Machine Gun Mounted iPod

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  1. Despotes

    Despotes Gawd

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    Yeah, it's another, "It's not a machine gun" reply.

    Umm. That's not a machine gun. :)

    I'd expect Obama to say it's a scary machine gun. ;)
     
  2. Greyryder

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    I find the M16 family, and its derivitives to be scary for the guy behind the trigger. I've seen the numbers from reliability testing for those things, compared to other rifles. I know H&K makes a number of rifles based on the M16 mechanism, but they use a different, more reliable gas mechanism.

    And, those of us who aren't fire arms experts consider automatic rifles to be machine guns. Big suckers like the M60 or M240 are heavy machine guns. Might not be the proper terminology for those in the know, but that's what most people see them as.
     
  3. Olaf

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    That's an awesome sniper rifle. It's almost like cheating to have all that ballistic data calculated for you like that.
     
  4. Emission

    Emission [H]ardness Supreme

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    And I was just getting ready to say how useless this is, nevermind then!
     
  5. Olaf

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    The M-16/AR-15 platform is very reliable. Those of us in the know also call automatic rifles machine guns. The difference is the M-110 rifle with the ipod mounted on it is a semi automatic. That means that only one cartridge fires with each pull of the trigger.
     
  6. motomonkey

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    "The M-16/AR-15 platform is very reliable. Those of us in the know also call automatic rifles machine guns. The difference is the M-110 rifle with the ipod mounted on it is a semi automatic. That means that only one cartridge fires with each pull of the trigger."


    not wanting to sound like an ass, but, by definition, a machine gun fires more than one round per pull of the trigger, so, no, those of us in the know do NOT call an semi-automatic rifle a machine gun. "black rifles" have a bad enough rep as it is. and yes, I have used "machine guns" and semi-automatic rifles a long time....

    main problem with the AR family is that it does require a certain degree of attention to keep it functioning. keep it clean, it works, neglect it, and you will pay.

    the Ipod on the M110, great idea, thats a bit fragile looking, ipods are by no means made to put up with the crap soldiers do by neccesity to their equipment. I can't imagine banging that fragile looking mount around in the woods or the desert. much less an urban enviroment
     
  7. Enduring_Warrior

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    You're very wrong, it's an Advanced Marksman Rifle. A Sniper/Scout wouldn't ever use something like that. Too much noise. Unless you want go get spotted/killed. So either this is a joke or is pointed at the Hunting market.
     
  8. Enduring_Warrior

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    Thats fine and dandy what about when you are out in the filed and away from base? Who's gonna give you maintenance? Who's gonna charge your Ipod?
    What about wiping your butt while they're at it?
    Why are we arguing over this senseless unpractical and stupid mod? This seemes as something out of Starcfract.
     
  9. BrotherLen

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    I really liked the M-4/M-16 series of rifles, they're really great (now) and as long as you maintain them. the iPod mount on the rail system? joe will buy anything. My iPod helped me keep my sanity over there.
     
  10. motomonkey

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    "You're very wrong, it's an Advanced Marksman Rifle. A Sniper/Scout wouldn't ever use something like that. Too much noise. Unless you want go get spotted/killed. So either this is a joke or is pointed at the Hunting market."

    per the wiki...

    "The M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System is intended to replace the M24 Sniper Weapon System used by snipers, spotters, designated marksmen, or squad advanced marksmen in the United States Army. The U.S. Army ran a competition involving several designs, including ones from Knight's Armament Company, Remington, and DPMS Panther Arms. On September 28, 2005, the Knight's Armament Co. rifle won the competition and was selected to be the M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System. In April 2007, U.S. Army soldiers from Task Force Fury in Afghanistan were the first in a combat zone to receive the M110."

    If you look at the picture from the original article, that long skinny sand colored object just below the m110 is a sound suppressor..... and considering that the m110 is the designated replacement of the M24 bolt action sniper rifle, I think it will work just fine as a SDM rifle or as sniper system, just depends on what optics you hang on it. which is the point of a modular weapons system.
     
