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Love your socket 754?

bobrownik said:
i hated my 754 , the cpu didn't overclock for shit, i got like 100mhz out of it ,
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That's odd. Many users in the s754 club are hitting 2600 MHz without really trying too hard and some users like myself can run 3DMark at 2800 MHz.

The Venice core s754 processors are beasts, all of them. Sounds like you had a crappy motherboard or perhaps it was just a case of user error! :eek:
 
kent said:
I would think about clocking it up a little more but I fear the core might run a little too hot. May need to invest in a better cooler, like the cheap 4 pipe Coolermaster/AMD unit. You did say 55-60C was the upper limits of these chips so I'm heeding that advice. By the way, did you use Zalman's paste or AS? I used a little AS5 I had left over.
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I've been using a tube of generic paste from Radio Shack for the last few years and was using that when I was running the OEM heatpipe cooler.

When I swapped coolers recently I used MX-1 from Arctic cooling.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/further_prod2.php?idx=60

The temperature charts look nice if they're actually true. I'll let you know in a week if the temperature drops any as the paste cures.
 
Hey unclewebb, I have an odd problem now.

Sometimes on a cold boot the BIOS says "CPU is now in safe setting! Blah blah blah", so I just reset the computer and it boots up just fine. It's odd because it never did that before the RAM swap (1.0GB->1.5GB) and the only overclocking options I have in the BIOS is an HTT of 201 (so the PCI lock will work) and initial voltage of +5.1% which actually results in 1.6v (more like 10% to me)

It's not a showstopper at all, a simple reset fixes it right up and it boots up into Windows and my .bat file hits 2603MHz so it's not an a BAD problem, just slightly annoying.

Got any ideas? I was thinking of using "Halt on no errors" in the BIOS but I didn't know if that would accidently boot the computer at HTT200 where my PCI lock is not working.
 
unclewebb said:
That's odd. Many users in the s754 club are hitting 2600 MHz without really trying too hard and some users like myself can run 3DMark at 2800 MHz.

The Venice core s754 processors are beasts, all of them. Sounds like you had a crappy motherboard or perhaps it was just a case of user error! :eek:
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Or possibly he was using an old Clawhammer or Newcastle. My Claws don't oc very well. I have both C0 (3400+) and CG (3700+). Interestingly, I can oc the rev C0 3400+ higher (percentage wise) than the CG 3700+. Of course, mobo selection probably has a lot to do with that, too.
The Venice core cpu's are the best thing to ever happen to skt 754, no doubt about it.
 
kent: I'm not sure about your motherboard but I know on my Gigabyte K8NS board I used to have some lock ups in the BIOS, usually when my computer was extremely hot and I tried to reboot in the middle or just after a Prime run.

When you overclock a CPU adding a little bit of extra voltage helps with stability and it seems that adding a little extra voltage to the chipset helps there too. Adding +0.1 or +0.2 volts to the nVidia chipset has fixed most lock ups in the BIOS for me.

I know mixing and matching different ram can cause some problems. There's a program called Thaiphoon Burner that lets you re-program your SPD memory timings so you can make two different modules look very similar to your motherboard by changing the SPD settings. Most users get a little squeamish when it comes to doing crazy stuff like this but I think that's helped me as well.

I reprogrammed my PC3200 memory to pretend to be PC2700 memory so now at default settings, my motherboard sets the memory divider to 166 which is just what I want when I'm overclocking. I've also adjusted the cas latency from 2.0 to 2.5.

Now I don't have to worry about my motherboard getting confused and trying to use some default memory settings that won't work with my overclock and will only lock things up. It is now forced to use the default settings that I want it to use because they've been permanently programmed into the memory module.

Here's my ultra rare OCZ PC2700 CL2.5 Platinum memory that likes to run at PC3700 speeds. :)

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I can't add voltage to the chipset unfortunately, and like I said it's not a showstopper because a simple reset fixes it and it boots Windows A-OK.

It doesn't seem to matter if it's hot or not, since the motherboard is going to force DDR333 anyways (at startup) I'll just double force it to and see if that works instead of it trying to hit DDR400 (if that's what the actual problem is)

I'd rather not reprogram SPD settings on my memory modules, but thanks for the tip :cool:
 
Here's some interesting info how voltage and MHz will effect your CPU temp.

I started by running Prime at my overclocked setting of 2701 MHz and 1.71 volts with the temp steady at about 56C.

Using ClockGen I dropped it back to default speed of 2004 MHz and the CPU temp dropped 5C to 51C

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Next I dropped the voltage down to the default of 1.40 volts and the temp took a big drop from about 50C down to 41C.

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Conclusion: Overclocking your CPU an extra 100 MHz doesn't add a lot of heat but
extra volts = extra heat so keep an eye on temps when applying some extra voltage to your CPU.
 
The thing is, I'm Prime stable at 1.55-1.58v (depends on load, see image) and you're running an extra .15 volts to hit only +100MHz over me. Adding that much voltage is sure to generate too much heat methinks.

