds new DLC and doesn't offer it on Steam it's gone. That is exactly what happened to Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2. It is one of the reasons BF3 and ME3 are not and will never be on Steam.
It's not lazy so much as it's probably the best option outside of buying millions of dollars worth of servers and paying for all that bandwidth.
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Crysis 2 was garbage.
Dragon Age 2 was garbage.
BF3 is a more technically impressive BFBC2, I watched a friend play it and didn't really care for what I saw.
I have no opinion on ME3, because I barely played ME1 and never played ME2.
EA games are something I can live without.
I have my friends begging me to play BF3 with them, one of them even went as far as to offer to build a computer for me and install Origin on it. I refused, lol.
Seriously, why would I ever want to install an inferior program to Steam? Especially an EA-backed one? There's absolutely no upside to it.
Steam can lock your account because of arbitrary reasons too, so if it's a moral imperative thing you should boycott both services.
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what? it most certainly has auto updated every game I have used on there. I have not had a single issue with it and find it very easy to use.
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Steam bans people to, almost a million Steam accounts are VAC banned right now http://vacbanned.com/view/statistics. A good number of those people claim they did nothing wrong and still got the ban hammer. Also you can see that 2175 people were unbanned, which means they never should have been banned to begin with. Steam also bans people for violating the code of conduct http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=online_conduct By your own moral imperative, I fully expect you to stop using Steam immediately.
As far as I can tell, there are at most two cases of people being banned from Origin due to forum activity, and EA fixed the issue. But hey, be a drama queen about those two people if you want. All Steam does is eat rainbows and shit butterflies according to you.
EA didn't fix anything. They promised to fix it so it didn't happen two years ago and STILL haven't done it.
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...and Valve has has problems with people logging in for years, it still isn't 100% resolved. When they have a sale, the service can quickly turn to shit. But hey that is Valve so it is OK, free pass.
Steam also has major issues with offline mode not working or working randomly.
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I don't really care for the Origin ui or the service itself. I'd generally like to use Steam instead. I don't give much of a shit about the DLC pissing match between the two. Also, fuck Bioware points.
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To be fair your assessment of Origin "sucking" is somewhat biased towards your views of what you expect out of a digital distribution client and what you are used to. For instance examining your points -
Patching -
I assume you are referring to how Origin in some cases prompts you for patches whereas Steam does it completely seamlessly? The flip side of this is people also do legitimately take issue with the behavior that you are praising as well, since they actually want more control over how their games are updated.
User Interface -
Lets face it, people always complain about changes to user interfaces since it is a highly subjective quality and everyone will have a very large bias to what they are used this. What then further compounds this problem is that people are also more reluctant to spend the time to acclimate to a new interface.
Installation -
Again there is a flip side to this argument, since Origin benefits in that the games can inherently be installed into multiple directories as opposed to being locked into where Origin is installed.
Keeping Track of playing time -
I would say this is highly dependent on the person as well. I mean it seems like many people are do not like being tracked and data mined, which is actually what Steam does in this regard to provide this service. I would think many people for privacy reasons actually do not want the service to be constantly tracking what they are playing.
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I would say both have qualities and disadvantages compared to the other. For instance a major feature that Origin does better is that it essentially has less DRM and a better "offline" mode. Whereas Steam currently has a better built in and more functional backup/restore mode.
Actually this is an issue that I find it rather surprising (or maybe not everything considered) that they are not questioned more about if you consider what the communities general attitude to related issues. I would think at the very least, if they are as open as some people give them credit for, they would explain how the offline mode actually works and how it supposed to function. The skeptical person would actually say the reason they do not address is because the true reason is more business oriented than technical, and "plausible deniability" is better than otherwise bad publicity. A strategy that I think Valve actually commonly employs, but people seem otherwise oblivious to which does mean it works
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Amazon has all the feature I care for digital games. No anal patching, no datamining, no annoying broken offline mode, unlimited downloads, the interface is simple (i.e. my start menu), no waiting for side programs to load, privacy about my game time, just generally less intrusive, good prices to name a few things.
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Since, Mozex, in this world we live in, it's impossible to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial, really.
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If EA really wanted to show that they set out to create a better service than Steam, they wouldn't have tied their games to Origin. I disagree with both Valve and EA's methods here, I'd much prefer the client as a store and community interface, rather than a locked box for my games. Ideally, you'd pay for the game and you'd get an executable download that isn't tied to the service directly, but can be downloaded again as needed via the client. Unfortunately, publishers DEMAND DRM so Valve couldn't create a DRM-free client and expect any success. However, since EA is a major publisher itself, they indeed could have gone that route and provided a service whose games weren't intrinsically tied to the client.