  11. Olaf

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    Did you even read my post? I said automatic rifles are machine guns, semi-automatics like the rifle discussed in this post are not. Any firearm will have reliability issues if it's not kept clean and lubed.
     
  12. Chombo

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    My ARs have been functioning flawlessly for years. The only problems I had were due to a crappy magazine with a crappy follower.

    Honestly though as much as the gas piston models are vaunted, I would much rather stay mil std. Plus the current system is so much easier to clean anyway. I can strip the rifle and clean in it in less than 5 minutes. Granted, I am not in the sandbox, but it seems most soldiers I have talked to haven't had any complaints with their M4s.

    From good ol' Wiki

    Honestly none of those stats are terribly impressive. Although its pretty sad that 25% of the errors were magazine caused. Which seems about how my experiences have been.
     
  13. Met-AL

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    Any time I saw a weapon labeled as a machine gun during my years of service, they were weapons such as the M2 or the M60 or M249, all which were belt fed. And weapons such as the M16 or the 92PFS were absolutely not referred to as guns, period.

    Of course, that was old school, back almost 20yrs ago in the 90's. So who knows the new military calls their weapons. I see now they have to have fore hand grips.
     
  14. matrix563

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    interesting, they should use some of hte recoil energy to recharge the ipod :D :p
     
  15. aShrubbery!

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    Would the recoil not damage the Ipod in the long run?
    How resistant is it to that kind of shock?
     
  16. StillFunkyB

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    Exactly what I was thinking of. I love that song.
     
  17. kllrnohj

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    I kind of doubt it. It is solid state, no moving parts and all. I don't know how well the screen would hold up, but I don't see how recoil would damage the internals.
     
  18. RangerXML

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    Try using a cheap scope on a full auto assault rifle and get back to me on this. The shock of the recoil can eat up most anything internally. Think of it as your iPod Touch is in about a dozen car accidents a minute, even worst on on a classic with a HDD.
     
  19. Chombo

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    +1 doesn't even have to be full auto or of a high caliber. BSA + 12 guage = unhappy.
     
  20. xX_Jack_Carver_Xx

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    Im surprised they haven't integrated the "Reflex" with a real good scope... so you peer through the scope in singlefire mode for long range, but look through the reflex/laser in full auto for close range. Seems you could make a combination device.

    The rifle needs to implement a hydrolic drive rather than using exhaust gas to drive the mechanism. Combined with a heatpipe/hand hold as a more effective barrel cooling that gives you a hand hold that doesn't get nasty hot.

    The electronics belongs in your overall comm's/gps/maps/etc package, with a hires flip down eyepiece, rther than being on the gun.

    The only part of the ballistic computer type stuff that should be on the gun is for the scope to be precision-calibrated, using the same technology Nikon uses for autofocus, that provides a very accurate range/distance measure.... the scope autofocuses on what you point at, and where the adjustment had to be set tells youo very precisely how far the object in the crosshair is. A sniper rifle can take this a step farther and actually adjust the barrel to assure a flawless shot.... leaving only wind/weather to the snipers training.

    Elevation is doable with gps/altimeter and a built in laser level in the rifle/optics to again, very precisely given you the elevation relationship between target and shooter.

    The Army is making the most of the latest technical possibilities in the way NASA does... 20 years behind the times.

    Plus the bulk of forces should switch to 680 rather than 556 for stopping power without making the ammo as heavy as 762.
     
  21. Chombo

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    EOtech makes a 3x magnifier that mounts behind the sight, that you can move as needed.

    Stopping power on 5.56 isn't that much of an issue. It was the penetration though cover and at range. SS109 some of that allegedly. IMHO 6.8 SPC is just too expensive to impliment, in addition to making ammo incompatible with most other guns like the SAW and other NATO forces.
     
  22. Mr.MadMac

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    If they'd had these before I retired in '07, I'd probably have stayed in longer :)

    Ok, probably not but the mount is kind of interesting.