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Mass Effect 3 will require Origin only!

Looks like they've successfully created a character that most video gamers can relate with directly. :p
 
Fail said:
Origin has more spyware in it than the CIA has in their possession.
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You can't have it both ways. Either EA is foolish and incompetent, or they are superior to the CIA in electronic intelligence.

Your move.
 
Digital Deluxe on Origin is cheaper then retail... about$50. Origin prices in Poland beats Steam pricing by far. EA did it right this time. Especially as all of the things they sell there, are at price of retail, so about $40 per game (like Kingdoms of Amalur). That's how it should be done Valve, and not by your cretinous currency rates :)
 
MorgothPl said:
Digital Deluxe on Origin is cheaper then retail... about$50. Origin prices in Poland beats Steam pricing by far. EA did it right this time. Especially as all of the things they sell there, are at price of retail, so about $40 per game (like Kingdoms of Amalur). That's how it should be done Valve, and not by your cretinous currency rates :)
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Origin prices are all higher than Steam in Australia.
 
I have ME1 my backlog and ME2 also I think.

My only question is ME2 a cliffhanger ending because I want to know if I should bother starting it?
 
jpm100 said:
I have ME1 my backlog and ME2 also I think.

My only question is ME2 a cliffhanger ending because I want to know if I should bother starting it?
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Yes, but not particularly interesting one as the mainstory of ME2 is bit lackluster one, its the characters that make it good. So I recommend doing Shadowbroker DLC right after the mainstory because its such a such a kickass DLC (better than ME2 mainstory) with great conclusion and then Arrival DLC for an actual cliffhanger ending that actually leads into (or so its rumored) the situation where Shepards starts from in ME3.
 
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I disagree. The Shadow Broker should be done just before launching the suicide mission. But do NOT do it after doing the Reaper IFF mission. The dialog in it is heavily weighted toward the main story not being done yet. The Arrival can be done before or after. The dialog given by the admiral at the end changes depending on where you are in the story. Dialog in Project Overlord really doesn't place it anywhere so it can be done whenever you want. Though I'd do it before the suicide mission so you can get all the researchable upgrades prior to launching that mission. One benefit to waiting to do Project Overlord until after the suicide mission is being able to take Legion with you on it which changes some of the dialog. Albeit only a little.
 
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"Mass Effect 3 will require Origin"

I predict there will be a sizable quantity of gamers playing ME3 on release day without Origin. Good job shooting yourself in the foot, EA. Surely 100% of nothing is much more profitable than 80% of something.
 
Sabrewulf165 said:
"Mass Effect 3 will require Origin"

I predict there will be a sizable quantity of gamers playing ME3 on release day without Origin. Good job shooting yourself in the foot, EA. Surely 100% of nothing is much more profitable than 80% of something.
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so now most of the people pirating the game will just use Origin for an excuse? I guess its not different than the other bs excuses jerks like that come up with.
 
Sabrewulf165 said:
"Mass Effect 3 will require Origin"

I predict there will be a sizable quantity of gamers playing ME3 on release day without Origin. Good job shooting yourself in the foot, EA. Surely 100% of nothing is much more profitable than 80% of something.
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This does seem like a no-brainer prediction for 2012 as far as being among the top 5 on that "most pirated games" list.

I have to admit, I was really surprised that BF3 ended up on the 2011 list considering it's so heavily multiplayer-focused, whereas Skyrim didn't even register. But there's no way of knowing what percentage of those pirated copies were people who actually bought a legitimate copy of BF3 and got the "jailbreaked" version to play without Origin.
 
cannondale06 said:
so now most of the people pirating the game will just use Origin for an excuse? I guess its not different than the other bs excuses jerks like that come up with.
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Naturally there will be people who would have pirated it anyway and will use Origin as an excuse, but I can't imagine they'd be many. Most people who would have pirated it anyway won't feel the need to make excuses for themselves. The people who pirate b/c of the Origin situation will probably really mean it. Can't say I blame them, honestly. Personally I'm thinking Red Box + Xbox, marathon session, never play it again. 1 and 2 were fun but I haven't touched either of them since I beat them the first time.

