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Mass Effect 3 will require Origin only!

Tudz said:
No one is defending EA, they're attacking the stupidity of the reasoning for not buying games because of Origin ;)
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I would like to vehemently disagree with this, you cannot make a blanket statement like that when it has absolutely no truth behind it. You and I both know that.

Origin has some downsides to it, even other than having your account locked, mainly that you'd have to split your gaming library in two, have yet, ANOTHER service running in your background.

It's redundant, unneccessary, and vastly inferior compared to Steam.

The US government accepts the reality that some monopolies are necessary to offer the best possible customer service and experience, and so should, you gentlemen, especially when Steam has proven itself time, and time again, to be the best possible solution out of all those that currently exist.

Even if you would like to debate the merits of everything I posted before this statement I'm about to make, consider this, just because someone doesn't want to install Origin in order to play EA games, that does NOT make their decision to NOT install Origin in order to protest EA's decision to not utilize Steam, any less worthy of respect from those of us who either agree or disagree with their decision, it is every bit as valid and counts as an important element in this ongoing dialogue.
 
John Vuong said:
Seriously, Steam isn't all that great, and to me I hate the slow download speeds, and the offline mode just doesn't work all the time. And having to have the internet verify your game all the time just to play it is just bullshit, I already paid and activated the game already, is that enough?
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The Steam network happily saturates my connection at 4 megabytes per second. I have a laptop that I keep in offline mode until I need to install a new game and it stays in offline mode until I switch it on. Steam servers too busy to handle your request errors are annoying, but usually rare.
 
Ryom said:
The Steam network happily saturates my connection at 4 megabytes per second. I have a laptop that I keep in offline mode until I need to install a new game and it stays in offline mode until I switch it on. Steam servers too busy to handle your request errors are annoying, but usually rare.
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Steam rarely uses all my speed even late at night as 3.4 to 3.6 MB/s is about all it will peak to for a few seconds and then it will go up and down and never be very consistent. during the day I can forget about using much more that about a 1/4 of it. Origin as been way more consistent. for instance I downloaded MOH last night and it started off around 5 MB/s because my connection has a short duration turbo and then settled to right at 3.9-4.0 MB/s the rest of the time. I have 30 meg connection but usually get right at 32 in the real world speed test so its using every bit of it. btw speedtest.net is useless for me because it basically only gets that 10-15 seconds of turbo boost instead of the real connection speed.
 
defiant007 said:
As for the policy itself, you can argue with me until the end of time, I will never concede that any behavior on an internet forum of all places is a reasonable basis to deprive a user of access to software they have legally paid for.
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I'm not arguing that at all. I dont disagree, I just don't care ;)
Don't be surprised if the location you eventually arrive at is somewhere you would rather not be.
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Perhaps, but I'll get out of the car when I see that we're no longer where I want to be. In the context of gaming, when EA reaches the point where I disagree with them to the point that it is interfering with my games or doing something deplorable enough for me to actually care.

Fail said:
It's not so much that I agree with you, and I do, but that old quote that goes along the lines of something such as "for evil to triumph, good men have to only but do nothing", that I find relevant.

This is of course, only my opinion, I do not expect others to agree with it.

If gentlemen such as myself and yourself do not speak up, then who will? Shall we be silenced and deny the reality that is the abomination of what is happening before our very eyes be manifest of our reality, or shall we speak out against it, and attempt (even if we do not succeed), to change the outcome of such?

What is better? What is more becoming of valor? You know full well where I stand and I recognize your position on this matter, and I believe it to be the correct one and one I support fully.

It is the right of others to disagree with us, I would only ask them to give us their reasons for accepting such a drastic course that would put one on a trajectory to be that of other than what is correct, proper, and befitting of justice.
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See, I just find this stance almost laughable, but I guess that's because I'm not blowing an aneurysm over the percieved decline in gaming. I won't pretend to be a martyr, but I have my beliefs and I'll stand up for them if I think they're important. Are you surprised that there are people who don't think its important that EA have banned a handful of people to my knowledge are mostly idiots with multiple warnings anyway?

You talk as if you're Ghandi or something, making some sort of sacrifice to stand up against an oppressive regime, yet all you're doing is whining on a forum and not buying a game. Go talk to some people who have had their families murdered and their homes burnt down for their beliefs. Its a humbling experience. I have friends who have been through that, or been beaten and/or disowned for their beliefs and I'm glad I've never had to live through such trials, but maybe you need to go talk to some people like that to put in perspective some of your ideas on valour, justice, being silenced in your beliefs, etc etc.

