I have an Ampere card now but I gamed with 4:2:0 120hz for a while and yes it looks totally fine in games, my only real issue was lack of VRR due to my 1080 ti. But no such problem with a 2080 ti, I would 100% not have jumped on Ampere if I had one.
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I get about 1/60 of a second extra lag when enabling 120Hz BFI. (about 4 extra frames with a 240 FPS phone camera compared to with BFI off, using a keyboard LED as reference)
120 Hz BFI is one of the reasons I held out until this year to buy an OLED.
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HDR wouldn't work at 8-bit 4:2:0 120 Hz, which is a deal breaker for most.
Are you running in game mode? I find that any other mode will have slightly higher input lag even with instant game response enabled. Not enough to be a major issues but enough to be noticeable.
I haven't noticed a perceivable difference between BFI on vs off.
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Whats that desk you have behind your desk to support the oled? Is that buyable somewhere?
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It’s two ikea nightstands that we bought but ended up not having a use for. I started using them about a year ago with my 43” Samsung as a temporary solution that ended up being more permanent than I expected. It’s a bit of a janky setup but it works.
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I've not had a ton of time at the panel yet but I did put on a 4k hdr documentary and a few movies (guardians of the galaxy and a few others), a few episodes of mandalorian, etc. to test it out. The first thing I watched was a documentary whose opening scene had some people in native dress in some country playing hot potato with a ball on fire in the dark. It was VERY impressive looking. All of the content was after that too. I tweaked some of the basic settings in a few profiles and set it up to switch profiles by voice in order to switch between movie and game settings easier (I'll have to go over all of my settings on the TV and GPU again to make sure I have everything set up best later). Then I bought jedi: fallen order because I heard the HDR was exceptional on that game and it happens to be on sale. I didn't play too much yet but it looked very good. I'm going to have to turn some settings down from extreme though since it doesn't support sli and so I'm down to a single 1080ti for the moment. I'll keep checking stock for the 3000 series gpu I have my eye on but I wouldn't be suprised if I can't get one until sometime Q1 2021 for hdmi 2.1 VRR 120hz 444 and a lot more graphics power.
My phone and tablet have been OLED for years so I have some experience with small scale oled at least. My new phone is also OLED. I've touted HDR from what I've read about it and what I've seen momentarily on other sets but this is my first real HDR capable TV in my home and it's stunning. Things like shafts of light beaming down from overhead in a darker area in per pixel HDR are nothing like you can get on a regular screen. There are a lot of other examples like sci fi ships, lighting, stars in the sky, laser beams, spell effects, dragon's fire, etc and a lot of other more natural ones. To anyone who has one of these and heard anyone in these threads saying HDR is meaningless you have to know those words were not true now with the truth staring you in the face. I realize hdr gaming is hit or miss but if you can find a decent HDR implementation it is very nice to have there too.
Now I'll have to prioritize buying/supporting titles with worthwhile HDR and good DLSS 2.0 implementations just like I used to lean toward sli supported titles when possible in the past. For example, I chose Jedi: Fallen Order instead of two other action/adventure titles on sale at the moment because it was the only one of the three with quality HDR verified in threads I had read.
My phone and tablet have been OLED for years so I have some experience with small scale oled at least. My new phone is also OLED. I've touted HDR from what I've read about it and what I've seen momentarily on other sets but this is my first real HDR capable TV in my home and it's stunning. Things like shafts of light beaming down from overhead in a darker area in per pixel HDR are nothing like you can get on a regular screen. There are a lot of other examples like sci fi ships, lighting, stars in the sky, laser beams, spell effects, dragon's fire, etc and a lot of other more natural ones. To anyone who has one of these and heard anyone in these threads saying HDR is meaningless you have to know those words were not true now with the truth staring you in the face. I realize hdr gaming is hit or miss but if you can find a decent HDR implementation it is very nice to have there too.
Now I'll have to prioritize buying/supporting titles with worthwhile HDR and good DLSS 2.0 implementations just like I used to lean toward sli supported titles when possible in the past. For example, I chose Jedi: Fallen Order instead of two other action/adventure titles on sale at the moment because it was the only one of the three with quality HDR verified in threads I had read.
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elvn I thought my Q90R was "decent" at HDR content, but the truth is... it flat out sucks at HDR content. It does have FALD, which does great in high bit-rate content such as 4K Blu-ray. On compressed and low bit-rate HDR, though, it just flat out sucks. Lots of light smearing and FALD bloom, along with lagging FALD updates on high contrast scenes.