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Also, I'm having another odd problem. I've got ClockGen setup to launch via a .bat file I placed in my Start Up folder. On one out of maybe 5 or 6 boots the computer will hard lock while trying to change CPU settings.

I'm wondering if there's maybe a better place to launch my bat file than the Start Up folder because -maybe- it's launching at the same time as another app is set to launch or something like that. I'm grasping at straws with that explaination :confused:

Once it gets into Windows and changes the CPU speed over to 2603MHz then everything is STABLE. Just getting there sometimes with having to reset the computer after turning it on and now this.. it's just kinda annoying. I point my fingers at the Biostar motherboard, though. Got any ideas?
 
BigMacAttack said:
The Venice core cpu's are the best thing to ever happen to skt 754, no doubt about it.
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Well, Newark chips are pretty sweet. If only the prices would come down :(
 
Yes, but you also must be aware that not all mobo's support them. I spoke with an AMD support engineer about this some time ago and she warned me about compatibility issues. She said (off the record) that DFI's do indeed support the Newarks but some other mobo's (she didn't specify) don't, so its a crap shoot. I've not had, or heard of, any issues with the Venices as long as you have the latest bios version for your mobo. For the price/performance ratio the Venices, to me, are by far the best of the skt 754 cpu's.
 
Ok guys I'm back. If you forgot, here is what I have:

Biostar T-Force 6100
3700 Clawhammer

and now

2X512 Team Xtreem-this is supposed to run at 270MHz with 2-2-2-5 timings. While I'm not sure I can supply the voltage needed to run that high, I'm sure I have the memory to overclock well.

So, any suggestions on where to start?
 
Anyone here knows that I love my s754 Athlon but when it came time to build a new computer for a friend, I crossed over to the other side to check out the Intel hype.

Here's my budget system:
Intel E6300 Core2 Duo 1866 MHz ( 266 MHz x 7 ).
Micron DDR2-667 CL5, 1.8 volts
Gigabyte 965P-DS3.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012

Price wise, the E6300 compares to an Athlon64 X2-4200+.
Memory and motherboard pricing is very similar between the two platforms but after some overclocking, there's no comparison.

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The Core 2 Duo is a beast.
The above is Prime stable on both cores at default CPU voltage.
Memory Voltage +0.3 volts 1.8v => 2,1v
Memory Multiplier 2X => DDR2-944
Timings CL=4, tRCD=4, tRP=4, tRAS=12
FSB 266 MHz => 472 MHz

It was as simple as any AMD to overclock and the Intel OEM heatsink and fan are more than adequate. It's quiet and stable at full load.
With better memory and a little extra CPU voltage this thing would go even faster! :eek:

SuperPi spits out 1M in 17.6 seconds. AMD offers nothing at any price that compares to a bottom of the line $180 overclocked Intel E6300 even when running cheap CL5-5-5 DDR2-667 memory.

If you encode video then you're going to love a clocked Core 2 Duo but I also found that for a lot of real world stuff, there's surprisingly not that much difference.

When it comes time to upgrade, skip AM2 and have a good look at Intel. That's my plan someday when I actually "need" a faster computer.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Yes, but you also must be aware that not all mobo's support them. I spoke with an AMD support engineer about this some time ago and she warned me about compatibility issues. She said (off the record) that DFI's do indeed support the Newarks but some other mobo's (she didn't specify) don't, so its a crap shoot. I've not had, or heard of, any issues with the Venices as long as you have the latest bios version for your mobo. For the price/performance ratio the Venices, to me, are by far the best of the skt 754 cpu's.
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The only real issue with my Newark/Infinity is restarting....it doesn't work normally and I have to hold down the power button to do so.
 
You can't restart and I can't cold boot sometimes lol. Overclockers.... :rolleyes:
 
I never get tired of this thread. Still sporting my 754 rig. I intend to until UT2007 comes out! I may cave in for a video upgrade sometime, but I've been holding myself back, convinced that saving and waiting will yield better results.
 
Yup, I'm always amazed at how many posts are in this thread. s754 is still alive and kicking!
I'm waiting for Team Fortress 2 to come out. It looks hilarious! The new characters and animation look outrageous. I'm just hoping my X800Pro will handle it.
 
I bet it will run fine on an X800PRO. The source engine is very scalable. Even my 6600GT can nearly max settings with HDR in HL2:EP1.
 
I ordered an Athlon 3000 Venice today from Newegg for $66. I want to give that a try since the 3700 Clawhammer doesn't OC that well (although it doesn't really need to). The farthest I've gotten is 2490, but even then it only Primes for about 3 hours.
 
tsuehpsyde said:
He does, he just keeps us all in the dark about it. Why else would he not own a Conroe? :p

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yea i never noticed until now. WHY havnt you gone conroe?
 
ep1taph said:
I bet it will run fine on an X800PRO. The source engine is very scalable. Even my 6600GT can nearly max settings with HDR in HL2:EP1.
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Sweet. The movie runs well enough but that's just the advertising movie. If you haven't seen the movie for TF2 go to www.tnpklan.com and go to the 4rum link. You'll see the screen here. If it doesn't start playing just right click and then click play/pause. Great graphics and looks fun!
 