Hell, I'd be mighty impressed if you did something like actually buying an EA game, purposely getting banned on the forums and then fighting them on it. That would actually involve sacrifice, that would take a (small) amount of balls.

You don't want to buy the game for X reason, fine, don't buy it, you do want to buy it for Y reason, go ahead, buy it, that's how business works. They're either providing you a product you want for a price you're willing to pay, or they're not. Talk of valour and such just makes it sounds like you've played too many games where you're the lone hero fighting against the bad guy and everyone else is a meaningless NPC.
 
Fail said:
I would like to vehemently disagree with this, you cannot make a blanket statement like that when it has absolutely no truth behind it. You and I both know that.
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There is some truth to it, though it was a hyperbole in response to another post which was also hyperbole, sorry you missed that, I tried to highlight it with an emoticon for everyone :)

Fail said:
The US government accepts the reality that some monopolies are necessary to offer the best possible customer service and experience, and so should, you gentlemen, especially when Steam has proven itself time, and time again, to be the best possible solution out of all those that currently exist.
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I don't think Steam being a monopoly is beneficial. I would like one unified program that can bring all my games and friend lists together, Steam is not it.
just because someone doesn't want to install Origin in order to play EA games, that does NOT make their decision to NOT install Origin in order to protest EA's decision to not utilize Steam, any less worthy of respect
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Respect? Ok, let me just make this clear, I have no respect of anyone who does not want to install Origin or anyone who does want to install Origin regardless of their reasons either way beyond the respect I would give any fellow human. Its buying a fucking game for crying out loud, this talk of respect and valour is absurd. You either buy it or you don't, you gain or lose no respect, valour or honour for doing either. At most you gain the ability to say "told ya so", lol.
 
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I wasn't aware anyone was talking about valor, or martyrs? Taking a stand against multiple clients is hardly considered valor by anyone here on either side. It's hard to fathom how anyone would even see that. We are talking about a game service, and a few games I, and some others, might have liked to play, but prolly will not, because I/we am not going to be bothered dealing with yet another client requirement, and from a company that has proven they are not trustworthy. I know I at least have not told anyone their acceptance Origin is wrong, but have merely stated why I refuse to accept it. You don't care. That's great, who cares?
 
Fail said:
I would like to vehemently disagree with this, you cannot make a blanket statement like that when it has absolutely no truth behind it. You and I both know that.

Origin has some downsides to it, even other than having your account locked, mainly that you'd have to split your gaming library in two, have yet, ANOTHER service running in your background.

It's redundant, unneccessary, and vastly inferior compared to Steam.

The US government accepts the reality that some monopolies are necessary to offer the best possible customer service and experience, and so should, you gentlemen, especially when Steam has proven itself time, and time again, to be the best possible solution out of all those that currently exist.

Even if you would like to debate the merits of everything I posted before this statement I'm about to make, consider this, just because someone doesn't want to install Origin in order to play EA games, that does NOT make their decision to NOT install Origin in order to protest EA's decision to not utilize Steam, any less worthy of respect from those of us who either agree or disagree with their decision, it is every bit as valid and counts as an important element in this ongoing dialogue.
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Steam hasn't proven anything that's only your opinion.
 
ZodaEX said:
Steam hasn't proven anything that's only your opinion.
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Considering the fact that they control northwards of 70 percent of the online DD marketplace, the "opinion" I'm expounding has the legs of a god damn titan to stand on.

No straw man here.
 
Fail said:
Considering the fact that they control northwards of 70 percent of the online DD marketplace, the "opinion" I'm expounding has the legs of a god damn titan to stand on.

No straw man here.
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Only 70%? I thought it would have been more than that. Shows people are still looking elsewhere if you ask me. Where did you get that number from anyway? I thought Valve didn't release any of the Steam sales figures.

But either way, until Origin, Steam was the only DD service that forced you to use their product through Steamworks titles, who knows what the future will hold. Steam is already quite often more expensive than other DD services, as DD becomes the norm, who knows where peoples' loyalties will lie, if they have loyalties at all. The "titan legs" of your opinion don't seem all that strong to me, its just a guess like any other, Origin already has a couple of million users who signed up for BF3.

