Valve will likely remain the majority holder of the digital market as long as they continue to appear to be customer focused. The thing that will always hold services like Origin back is that their owners don't answer to gamers, they answer to shareholders that don't know about anything other than profit.
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Mass Effect 3 will require Origin only!
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Valve will likely remain the majority holder of the digital market as long as they continue to appear to be customer focused. The thing that will always hold services like Origin back is that their owners don't answer to gamers, they answer to shareholders that don't know about anything other than profit.
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Color me surprised....not!
Not only that, but its so much easier and intuitive being able to buy DLC through steam's normal shop interface rather than through individual publishers' convoluted systems, e.g. GFWL and Bioware's rubbish point system.
Not only that, but its so much easier and intuitive being able to buy DLC through steam's normal shop interface rather than through individual publishers' convoluted systems, e.g. GFWL and Bioware's rubbish point system.
Everything about Bioware's DLC store is horribly designed. GFWL isn't too bad since games usually will put a link to buying DLC in them.
I just did a fresh install. My Origin Games are on my back-up drive. I changed in the options where the games were installed then clicked on the game to be installed. Origin recognized and verified the existing folder. Bam...no download needed, no issues.
I still don't understand the hate. I have no problem with Origin.
I did nothing to the registry. And I believe you can change the drive letter to match the registry.
So maybe you have to do a little work. Whiners!
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I disagree with you, EA has never been customer focused yet they are probably the biggest player in the industry. Art is complicated at the end of the day whoever owns the popular art wins. The only reason valve is in the game is because they have popular art. Had HL2 not happened there would be no steam. (do not get all technical and argue with me you get the point). At some point in the not to distant future EA is going to flip every single one of the games they publish to being origin only. They will probably also remove all games from steam for any further purchases. They may even if they are bold enough tell everyone who owns a steam game they will no longer get updates and cannot connect to the master server unless they shift to origin. At some point they will wait for valve to show a weakness and then they will start offering better terms to any indie game than valve and shift a ton more people over. Then valve will be forced to show their hand and tell all its clients you must be exclusive to steam. When the dust settles if EA has deeper pockets valve will be pushed back to a niche status.
All that will probably play out unless valve really becomes a publisher and starts locking down more big exclusive games or developing strong partnerships with competition. Something like valve saying to M$ get rid of GFWL and let us handle all PC stuff. (not likely but you get it). There is still value in things like steamworks but sooner or later everyone is going to copy all that and really it will come down to the deepest pocket books.
Publishers become the giants they are by screwing the customers over not by being customer focused. They use their money to lock in popular content.
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all the greater reason to vote with your wallets
I'm willing to bet that all EA games going forward will require Origin. The thing is although EA does have some big franchises companies like Activision and Zenimax are fully behind Steam. At this point there is a very real chance of Valve remaining the dominate force as long as they don't make any big mistakes or stop updating their features. At this point Valve is more of a retailer than a developer. They may be small in size, but they're not remotely small in terms of revenue.
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Eventually those publishers like activision are going to weigh out the money they could gain by distributing themself. And more importantly then that they are going to start asking the question that developers are asking. Why have a publisher? This is why EA is going hard with origin how many times have they tried now? The reason is because in the absense of a distribution channel a publisher is nothing more than a mega studio. They have no value. If you were a studio and someone told you, hey you can pay 20% to valve and keep the rest, or pay 20% to valve and 20% to activision why would you ever hang with activision? The only reason left is because you have run out of funding for your game so you need to sell out to get more capitol. And lets be honest most games like this are not doing well anyway. Before you had the whole supply chain they offered of getting you into stores and making dvds for you and boxes and what not. This is why publishers feel threatened by valve. This is why valve needs to think hard about how they will play their cards.
And do not even get me started on longer term implications like the fact everyone and their buddy is making an "app store" now. Those will also start feeding into the competition for valve.
And do not even get me started on longer term implications like the fact everyone and their buddy is making an "app store" now. Those will also start feeding into the competition for valve.