Gibby82 said:
I ordered an Athlon 3000 Venice today from Newegg for $66. I want to give that a try since the 3700 Clawhammer doesn't OC that well (although it doesn't really need to). The farthest I've gotten is 2490, but even then it only Primes for about 3 hours.
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I got 2.68 out of mine when I had it installed in my NV8 mobo. Some guys do even better. Its a fast little beast but it likes voltages in the 1.6v-1.7v range.
 
Holy crap! What a nice looking board for a small HTPC build or mini-router....

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Holy !@#$ Look at that freakin' pricetag!!

Kind of pricey.. umm, wow :) Its a clever form factor, but sheeeeettt. I like s754, but that space comes at a premium.
 
Install a TV-Tuner and you've got an HTPC, nice.
I know it's not the market they were going for, but I wish they would have come out with a PCIe version too. One of these with any recent video card (6600GT or better) would be absolutely awesome for building a micro gaming computer.
 
I have just finished Prime 95 testing my s754 3400+ (from the Newegg deal) for 19.5hours @ 2750. I will need to drop my Vcore a notch and try it again. I also could use to play around with my Ram settings. I messed with THESE OCZ STICKS much at all. IIRC, I can get to 225 @ 2,3,2,11,T1 with vdimm on auto. I don't know what is a 'safe' amount of vdimm I can put into these. The price is WAY higher for them now, and I certainly don't want to kill them.

BTW: I am running the CPU on an Epox EP-8NPA SLI motherboard. I bought it from the forums from a guy who bought the combo, never used it and split up the parts...
 
Thats standard DDR, hike the voltage up to between 3.0 and 3.2v and let her fly!

I'm using a 1GB stick of Curcial Value RAM (AKA, very cheap RAM) and for 24/7 use I run 2.9v, 250MHz (DDR500), Stock timings (3-3-3-8 2T).

I can get it up to 260MHz (DDR 520) with 3.1v at the same timings :D
 
deadken said:
BTW: I am running the CPU on an Epox EP-8NPA SLI motherboard. I bought it from the forums from a guy who bought the combo, never used it and split up the parts...
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Nice board eh? I have a couple issues mainly being the layout of the CPU socket and DIMM slots sucks but otherwise it seems quality. It wasn't until I popped my memory in when I realized the slots are actually touching hence the heatspreaders are butting up against each other with no room for air to flow in between. Then I couldn't get my Freezer Pro 64 to install facing the back of the case no matter how much maneuvering I tried. That's what I get for being so late in the game.
 
DedEmbryonicCe11 said:
Nice board eh? I have a couple issues mainly being the layout of the CPU socket and DIMM slots sucks but otherwise it seems quality. It wasn't until I popped my memory in when I realized the slots are actually touching hence the heatspreaders are butting up against each other with no room for air to flow in between. Then I couldn't get my Freezer Pro 64 to install facing the back of the case no matter how much maneuvering I tried. That's what I get for being so late in the game.
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I didn't really notice the DIMM sockets... I will have to look closer next time I am in the case... I like this board a lot. I went from my Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP and a 130nm A64 3000+ to an Albatron NF4 w/PCI-e that wouldn't work with 2 memory sticks installed. I RMA'd the Albatron and bought the Epox.... I am SO glad that the Albatron wasn't working right! Now, with the A64 3400+, this Epox is really showing it's stuff! (Well, the X1900 XTX doesn't hurt either...). I really like the PC Health stats being showed during Boot up (you can disable it inside BIOS).

I am upset that I can't seem to get an accurate Vcore reading (with the Epox) from inside of Windows no matter what program I use. Gigabyte offers its own free utility that gives you stats and lets you O/C right through Windows. Other then that, I guess I could complain about the placement of the CMOS reset jumper and Battery. It's bad enough to have to pop the case to reset CMOS, it only makes matters worse when you have to uplug a bunch of cables and pull drive cages.

In other news: I dropped my Vcore from +0.15 (BIOS shows it as 1.6) to +0.125 (BIOS shows it as 1.57) and tried running P95 again to see if I could still run @ 2750 w/less Vcore. I 'only' got 5hrs 33mins before it failed out (I stopped the +.015 Vcore run after 19.5 hours). Ohhh well, I would have REALLY like to run the lower Vcore. I was running @ 48*C with the +0.125 Vcore (w/ a lapped XP-120 HS), I will have to see what my temps are with the +0.15 Vcore.
 
The EPoX has a feature called "Safe Overclocking", next time you can't get to teh BIOS because of a bad overclock, just hit reset a couple of times and the BIOS will reset itself after it detects 2 failed boot cycles.

I've never had to touch the CMOS reset jumper :D
 
Ahhh.... That sounds pretty cool and rather great! Perhaps I should remember to RTFM!

Since I have 3 s754 Rigs running at the moment (with the parts for number 4 to go into my Daughters rig soon), I should inquire on how I would go about entiring the elite ranks of the 'Love your S754' membership?
 
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