To me, the likely future will be breaking up of DD sales more, with people looking further out to different services outside of Steam for purchasing of games. That may or may not come true, but it'd be my guess. I know personally my peak for purchasing Steam games was probably a year to two years ago, and as time goes on I more and more am purchasing games through other sources.
 
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Only 70%? I thought it would have been more than that. Shows people are still looking elsewhere if you ask me. Where did you get that number from anyway? I thought Valve didn't release any of the Steam sales figures.

But either way, until Origin, Steam was the only DD service that forced you to use their product through Steamworks titles, who knows what the future will hold. Steam is already quite often more expensive than other DD services, as DD becomes the norm, who knows where peoples' loyalties will lie, if they have loyalties at all. The "titan legs" of your opinion don't seem all that strong to me, its just a guess like any other, Origin already has a couple of million users who signed up for BF3.

To me, the likely future will be breaking up of DD sales more, with people looking further out to different services outside of Steam for purchasing of games. That may or may not come true, but it'd be my guess. I know personally my peak for purchasing Steam games was probably a year to two years ago, and as time goes on I more and more am purchasing games through other sources.
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What truly makes that figure remarkable is, as wide open as the Internet is, there is the possibility for more rivals to Steam to pop up, but yet, we've only seen few gain traction, most notably D2D (Direct 2 Drive), GoG.com (not really a rival as they specialize in old games), Amazon, some sites like Green Man Gaming and their ilk, even Origin, yet Steam stands heads and shoulders taller than all of them combined.

That's the power of the Internet marketplace, my friends, we decide the direction that our hobby takes us, and we do so by voting with not only our dollars, but also by what client we choose to use to acquire our games.

It's a powerful message, crucial, really.
 
Fail said:
What truly makes that figure remarkable is, as wide open as the Internet is, there is the possibility for more rivals to Steam to pop up, but yet, we've only seen few gain traction, most notably D2D (Direct 2 Drive), GoG.com (not really a rival as they specialize in old games), Amazon, some sites like Green Man Gaming and their ilk, even Origin, yet Steam stands heads and shoulders taller than all of them combined.

That's the power of the Internet marketplace, my friends, we decide the direction that our hobby takes us, and we do so by voting with not only our dollars, but also by what client we choose to use to acquire our games.

It's a powerful message, crucial, really.
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You didn't answer where you got that number from.

But like I said, you might be impressed, I'm not. Steam is one of the few platforms that forces you to use their software for certain games through Steamworks. You act like market forces are the reason people use Steam, I personally think its more related to their monopolistic approach with HL2 and subsequent Steamworks titles. If you wanted to play any of the games listed below... you NEED Steam... and this is only the 2011 list.

(list from here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=28061604&postcount=727)
• Magicka
• Monday Night Combat
• Breach
• Crasher
• Trino
• Zeit²
• Who's That Flying?!
• BIT.TRIP RUNNER
• Warhammer 40.000 Dawn of War II Retribution
• RISK: Factions
• Homefront
• Total War: Shogun 2
• Cloning Clyde
• Post Apocalyptic Mayhem
• IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover
• Hoard
• Dino D-Day
• Shadow Harvest: Phantom Ops
• Sanctum
• Portal 2
• Dwarfs!?
• Hydrophobia Prophecy
• Brink
• DETOUR
• Jamestown
• Vertex Dispenser
• Red Faction: Armaggeddon
• Duke Nukem Forever
• Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers 2012
• F.E.A.R. 3
• Dungeons of Dredmore
• Runespell: Overture
• Defy Gravity Extended
• Dead Horde
• E.Y.E.- Divine Cybermancy
• EDGE
• Deus Ex: Human Revolution
• Serious Sam Double D
• The Baconing
• Wasteland Angel
• Dead Island
• Warhammer 40.000: Space Marine
• Rock of Ages
• Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad
• Hard Reset
• Astro Tripper
• Demolition, Inc.
• Bunch of Heroes
• Might & Magic Clash of Heroes
• Railworks 3
• Nuclear Dawn
• GundeadiGne
• Hitogata Happa
• Gundemonium Recollection
• Worms Ultimate Mayhem
• A Game of Thrones - Genesis
• The Binding Of Isaac
• PC Gamer Digital
• RAGE
• The Cursed Crusade
• Orcs Must Die!
• Rugby Challenge
• Costume Quest
• Smash Cars
• Alien Zombie Megadeath
• Worms Crazy Golf
• Lightfish
• Payday The Heist
• Sequence
• Football Manager 2012
• Data Jammers: FastForward
• Stronghold 3
• The Haunted: Hells Reach
• Lord of the Rings: War in the North
• Renegade Ops
• inMomentum
• Sonic Generations
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
• The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim
• Saints Row: The Third
• Rochard
• Sideway New York
• Waves
• SkyDrift
• Grotesque Tactics 2 – Dungeons and Donuts
• Serious Sam 3: BFE
• AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! for the Awesome
• Trine 2
• Flatout 3: Chaos & Destruction
• Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon


Steam is obviously popular, but hopefully as people wise up they'll start branching out more into other sources for their DD games. I hate monopolies on principle, Steam overcharges and yet they are still the most popular service, what was that word you love to use so much, oh that's right, sheeple :p Plus, I don't want to feel responsible for Gabe's heart attack by giving him too much Burger King money. ;)
 
"half to 70%" does not equal "northward of 70%" :p But like I said, you might be in awe, I am not. I'm almost amazed at how with your strong stance on gaming you actually want a monopoly from a source that is happy to charge you more than other sources and force you to use their product.

"...publishers earn a gross margin of around 70 per cent on Steam" I'm sure publishers are wondering how to snag that last 30 percent ;)
 
Tudz said:
"half to 70%" does not equal "northward of 70%" :p But like I said, you might be in awe, I am not. I'm almost amazed at how with your strong stance on gaming you actually want a monopoly from a source that is happy to charge you more than other sources and force you to use their product.

"...publishers earn a gross margin of around 70 per cent on Steam" I'm sure publishers are wondering how to snag that last 30 percent ;)
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Whatever gives you the idea that I don't wait on Steam sales to make my purchases?
 
Fail said:
Whatever gives you the idea that I don't wait on Steam sales to make my purchases?
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A lot of games are cheaper from other sources even during sales. You might know that if you looked at sales for places other than Steam. :) During the Christmas sales a lot of games I saw for big discounts on Steam were also discounted in retail stores by the same or similar %, but from a lower starting value.
 
Tudz said:
A lot of games are cheaper from other sources even during sales. You might know that if you looked at sales for places other than Steam. :)
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Price isn't the only factor that I look at. I'm not a Wal Mart shopper.

I prefer my games to be in one place, plus I have such a huge backlog, it's unlikely I will ever play every game I own. That's what enables me to wait so long for games that I want to buy, until I see a price I like.
 
So basically what you're saying is Valve has you by the balls, but you're into that sort of kinky stuff so its ok. ;)
 
Does anyone use these platforms outside the US? Not everyone has high speed broadband and unlimited downloads. Even here we have data caps, I'd much rather get a dvd, use Steam to update/patch rather than download 10-15GB.
 
I'm just gonna repost what I did in another thread, since that one died and is of the same freakin' topic.


Yep, I remember being in a LAN center and cursing at the CRT wondering "WTF, why do we need to use Steam now?"

Let's take a trip down memory lane shall we?

http://internetgames.about.com/library/weekly/aasteama.htm

It would have been nice if Steam had been made optional, at least for existing Half-Life players. Had it been mandatory only from Half-Life 2 on, I think the community would have been a lot more understanding.
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Damn, this sounds oddly familiar. If we replaced the word "Steam" with Origin, it'd be funny and oddly....it sounds just like the argument we hear today about Origin!

Steam works roughly as advertised, unfortunately, at it's best it's a rather weak incarnation of GameSpy that supports only a minute fraction of the games. It might be tolerable if the only game you play is Counter-Strike, but for those of us that play a variety of games that aren't from Valve, Steam is just extra baggage. Even in the unlikely event that game companies start hopping on the Steam bandwagon in droves, it will be a long time before Steam supports as many games as some of the other software currently available.
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Library in Origin horrible? Steam never had that! I have so many games on Steam --- wait, no I didn't. Not in 2003/2004.

http://planethalflife.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Editorials.Detail&id=2

PHL Staff goes after all the very same arguments Origin is getting that Steam had when it was released.

If your curious, do some Google searches with specified date ranges from 2003 to 2007 or so.

So, uh, yeah. Let's stop with the I hate Origin-this, or I hate Steam-that. Because really? This has been beat to death.
 