AmberClad said:
This does seem like a no-brainer prediction for 2012 as far as being among the top 5 on that "most pirated games" list.

I have to admit, I was really surprised that BF3 ended up on the 2011 list considering it's so heavily multiplayer-focused, whereas Skyrim didn't even register. But there's no way of knowing what percentage of those pirated copies were people who actually bought a legitimate copy of BF3 and got the "jailbreaked" version to play without Origin.
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Skyrim is part of a franchise that has a massive and loyal following, and it ended up on Steam, which has a very favorable public image. I'm guessing these were both factors.
 
if the game is good enough to pirate then how the hell could installing Origin and letting the game developers get paid be a problem? I have been using Origin since it came out and there has not be one single issue. some of you find the dumbest things to complain about. its no different then when Steam started.
 
cannondale06 said:
if the game is good enough to pirate then how the hell could installing Origin and letting the game developers get paid be a problem? I have been using Origin since it came out and there has not be one single issue. some of you find the dumbest things to complain about. its no different then when Steam started.
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Don't bother trying. Pirates are just looking for ways to excuse their illegal actions because they refuse to admit that they're assholes.
 
Dan_D said:
I disagree. The Shadow Broker should be done just before launching the suicide mission. But do NOT do it after doing the Reaper IFF mission. The dialog in it is heavily weighted toward the main story not being done yet. The Arrival can be done before or after. The dialog given by the admiral at the end changes depending on where you are in the story. Dialog in Project Overlord really doesn't place it anywhere so it can be done whenever you want. Though I'd do it before the suicide mission so you can get all the researchable upgrades prior to launching that mission. One benefit to waiting to do Project Overlord until after the suicide mission is being able to take Legion with you on it which changes some of the dialog. Albeit only a little.
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Hmm... Actually you are correct, Shadow Broker is an extension to Liara sidequest afterall. I just prefer to do it after the mainstory, after the "imminent threat" has been taken care of and such. However Arrival makes more sense to be played after everything else because of rather obvious reasons, A perfect ending for ME2 and bridging the game to ME3.


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cannondale06 said:
if the game is good enough to pirate then how the hell could installing Origin and letting the game developers get paid be a problem? I have been using Origin since it came out and there has not be one single issue. some of you find the dumbest things to complain about. its no different then when Steam started.
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Derangel said:
Don't bother trying. Pirates are just looking for ways to excuse their illegal actions because they refuse to admit that they're assholes.
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You guys each win one internet. You saw through my clearly stated plans to play the game legitimately without using Origin, to my true intention to pirate it! :rolleyes:
 
MaZa said:
*edit* Does this [H] have a spoiler hiding tag?
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You end a spoiler with [/spoiler], but you have to open it with
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eg.

Spoiler text goes here
 
Sabrewulf165 said:
You guys each win one internet. You saw through my clearly stated plans to play the game legitimately without using Origin, to my true intention to pirate it! :rolleyes:
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If you only intend to get a crack so be it. My point about pirates still stands.
 
Tudz said:
You end a spoiler with [/spoiler], but you have to open it with
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Spoiler text goes here
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Thanks! :D
 
I plan to replay the first two and then play 3 purchased retail and cracked without origin. I like the story and I get the business decision by EA but I do not want multiple places to get games. Just what we need more damned passwords.
 
MaZa said:
Hmm... Actually you are correct, Shadow Broker is an extension to Liara sidequest afterall. I just prefer to do it after the mainstory, after the "imminent threat" has been taken care of and such. However Arrival makes more sense to be played after everything else because of rather obvious reasons, A perfect ending for ME2 and bridging the game to ME3.