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I actually just did the same thing and when I tried to "verify" BF3, it got stuck in an infinite loop. I had to delete the entire thing and re-download 14 GB.
So yeah, Origin can suck ass.
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I realize that this doesn't affect a lot of people on this forum, but Origin's international pricing is ridiculously high. BF3 costs US$85 in Japan, TOR is US$70 and then $19 a month to play it, I imagine ME3 will be US$85 as well.
Steam on the other hand maintains, for the most part, (the Call of Duty franchise being the main exception, which is a series I can gladly live without) the US prices. U.S. sales are also available to me, so I still get newer games that dip down into the $5-$10 region.
Until EA fixes their hugely marked up prices (that should be marked way DOWN, due to not having a middle man) I won't be installing Origin.
Steam on the other hand maintains, for the most part, (the Call of Duty franchise being the main exception, which is a series I can gladly live without) the US prices. U.S. sales are also available to me, so I still get newer games that dip down into the $5-$10 region.
Until EA fixes their hugely marked up prices (that should be marked way DOWN, due to not having a middle man) I won't be installing Origin.
All digital services have messed up prices somewhere. It really shouldn't be that hard to make sure prices are far across all regions. Anyway digital isn't THAT much cheaper than retail, especially when you consider with Origin there is still a middle-man named DigitalRiver that runs all the operations.
Just wait, regional pricing will creep into Steam for you as well. It used to be there were only a couple of regionally priced games in Australia on Steam, now almost all of them are. On the main Steam store page, 6 of the 7 non-indie games listed are all priced at $70-100. I haven't bought a new game on Steam for a while, its such a fucking rip off. Not that Origin is any better.
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I don't mind using Origin, I did with BF3, but boy their download system sucks. Had issues downloading the 4GB patch several times as whenever I pause and resume later on, a huge chunk of files are missing.
But anyway, ME3 isn't the game that I must play at all cost. The next EA game I see myself getting on Origin is probably C&C Generals 2, if its good at all.
But anyway, ME3 isn't the game that I must play at all cost. The next EA game I see myself getting on Origin is probably C&C Generals 2, if its good at all.
Don't get me started on all the damned patching and download issues I've had with Steam over the years
Try on BF3 and tell me if it work.....
I tried it at least twice already...and NO IT DOESN'T.....
Plus, the Origin interface is absolutely terrible..
I also do not understand why I need to turn on Origin and Battlelog at the same time to play BF3.... seriously...
EA have been doing a lot of stupid monopoly decision lately....
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That's nice. Game number 26 or 27 on origin .
Doesn't match the 260+ games on steam but still getting there.
.Doesn't match the 260+ games on steam but still getting there
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That's nice. Game number 26 or 27 on origin
Doesn't match the 260+ games on steam but still getting there
The funny thing about my Origin account, is I keep seeing this damn game called "Hellgate london" on my list with no pic of the game.
I feel old
I'm not sure you know what he means with the betas thing. I have the same issue, and filtering by installed isn't a solution. RO2 and TF2 and whatever else are still in the list of owned games with no way to get rid.
Heh, no not really. I'll be happily playing it on a non-Origin borrowed copy on release day. Then if they eventually bring it to Steam, I'll happily buy a copy for my collection. No skin off my back.
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I don't really consider not wanting to have to support DLC, either through technical support, or providing downloads at a later point in time, that is sold from other places to be an abuse.
They want to sell the whole game. Which is kind of convenient, since I want to buy the whole game. It is just as understandable as, as EA wanting to cash in on a DD service.
Not going to go into, what I consider, the DLC problem the industry is attempting, quite successfully, to abuse our wallets with.
Yeah, I don't see wanting to sell DLC through your own service as an abuse. I bought Arkham City through GMG and now if I want DLC I have to buy it through GFWL, fuck that for a joke.
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"Borrowed copy"
I'll most likely borrow it too. From my friends PS3 or 360 drive bay. Or I'll play it at a friends house.
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I'd say I'm another person unsurprised by this news.
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This. I honestly already thought/assumed that it was the case. Why anyone already didnt think this way is beyond me.