MrCrispy said:
Does anyone use these platforms outside the US? Not everyone has high speed broadband and unlimited downloads. Even here we have data caps, I'd much rather get a dvd, use Steam to update/patch rather than download 10-15GB.
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Of course people outside the US use them :p lol

I'm in Australia, these days my internet is close to unlimited, its 1TB a month, and since I'm not a torrent kiddy, to me that might as well be unlimited. But up until the start of last year I lived in share accomodation with slow and unreliable capped internet, and Steam really wasn't that convenient. I still used it, but I also had plenty of non-Steam games to fall back on when the internet slowed down and Steam would shit itself and not work in offline mode. As for actually downloading the games, I'd just leave it running through the night when the speed was shit but unmetered... it'd often take several days to download a big game, so if I wanted a game desperately, I'd just go buy it retail.

It was living in share accomodation where I developed my utter contempt for the shitty, unreliable and buggy patching system that Steam uses and hasn't fixed despite being a problem for YEARS. Its not an issue when all you want is to always auto update every game and have the internet to download and redownload games at will, otherwise its an annoyance and more than once kept me from playing a game I wanted to play.
 
Tudz said:
It was living in share accomodation where I developed my utter contempt for the shitty, unreliable and buggy patching system that Steam uses and hasn't fixed despite being a problem for YEARS. Its not an issue when all you want is to always auto update every game and have the internet to download and redownload games at will, otherwise its an annoyance and more than once kept me from playing a game I wanted to play.
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I know exactly what your mean! Steam for YEARS has forced me to keep all of my valve games installed, but I don't want them installed damnit my SSD is only 64GB, show a little respect Steam!!!!! I've uninstalled TF2 hundreds upon hundreds of times only to see's it's damn files on my computer again. You would never EVER have this issue on Origin or Impulse. Ever Period. Worst of all, is that they don't give refunds under any circumstances. Game dosen't work? Too bad for you. Game installs it's self without your permission corrupting all your data on your drive? Too bad for you. This game is currently unavailable? Too bad for you your money is gone and your never getting it back ever. Wecome to Steam.
 
I do really want to play ME3 and Syndicate... but I do want to limit my Origin use as much as possible. I have BF3, but that's all I have for it. I dunno...
 
SolidSnakeUS said:
I do really want to play ME3 and Syndicate... but I do want to limit my Origin use as much as possible. I have BF3, but that's all I have for it. I dunno...
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If you've had a good experience with BF3, why not buy and play games that you know you're going to enjoy? Why hesitate? You've already "jumped in" you heretic so you may as well go and enjoy yourself. ;)
 
Q-BZ said:
If you've had a good experience with BF3, why not buy and play games that you know you're going to enjoy? Why hesitate? You've already "jumped in" you heretic so you may as well go and enjoy yourself. ;)
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To be honest though, I would rather get the physical copy of ME3, mainly because other than the soundtrack, everything else is physical, such as the artbook, comic, lithograph and so on. Even a nice steelbook.
 
SolidSnakeUS said:
To be honest though, I would rather get the physical copy of ME3, mainly because other than the soundtrack, everything else is physical, such as the artbook, comic, lithograph and so on. Even a nice steelbook.
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Me too!
 
SolidSnakeUS said:
To be honest though, I would rather get the physical copy of ME3, mainly because other than the soundtrack, everything else is physical, such as the artbook, comic, lithograph and so on. Even a nice steelbook.
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will the CE actually include the FULL OST this time around? ME2 didn't, it was only 10-12 tracks
 
Q-BZ said:
A Mass Effect game? No.
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http://www.sandboxie.com/

Should keep Origin off your program files folder. Still, I'm going to have to see an awesome game at a great deal before I contribute money to a spyware program. And at that point I'd probably get sandboxie. With my backlog, I can wait for a better price (and maybe a better client, be it steam or origin) before I get ME3. I'm not anxious for this game.

If it weren't for mandatory spyware and taking people's games away I'd say Origin was on par with Steam.

It is funny to hear the arguments against the Steam only mentality thought, but I'd rather just download on Amazon and not worry about some intrusive client.
 
You know what... I know I love my PC, but... should I just get it for the PS3 to avoid this problem?

Also, is it still scanning shit on my system? More than Steam would?
 
Go away for a week, come back and it's still the same people bitching about the same stuff, except this time for ME3 instead of BF3. How exciting.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Go away for a week, come back and it's still the same people bitching about the same stuff, except this time for ME3 instead of BF3. How exciting.
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You went away for a week? Didn't notice.

So yeah, thinking of getting it then from Amazon. Gotta love the Release Date Delivery. And yes, the CE version, considering all the nice shit that comes with it.
 
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