Linux is awful...apparently

[BulletDust]

You asked a simple question, I answered it. Don't reply what.

I'll reply with whatever I want, your post is a joke.

 

[Agromahdi123]

The only people that complain about linux are people who have never used DOS, you guys are too used to GUI's that you have forgotten all about the fact that both Windows, and Linux require you to learn their console commands, and if you dont your a fucking dolt. If you copy and paste shit on windows instead of using powershell xcopy, your not a computer guy, your a fucking n00b. If you cant tell that LSHW and LSPCI stand for LIST PCI DEVICES and LIST HARDWARE, your fucking dumb. You wanna know why linux sucks? systemd, end of story. If your shitpost about linux is about learning console commands, you dont fucking use linux. If you fucking complain about console commands, YOU DONT FUCKING USE WINDOWS EITHER considering the fact that MS server without a GUI requires the same knowledge of headless OS's that SSH into a linux server will.

 

[BulletDust]

What's people's issue with systemd? I've personally never had an issue with it that I felt was worth complaining about.

Is it an actual technical limitation imposed on the OS or is the issue more of a moral one?

 

[Agromahdi123]

systemd just does different things on different distros based on how they implement it, so sometimes it just fucks with you.

 

[auntjemima]

The only people that complain about linux are people who have never used DOS, you guys are too used to GUI's that you have forgotten all about the fact that both Windows, and Linux require you to learn their console commands, and if you dont your a fucking dolt. If you copy and paste shit on windows instead of using powershell xcopy, your not a computer guy, your a fucking n00b. If you cant tell that LSHW and LSPCI stand for LIST PCI DEVICES and LIST HARDWARE, your fucking dumb. You wanna know why linux sucks? systemd, end of story. If your shitpost about linux is about learning console commands, you dont fucking use linux. If you fucking complain about console commands, YOU DONT FUCKING USE WINDOWS EITHER considering the fact that MS server without a GUI requires the same knowledge of headless OS's that SSH into a linux server will.

Are you suggesting that every time someone wants to copy a file within an OS they should be doing so through the terminal? L to the o to the l.

 

[ChadD]

They often forget that Windows offers so many small helpful things that most don't even consider. Then we need to known console commands that are obscurely named to do things. lshw... lol, OF COURSE!

The Linux commands are not as obscure as you would think. Anyone that has used a Unix system understands the logic. Even those that got ruined by the odd man out OSs of MS can see the logic.

LS in unix and linux is list. if you hit LS and hit enter you get a file list.

lshw (list hardware)
lsusb (list usb)
lscpu (list cpu)
lspci (list pci)
lsscisi (list scsi)
lsblk (list block devices)

See the logic here right ?

Sure some of the other useful linux commands need to be learned. Really though its not that big a deal... hey find a good linux command wall paper. (half kidding )

 

[auntjemima]

The Linux commands are not as obscure as you would think. Anyone that has used a Unix system understands the logic. Even those that got ruined by the odd man out OSs of MS can see the logic.

LS in unix and linux is list. if you hit LS and hit enter you get a file list.

lshw (list hardware)
lsusb (list usb)
lscpu (list cpu)
lspci (list pci)
lsscisi (list scsi)
lsblk (list block devices)

See the logic here right ?

Sure some of the other useful linux commands need to be learned. Really though its not that big a deal... hey find a good linux command wall paper. (half kidding )

You're half kidding but I think that's an amazing idea. I generally don't use a wallpaper anyways.

I love this idea!

 

[ChadD]

New user says "This is my issue with Linux". Linux guru calls them a noob and tells them to go back to Windows. Helpful as always.

The main issue with new users coming to Linux is ego.

Far to many people consider themselves power user types, they have used computers since MS-dos they have seen xp vista 7 8 10. They come to Linux expecting to be power users by the end of day one or two. That isn't going to happen.

The main issue is not many people are really willing to be humble students. Linux is not windows... but it is very much the same in most ways as Unix or MacOS.

IMO Windows masks a lot of users true computer savviness (best word I could think of)... I'm sorry but if all you know how to use in windows is GUI tools your no power user. Regardless of OS the best tool to handle a lot of functions is a bash shell terminal command prompt powershell whatever we want to call it. At the end of the day text input is simply a faster more accurate way to invoke many functions.