I just hope we can stop the madness sooner rather than later and eventually wind up with a good DD service that doesn't try to lock your games up. But for now, Valve has a MUCH, MUCH better customer oriented track record than EA, and is NOT beholden to shareholders. I'll trust Valve ahead of EA when it comes to this.
I just hope we can stop the madness sooner rather than later and eventually wind up with a good DD service that doesn't try to lock your games up. But for now, Valve has a MUCH, MUCH better customer oriented track record than EA, and is NOT beholden to shareholders. I'll trust Valve ahead of EA when it comes to this.
Valve created a DRM platform for their benefit. Steam was DRM before they even got close to opening it up to publishers.
I've had problems with Steam redownloading entire games for me because a patch got botched. I've also had games stop working, click to "verify cache" and it deletes everything in the fucking game folder and starts downloading it again. Just because you haven't had problems with Steam downloads and updates doesn't mean they don't exist.
Steam has also had the long term problem of not giving you the option to NOT auto download updates... well, the option exists, but its a fucking pain in the arse to turn on and often doesn't work. I much rather Origin asking me to download a patch than Steam doing it without telling me, preventing me from playing my game until it does, and not giving me the option to turn it off.
Also, Origin so far has had higher download speeds for me than I ever get through Steam.
About them locking accounts for bans on forums... meh... I think its wrong, but at the same time so far its only happened to a couple of people who are proven douchebags and I don't even use their forum, so I don't see why I should let it affect my purchasing choices. Both Steam and Origin have "We can close your account at will" clauses in their EULAs... neither of them realistically affect the majority of honest gamers.
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Hey guys, Origin rocks. Have 26 games on it and will continue adding in. Can't believe people go to lengths just to post on a forum how much they hate origin more than once without actually having sufficient experience with the software.
Btw origin is in beta. I hope people understand that lol.
Btw origin is in beta. I hope people understand that lol.
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Your post is full of common misperceptions and misinformation.
In fact, if you had read this thread fully, you'd realize what parts of your post constitute incorrect information.
Oh no, we broke the Fail, he's run out of ill conceived arguments and has gotten stuck on meaningless and pointless comment mode, someone try turning it off and on again.
Oh no, we broke the Fail, he's run out of ill conceived arguments and has gotten stuck on meaningless and pointless comment mode, someone try turning it off and on again.
We need to do a hard reset on him.
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Oh no, we broke the Fail, he's run out of ill conceived arguments and has gotten stuck on meaningless and pointless comment mode, someone try turning it off and on again.
He is probably upset about having to stop using Steam based on his own morals.
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I agree with this.
The last guy it happened to only said "e-peen". Not exactly high-level douchebaggery.
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I do not understand why you guys would make this thread about me, it has absolutely ZERO to do with me, it's all about whether or not you endorse the idea of spending your hard earned dollars on a corporation that is all to happy to discard you as a customer by banning you from it for comments you may or may not have made on their forum.
If you feel like there is value in being considered a disposeable customer or "discarded customer" then by all means consider purchasing your games only on Origin.
If you feel like there is value in being considered a disposeable customer or "discarded customer" then by all means consider purchasing your games only on Origin.
It's a joke man. You gotta roll with a little light teasing now and then.
Source? I haven't been following any recent cases, but up until now all the ones I'd heard of were mostly people who already had warnings or bad reputations, so they might have gotten suspended for something small, but it was probably coming their way anyway. Not that I agree with the practice of suspending people from their games even if they were being douchebags, but since I don't act or intend to act like a douchebag on their forums its not gonna affect my purchase.
LOL, we aren't making it about you, we're poking fun
I don't endorse the idea... but it also doesn't affect me so I really don't care enough to stop me buying games. Why should I care about getting banned from my games for forum comments when I don't even use the forums? Yeah ok, EA could ban me for no reason what so ever even without using their forums, but I have no reason to believe they would and its not like almost every piece of software on my PC doesn't have a similar "we have you by the testicles" clause in their EULA, I might as well stop using technology all together and go live in a cave.
Meh, the one time I had to use EA support they were helpful and got things working to my liking in a prompt manner, didn't feel like a "disposable" or "discarded" customer.
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On the off hand chance I decide ME3 is worth going through the hassle, I would buy a used retail disc for $5 or something, and use the inevitable fix that removes the Origin requirement. It is not rocket science after all.
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