*edit* Does this [H] have a spoiler hiding tag?
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I prefer to do the Arrival mission after everything else. All other missions (excluding Tali's loyalty mission) and the other DLC's I prefer to play before the launch of the Reaper IFF mission.

I do Tali's loyalty mission after acquiring Legion only because taking him with you is funny as hell and you get a lot of additional dialog out of the Quarians by doing so. It doesn't have any effect on the outcome of Tali's mission by itself. After doing the Reaper IFF mission, you have exactly two missions which can be done before your crew starts dying. A couple of N7 missions or two loyalty missions are good choices to keep in reserve for this. After 3 missions half the crew dies. After 4, the entire crew dies save for Dr. Chakwas and your crew of specilists. I've never tried doing the Shadow Broker DLC at this point, but because it bounces you around so much, it may count as more than one mission as there are multiple legs of it. I don't think it would, but I can't say for certain. I usually save the Shadow Broker DLC as the last thing I do before the Reaper IFF mission. I also prefer to do Project Overlord sometime before that. I try to do all the DLC's save for the Arrival before the Reaper IFF mission so that I'll have all the weapon upgrades done before the launch of the Suicide mission. There is another upgrade to get during the Arrival mission, but I wouldn't consider this one mandatory or even necessary unless you are playing on the hardest difficulty settings. In that case the Arrival is pretty tough as you are alone with no backup for most of the mission.
 
Actually, I'm kind of disappointed that your teammates can't omni-gel you when you get taken down... like in Republic Commando. Your whole squad has to get wiped out before you get a game over screen there.
 
Dan_D said:
I prefer to do the Arrival mission after everything else. All other missions (excluding Tali's loyalty mission) and the other DLC's I prefer to play before the launch of the Reaper IFF mission.

I do Tali's loyalty mission after acquiring Legion only because taking him with you is funny as hell and you get a lot of additional dialog out of the Quarians by doing so. It doesn't have any effect on the outcome of Tali's mission by itself. After doing the Reaper IFF mission, you have exactly two missions which can be done before your crew starts dying. A couple of N7 missions or two loyalty missions are good choices to keep in reserve for this. After 3 missions half the crew dies. After 4, the entire crew dies save for Dr. Chakwas and your crew of specilists. I've never tried doing the Shadow Broker DLC at this point, but because it bounces you around so much, it may count as more than one mission as there are multiple legs of it. I don't think it would, but I can't say for certain. I usually save the Shadow Broker DLC as the last thing I do before the Reaper IFF mission. I also prefer to do Project Overlord sometime before that. I try to do all the DLC's save for the Arrival before the Reaper IFF mission so that I'll have all the weapon upgrades done before the launch of the Suicide mission. There is another upgrade to get during the Arrival mission, but I wouldn't consider this one mandatory or even necessary unless you are playing on the hardest difficulty settings. In that case the Arrival is pretty tough as you are alone with no backup for most of the mission.
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Thats what I do in pretty much all other Shepard playthroughs too, save for my "canon" one where the heartbroken Shep goes after Tali after Ashley practically told Shep to go fuck yourself on Horizon. :D So its impossible to wait that long. Bringing Legion to the Talis loyalty mission brings so much information about the conflict with Quarians and Geth, very interesting dialog. And its just so funny too. :D
 
I agree MaZa. I always cheated to get Legion earlier just for his awesome dialog. He best line was when you recruit Jack. I won't spoil it for people, but it's on YouTube.
 
Too bad you can't get Wrex as companion. Grunt just doesn't have it... i miss Wrex most from 1st part. Would gladly swap Tali and Garus for him.... never found them useful in any party configuration.
 
Just got around to ordering the physical copy of the PC version of the Collector's Edition. Kind of got around to it late and the only place I could get it was a pick up at Best Buy (ordered for pick up via BB online). Gamestop is completely sold out of the CE and so is Amazon. But hey, at least it's ordered.
 
cannondale06 said:
so now most of the people pirating the game will just use Origin for an excuse? I guess its not different than the other bs excuses jerks like that come up with.
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Not wanting to install spyware on your computer is a legitimate excuse. And if EA won't sell a spyware-free version, then people can either not play the game or pirate it.
 