A lot of people see the CX's limited peak brightness and think "oh, that sucks for HDR". On the contrary... HDR looks, in my opinion, the best on OLED. It has massive punch from the fact that one pixel can be full brightness, and the one next to it is completely dark. You also don't have the lagging FALD of LCD TV's. Most people that say HDR sucks on OLED probably hasn't experienced it. It's amazing.
A lot of people see the CX's limited peak brightness and think "oh, that sucks for HDR". On the contrary... HDR looks, in my opinion, the best on OLED. It has massive punch from the fact that one pixel can be full brightness, and the one next to it is completely dark. You also don't have the lagging FALD of LCD TV's. Most people that say HDR sucks on OLED probably hasn't experienced it. It's amazing.
Not to go off topic, but what is the second pic
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Not to derail, but what's the second game?
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I think another thing is that the HDR experience itself has been refined throughout the years. I bought my first OLED back in 2016 and that was when the first HDR games were starting to roll out on PS4 Pro. The experience back then was definitely more of a "miss" rather than "hit" with many games either looking no better or possibly even WORST when played in HDR. Also, anyone remember just how bad HDR on Windows 10 used to be? Fast forward to today and now game developers have gotten better at implementing HDR into their games and Windows itself is so much better at handling HDR as well. Combine that with the improved HDR performance on the CX vs older OLEDs and now I can confidently say that HDR is an absolute must for me, whereas before due to bad early impressions I was totally fine on skipping out on it.
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Shadow of the Tomb Raider, I picked it up during the Steam autumn sale.
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Some people just look at the specs without understanding the limitations of the technology. On paper you might think an LCD is better for HDR, but in reality it's only better in rare edge cases.
When they measure contrast, color volume, and pretty much any picture quality specification they use a static image.
But when you watch a movie or play a game there is a lot of motion. Because LCDs take so long to transition you aren't getting full color volume or color accuracy while that pixel is transitioning. Not even close.
You may think, oh but my LCD has a 1ms response time, it's only bad for a split second. Well that's also a misleading specification, because when they measure LCD response times they only count the time it takes to do 90% of the transition. The last 10% of the transition can take 10s of milliseconds and typically doesn't even completely finish the same frame.
An OLED has near instantaneous 100% complete transitions and you get 100% of the specified color volume, color accuracy, and contrast 100% of the time no matter how fast the motion is.
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Hi guys,
I am considering getting a 4k LG OLED for 70% productivity, 15% gaming, 15% movies/series, and my desk is 90cm deep.
The productivity part is mainly office/admin related.
* How sharp is the text? Is it comparable to let's say Dell Ultrasharp Office monitors?
* How calm is the picture?
* I am running a ASUS ROG Strixx 2060 O6G, will I have to get a HDMI 2.1 capable card?
* Will the cheaper LG 48CX3LB be equal to the LG 48CX9LB in desktop/productivity?
LG 48CX9LB ~1550 Euro
LG 48CX3LB ~1350 Euro
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I am considering getting a 4k LG OLED for 70% productivity, 15% gaming, 15% movies/series, and my desk is 90cm deep.
The productivity part is mainly office/admin related.
* How sharp is the text? Is it comparable to let's say Dell Ultrasharp Office monitors?
* How calm is the picture?
* I am running a ASUS ROG Strixx 2060 O6G, will I have to get a HDMI 2.1 capable card?
* Will the cheaper LG 48CX3LB be equal to the LG 48CX9LB in desktop/productivity?
LG 48CX9LB ~1550 Euro
LG 48CX3LB ~1350 Euro
ThanksMarco
As I understand it the 9LB has dual DVB tuner, which the 6LB and 3LB doesn't have. I cant find good english information on the 3LB... But when using it as a monitor it wont matter.
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1. Plenty sharp to me, but this is all subjective.
2. Not sure what this means...
3. If you're cool with 60hz for the productivity work you're fine.
4. No idea about the differences.
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I didn't like the giant top layer volume overlay windows uses on the master volume. I found this little tray (or no tray) app to hide that top layer volume window.
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Use at your own risk as always. Seems to be working fine for me though I haven't rebooted yet so I can't comment on it auto starting.
Btw Jedi: fallen order looks amazing once I got some time to actually play it and enabled HDR in the game menus.
A friend is telling me AC - odyssey has great HDR on his LG CX. I've also heard HDR works in sekiro though I don't know anyone with a CX who owns it. (It works but you used to have to alt-tab out and back in apparently.. idk if that has been patched). If anyone knows about sekiro's HDR please lmk b/c I'm considering buying it if/when it goes on sale again for xmas sales. I was playing shadow of war with settings cranked last month and I think even that game has HDR even though it came out in 2017. A lot of games within the last 5 years look great with graphics cranked up.