If the depth of your computing experience is with one Operating system... you can't expect that to all transfer with a few clicks to a completely different OS. As much as Unix BSD / Solaris / Linux / Mac have in common moving from one to the other involves learning what is different and what is not as well. Unfortunately windows GUI tools are quite a bit different then every other system in the world. MS command line is even more confusing as MS really does do their own thing. I know there are people that love powershell but compared to bash in most people opinion its <. There is a good reason MS has added Linux subsystems to windows.

I didn't mean to write a book. Its simple come in knowing you have a lot to learn and be willing to do so and learning the ins and outs of Linux is actually fun. All the Can it run Linux type people are having fun. Don't expect a perfect system for you on day one, enjoy learning something new and after a few weeks or so ime most advanced windows users can be fairly advanced Linux users... from there its up to you, even after years of using Linux for plenty of different tasks I learn new things all the time.

 

[ChadD]

You're half kidding but I think that's an amazing idea. I generally don't use a wallpaper anyways.

I love this idea!

I saw a server admin guy years ago using one years ago and mad fun of him... and of course 10 min later I asked him if he remembered the command for something silly and ya his response was, "hmmmm let me see I don't remember either let me show my desktop ohhh ya its xxxxxx" Didn't live that down for awhile. lol

 

[auntjemima]

The main issue with new users coming to Linux is ego.

Far to many people consider themselves power user types, they have used computers since MS-dos they have seen xp vista 7 8 10. They come to Linux expecting to be power users by the end of day one or two. That isn't going to happen.

The main issue is not many people are really willing to be humble students. Linux is not windows... but it is very much the same in most ways as Unix or MacOS.

IMO Windows masks a lot of users true computer savviness (best word I could think of)... I'm sorry but if all you know how to use in windows is GUI tools your no power user. Regardless of OS the best tool to handle a lot of functions is a bash shell terminal command prompt powershell whatever we want to call it. At the end of the day text input is simply a faster more accurate way to invoke many functions.

If the depth of your computing experience is with one Operating system... you can't expect that to all transfer with a few clicks to a completely different OS. As much as Unix BSD / Solaris / Linux / Mac have in common moving from one to the other involves learning what is different and what is not as well. Unfortunately windows GUI tools are quite a bit different then every other system in the world. MS command line is even more confusing as MS really does do their own thing. I know there are people that love powershell but compared to bash in most people opinion its <. There is a good reason MS has added Linux subsystems to windows.

I didn't mean to write a book. Its simple come in knowing you have a lot to learn and be willing to do so and learning the ins and outs of Linux is actually fun. All the Can it run Linux type people are having fun. Don't expect a perfect system for you on day one, enjoy learning something new and after a few weeks or so ime most advanced windows users can be fairly advanced Linux users... from there its up to you, even after years of using Linux for plenty of different tasks I learn new things all the time.

When posting here I try to post as the "new user" and sympathize with their issues. I know that ls lists things and I knew what the previous commands were. I can run a ton of things via the terminal now and the things I cannot, I google. I think the issue is transferring people from their very familiar OS to the unfamiliar is a hard process and I can sympathize when they complain that something simple in their old OS can be less simple in the new OS.

I find this attitude is common for new Linux users. I find the more savvy ones just think everyone is out to complain, why really we just want things simple.

 

[ChadD]

What's people's issue with systemd? I've personally never had an issue with it that I felt was worth complaining about.

Is it an actual technical limitation imposed on the OS or is the issue more of a moral one?

I believe its mostly a loss of choice issue for most people that hate it.
https://www.infoworld.com/article/3159124/linux/linux-why-do-people-hate-systemd.html

Having said that if you really really hate it Gentoo defaults to openrc.

Personally I have no issues with Systmed I know its not the fastest option.. but a unified option is imo preferable. For people that would rather go without their are distros that don't use systemd. To me they aren't worth the extra hassle for what you gain... perhaps a slightly faster boot perhaps a bit more security and a more stable boot (not that I believe systemd is the mess some claim) Those that really hate it are overstating things imo anyway.

 

[ChadD]

Are you suggesting that every time someone wants to copy a file within an OS they should be doing so through the terminal? L to the o to the l.

Not everytime but understanding how to batch copy from a terminal is pretty damn useful.