ScretHate said:
Not wanting to install spyware on your computer is a legitimate excuse. And if EA won't sell a spyware-free version, then people can either not play the game or pirate it.
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It's a case of paranoia making people do things without 100% hard evidence I think.

I've seen places saying Origin is both evil and fine, most of them with little to no proof either way. It all comes down to who/what you want to believe and how much you trust EA (which I grant you isn't going to be many people). I run a firewall that I have to approve ever single app that wants access outside of the home network, but I'm not really into the whole "snoop every packet for exact data" type of person. Maybe I should take the time to learn and do it.

Me? I'm torn really. I've got a CE on preorder, but it doesn't mean I'll install it. I may wait and see if someone puts out a crack so it will work without Origin, and if so, then I might go that way and not feel bad since I did pay for it.

Personally, if you love the series and believe in BW to deliver a great conclusion, I'd look for an Origin free crack (it's going to exist just give it time) and use it on a retail copy you bought. Best of both worlds, and better than pirating.
 
Steam or no sale, the same with BF3 and it will be the same with every other game I purchase.

Their choice, their loss.
 
Limahl said:
It's a case of paranoia making people do things without 100% hard evidence I think.

I've seen places saying Origin is both evil and fine, most of them with little to no proof either way. It all comes down to who/what you want to believe and how much you trust EA (which I grant you isn't going to be many people).
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IIRC it was proven that Origin used to snoop around in places where it shouldnt, but this has been fixed now (also tested and proven). It only scans Origin and its game folder now. However its EULA still technically allows very suspicious behaviour IF they so wish to do. (except for Germans, they got in trouble there because of this. They have different EULA now... :D )

Why EA is so hellbent on keeping that part in EULA is beyond me, and its not exactly helping this trust issue either. They were already caught once afterall.
 
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MaZa said:
Why EA is so hellbent on keeping that part in EULA is beyond me, and its not exactly helping this trust issue either. They were already caught once afterall.
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Because the majority of people who do buy the PC version have no clue just what they are signing up for. Most will never know since it isn't going to be on the 5 o'clock news as a bullet item. EA will do it as long as they can get away with it, which will be a long time I'm guessing.

I suppose I could drop a note with concerns to my state rep and all, but I'm guessing EA is shelling out plenty for lobbyists to keep their snoopware going strong. Unlike SOPA, this gets no press outside of web forums.

If not for the potential PC modding that will come down the road, I'd just grab a PS3 copy and call it done, but I like modding, a lot.

Of course if you're worried about them tracking you down to your specific IP, use a VPN and get a tiny amount of peace of mind I guess. Don't know just how much it would help though.
 
I hate steam so much, I use it because the sales but I hate it

had a friend buy Civ V from Direct2Drive, he used the code on steam and they banned him

in their customer service responses (which are inexcusably slow since you can only exchange email and not live chat or call) they told him its because he was buying from an illegal reseller, he showed them his receipt from D2D and they stuck by their decision, he eventually called 2k themselves who called valve, and now his account is back finally

then there is steam updater updating games i have disabled it on
this includes patching DRM into the executable for skyrim that didnt have it, breaking 4GB LAA

then I buy a Disc for L4D and what the fuck it installs steam, I didn't want this shit (this was when I first became a PC gamer) I just wanted to play L4D net play with this shit program

then there is the goddamn offline mode never letting me play my goddamn games when im on my laptop on a road trip

and fuck valve too, I was a console gamer originally, and they refused to put their games on PS3 due to some pretty damn bullshit excuses, fucking gamers over so bad that didnt own an xbox or a gaming PC, at least EA got us the orange box even if it was a shoddy port
it took until they realized that only Sony would let them spread steam to another platform that they finally ported a game to PS3

but I'll keep using steam, because the bundle prices are good

but you know what fuck origin too, but I'll keep using it since the games are good (just like the only reason I tolerated steam in the first place was for L4D)