Non news of the week.
Did you guys hear Portal 2 requires the use of the developer's own DRM software and even if you buy a retail copy you still have to install and run this Steamworks stuff if you want any online capability or DLC delivery? Bullshit if you ask me. Excuse me, I'm off to shit my underpants in a rage.
Difference is that Valve/Steam has managed to build a certain trust amongst PC gamers, something EA doesnt have. So EA wants their slice of the digital distribution pie, ok fair enough for me.
But then we get reports about Origins rather questionable datamining behaviour which you CANNOT opt out from, (like with Steam you could. Not sure if that has changed though) AND the absolutely terrible and mindblowing banning policies, all this combined with EAs (earned) reputation as "evil" company and people are suspicious, propably rightfully so.
And now comes a game that everyone has been waiting for like second coming of christ and then EA is trying to forcefeed us their Origin down our throats, crap that is not only unnecessary (even as a DRM) for the games function but also something that people simply do not trust yet. Of course there is going to be rage.
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You are free to complain, and refuse to buy, or play it, or even to shit in your underpants, if you really want to.
Valve doesn't set the prices on Steam, the publishers do.
Oh please. The ONLY reason Valve has that policy is to get more money. It's not some stupid thing like "they want the whole game". No they want money from DLC sales and feel that they're entitled to even more money from any game sold on Steam.
Yes yes I know. But during big sales or when a game with DLC is on sale having said DLC sold through Steam seems like it puts some pressure on the publishers to discount the DLC as well.
I'm sure it is money driven, but its still not a bad policy to have. Being able to buy the game and the DLC through one package is definitely a plus for the gamer... like my situation with buying Arkham City through GMG but if I want DLC I need to buy it through GFWL which is absolute bullshit IMO.
GMG doesn't seem terribly well set up for selling DLC anyway, but yes there are good and bad points to it. You will never see a game like Minecraft on Steam though due to these policies. So it's not all good.
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Of course it is about money. I still do not consider it an abuse. I did not think I was making any claim, or even inferring that Steam was being altruistic. They want to sell the whole game and get every penny out it they can. They also don't want to have to deal with the support tickets, and finger pointing that would be inevitable if people were buying part of the game from one service, another part from another, and yet another part from another service.
Don't get me wrong, while Steam is convenient, has a quite well polished service, and has earned at least some trust from the community, I am not claiming they are not all about the $$$. They are no different than EA in this regard. If Steam were second, and I already had a library and friends list with another service, I would prolly not have anything to do with them either.
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Actually not supporting that would be easier. Support would simply say "contact the publisher" or "contact the service you bought it from". There would be nothing for them to have to support.
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I don't really need to say anything do I?
My sig says it all.
My sig says it all.
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You have never seen the screaming on the Steam forums have you? Steam can say it's a publisher/devs problem, the publisher/devs can point the finger right back, and gamers just want their shit to work and are going to blame everyone. It really is not a good scenario for anyone involved to be honest. Even if Steam allowed it, I prolly would not do it just to avoid potential problems.
I've seen way too much of the Steam forums. I wonder how many "support" emails Steam gets each day that they just ignore.
Still tons of whinny bitches but at least there are fewer than there were when BF3 came out.
Origin was the best thing that could have happened to EA games. I can buy them from D2D, Amazon or anywhere and guess what? They all activate on Origin.
Dragon Age 1 and 2 will be on sale tomorrow on Amazon and guess what? I will be enjoying. Sucks to be a whiner.
So guess how many game managers I have? 2. Steam and Origin even though I have bought games off both those two and Amazon and D2D.
Origin was the best thing that could have happened to EA games. I can buy them from D2D, Amazon or anywhere and guess what? They all activate on Origin.
Dragon Age 1 and 2 will be on sale tomorrow on Amazon and guess what? I will be enjoying. Sucks to be a whiner.
So guess how many game managers I have? 2. Steam and Origin even though I have bought games off both those two and Amazon and D2D.
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Origin, Steam, etc... doesnt matter. If the game is good, I'll buy it.