For instance... lets say you want to back up files every night easily with no overhead or messing around. You could script this to run whenever you want.

xcopy "C:\path_to_your_shit" D:\Backup /c /d /e /h /k /q /r /s /x /y /i

/c - no stopping for errors
/d - newer then those already copied
/e - copy empty
/h - copy hidden
/k - keep attributes
/q - run it slient (no output)
/r - include read only
/s - all files and folders
/x - maintain ownerships
/y - don't prompt overwrite
/i from dir to dir

You see how much easier that is then going into a gui every night and manually figuring out what files have changes and need backed up. I mean you could buy some backup software I guess that is doing pretty much the same thing.

You could script whatever you want from there. In Linux perhaps I want to use a command like that but I want to compress the files into a backup archive. Each night adding changed files. All of that can be scripted without much hassle.

Anyway just wanted to give one practical use of a command prompt for something as simple as copying a few files.

 

[ManofGod]

I'll reply with whatever I want, your post is a joke.

What, you stick your fingers in your ears and say la la la la la.......????? You asked a question, he answered it, very straight forward and simple. Oh, and Linux does not suck but, it is also not the Year of the Linux Desktop either and never will be.

 

[Agromahdi123]

Are you suggesting that every time someone wants to copy a file within an OS they should be doing so through the terminal? L to the o to the l.

nah, sorry what i said definitely did imply that. I meant for more technical copy/pastes like sys files, etc

 

[BulletDust]

nah, sorry what i said definitely did imply that. I meant for more technical copy/pastes like sys files, etc

I find SSHing into a server is so much easier than fucking around with a GUI. It's not until you're administering servers via SSH that you truly appreciate the terminal. Having said that, the use of the terminal in a modern Linux distro is no more necessary than it is under macOS.

 

[BulletDust]

What, you stick your fingers in your ears and say la la la la la.......????? You asked a question, he answered it, very straight forward and simple. Oh, and Linux does not suck but, it is also not the Year of the Linux Desktop either and never will be.

The term 'Peripheral Component Interface' has a whole lot of nothing to do with the discussion at hand in any way whatsoever - Hence 'What?'

As always, your post is useless and no more than a stab at other users. Are you capable of participating positively in mature discussion? As I can honestly say that it appears you can't.

 

[BulletDust]

When posting here I try to post as the "new user" and sympathize with their issues. I know that ls lists things and I knew what the previous commands were. I can run a ton of things via the terminal now and the things I cannot, I google. I think the issue is transferring people from their very familiar OS to the unfamiliar is a hard process and I can sympathize when they complain that something simple in their old OS can be less simple in the new OS.

I find this attitude is common for new Linux users. I find the more savvy ones just think everyone is out to complain, why really we just want things simple.

Within the English language we have what's called a 'request' and then we have what is called a 'statement'. The context of the written word is determined solely by what is specifically written. This post:

I've been using Linux on and off for at least 15 years in some specialized cases and on servers, but I couldn't imagine it as a desktop OS. The gaming issues aside (which doesn't matter how many times has it been said is still the main reason why linux is not a viable os for many) Windows (except for the recent idiocies with telemetry and updates) I just use. On Linux whenever I wanted to do something I first had to refer to the documentation or online sources to find out how can I do what I want to do. And I don't just mean the OS itself. It's whenever I need a new feature, or a new utility for some purpose. Need to find out what CPU this computer is running? Search solution online, download util from repository. find out usage parameters of said util. Open a console type in the command line parameters.

It's still too inconvenient and cumbersome. And frankly I don't see much progress.

Is most certainly what is known as a 'statement', as nowhere in there did the OP ask for 'help'. He was making the 'statement' that in his opinion desktop Linux is shit, which is incorrect.

You're not unbiased, you just can't stand Linux enthusiasts separating mistruths from fact using personal experience and you nit pick posts to the point of twisting context completely out of intended proportion.

 

[B00nie]

because linux isn't windows. Linux exposes the kernelspace into /proc and a simple cat /proc/cpuinfo would have told you what CPU & 10seconds on google would have seen that.
and obscure? an obscure console command would be q a gentoo-portage plugin command. Cat is not obscure, /proc is not obscure COREUTILS is not obscure, the FHS is not obscure. These are well documented and are fundemental to *NIX

What is the different from, as you put it, obscure console command to an obscure gui application

what you just said would be the equivalent to stating the registry hives are obscure & yet the FHS has been around since 1993

Anything that requires reading and thinking is obscure for the Fisher&Price generation. They want big plastic buttons and 0-2 years level.

 

[Lunar]

Ok, so this thread has gone completely off the rails, and is just going in circles. I'm closing it.