And I can't be angry at EA compared to valve, at least EA has always supported all gamers, and Origin makes sense, it doesnt matter how many people pirate or dont buy ME3 at all, the increased revenue from selling through their own platform as opposed to valve taking a ridiculously high cut will more than make up for lost sales, especially when the additional DLC revenue is factored in

but fuck EA, they arent supporting all distribution platforms

TL;DR FUCK EA, FUCK VALVE, FUCK STEAM, FUCK ORIGIN, just be a gamer and play the damn games
 
Limahl said:
Because the majority of people who do buy the PC version have no clue just what they are signing up for. Most will never know since it isn't going to be on the 5 o'clock news as a bullet item. EA will do it as long as they can get away with it, which will be a long time I'm guessing.
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If it wasn't for hardforum, I wouldn't have known about "we reserve the right to spy on you" part of the EULA for Origin either (or the Steam one for that matter). EULAs and TOS should be banned IMO, its just not practical to assume that your average user is gonna read 10,000 words worth of EULA for every damned program they're going to install (or in the case of BF3 on Origin, 3 or 4 of them!).
 
Damn, preorder ME3 and get BF3 for free. That's a pretty slick deal.

I was thinking about trying to find a physical CE, but I may be tempted to bite on this.
 
Tudz said:
If it wasn't for hardforum, I wouldn't have known about "we reserve the right to spy on you" part of the EULA for Origin either (or the Steam one for that matter). EULAs and TOS should be banned IMO, its just not practical to assume that your average user is gonna read 10,000 words worth of EULA for every damned program they're going to install (or in the case of BF3 on Origin, 3 or 4 of them!).
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George Carlin said it best I think.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/george-carlin-on-the-american-dream/

"They don't want people capable of critical thinking".
 
Limahl said:
George Carlin said it best I think.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/george-carlin-on-the-american-dream/

"They don't want people capable of critical thinking".
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So you honestly read every single EULA and TOS before you purchase your games, operating systems, etc? If you do, I'm mighty impressed. You probably spend more time reading legal documents about games and gaming systems than you do actually playing them :p

I personally think they should be banned because its not reasonable for people to go through that much crap before purchasing any and every product. Imagine a day of a Steam sale where you want to buy half a dozen games, the damned sale would be over before you got through reading all the EULAs. Then trying to figure out which parts of different ones are actually legally binding or not :p

When I walk into a shop to buy a TV, a shirt, a table, whatever, I don't have to sign a 20 page document about it, and they certainly don't give me the document AFTER I've purchased it. I know my rights because there's common consumer protection laws and trade practices acts.

I'm not sure what I'd propose to replace EULAs on software, some sort of common law which stops companies making up their own out-of-the-blue rules specific to their software. I'm not really sure, what I am sure of, however, is EULAs suck hairy dog balls. The TOS on the EA page at the moment when copy and pasted into Word is 17 pages and 8600 words even if you trim off the parts specific to Sony/MS at the end, and its hardly light reading.
 
MaZa said:
IIRC it was proven that Origin used to snoop around in places where it shouldnt, but this has been fixed now (also tested and proven). It only scans Origin and its game folder now. However its EULA still technically allows very suspicious behaviour IF they so wish to do. (except for Germans, they got in trouble there because of this. They have different EULA now... :D )

Why EA is so hellbent on keeping that part in EULA is beyond me, and its not exactly helping this trust issue either. They were already caught once afterall.
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The reality is if you go look through the EULA of services you use, and not just computer gaming related services, there will be broad provisions related to data collection.

Singling out EA for this is pointless. If you are actually really concerned about this issue you should contact your political representatives to implement stronger consumer protection laws like Germany which you mention. Otherwise a directed attack against a single party is obviously motivated by other agendas and not the actual issue at hand.
 
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