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Use at your own risk as always. Seems to be working fine for me though I haven't rebooted yet so I can't comment on it auto starting.
Btw Jedi: fallen order looks amazing once I got some time to actually play it and enabled HDR in the game menus.
A friend is telling me AC - odyssey has great HDR on his LG CX. I've also heard HDR works in sekiro though I don't know anyone with a CX who owns it. (It works but you used to have to alt-tab out and back in apparently.. idk if that has been patched). If anyone knows about sekiro's HDR please lmk b/c I'm considering buying it if/when it goes on sale again for xmas sales. I was playing shadow of war with settings cranked last month and I think even that game has HDR even though it came out in 2017. A lot of games within the last 5 years look great with graphics cranked up.
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Playing through SOTR now... almost done with it. Holy cow what a pretty game on the CX in HDR.
I KNOW that for HDR the OLED light level should be set to 100, BUT because I use my CX48 for desktop use I tuned it to an acceptable point at OLED light 75 for HDR content. This is simply to provide some protection against burn in if I forget and leave HDR on or leave a HDR game with a static HUD up for too long.
In the dim room I use the CX48 in, the HDR experience is still VASTLY SUPERIOR to any other HDR experience I've seen on any other screen up to now. It's still remarkable.
Sure, in a bright room, superbright items on screen like lasers and fire won't be amazing, but as we already know, you should not be using an OLED in a bright room for desktop use at all, and in general not if you can help it.
If you must run the screen in torch mode in a bright environment, an OLED isn't your best choice anyway. Used properly, it is unbeatable.
This. The "quality" of the HDR because it can illuminate the brighter pixels individually is absolutely incredible especially when you consider that the black starting point is "perfect black." You simply don't need as much overall differential in brightness to be an incredible experience.
I KNOW that for HDR the OLED light level should be set to 100, BUT because I use my CX48 for desktop use I tuned it to an acceptable point at OLED light 75 for HDR content. This is simply to provide some protection against burn in if I forget and leave HDR on or leave a HDR game with a static HUD up for too long.
In the dim room I use the CX48 in, the HDR experience is still VASTLY SUPERIOR to any other HDR experience I've seen on any other screen up to now. It's still remarkable.
Sure, in a bright room, superbright items on screen like lasers and fire won't be amazing, but as we already know, you should not be using an OLED in a bright room for desktop use at all, and in general not if you can help it.
If you must run the screen in torch mode in a bright environment, an OLED isn't your best choice anyway. Used properly, it is unbeatable.
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Leave OLED light at 100, set the HDR/SDR brightness balance slider in Windows to 7%. SDR content will be the brightness of OLED light ~30.
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I intuitively turned the windows hdr balance slider down at some point when setting everything up, until it looked good on regular desktop stuff. Not sure how far / what percent.
I don't mind leaving my HDR at full in regard to burn in concerns though b/c I use a full black desktop wallpaper and no taskbar or icons. The only things I'm running on the OLED are movies /videos and games as a media stage. I have a 43" 4k 60hz VA (~ 6100:1) on each side for everything else. There is a 43" samsung 8 series VA on sale from some vendor referenced on slickdeals at the moment if anyone is looking. At least it was last time I checked.
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Youtuber HDTVTest said that HDR is suppose to be viewed in a pitch black room anyways, or at most a very very small amount of ambient light. Anyone who is viewing HDR in a super bright room is already doing it wrong
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No, I'm not talking about the Windows HDR balance slider. I have that set properly. There are other ways you can royally screw up:
I'm talking about leaving an HDR image, from an HDR source, up on the screen. I don't want to accidentally pause an HDR movie, or leave a hud up on an HDR game for a long period of time, and have there by any possibility that the pixels are static at 100.
You pick what you are comfortable with. I'm using this screen for nearly all kinds of use and I don't want to have to be THAT careful, so I have accepted limited the max pixel brightness. For this kind of situation, it should be exponential, so even a small restriction of the maximum should provide quite a lot of safety margin for keeping the screen in good shape for 5+ years of heavy desktop use, which is my goal.
I'm talking about leaving an HDR image, from an HDR source, up on the screen. I don't want to accidentally pause an HDR movie, or leave a hud up on an HDR game for a long period of time, and have there by any possibility that the pixels are static at 100.
You pick what you are comfortable with. I'm using this screen for nearly all kinds of use and I don't want to have to be THAT careful, so I have accepted limited the max pixel brightness. For this kind of situation, it should be exponential, so even a small restriction of the maximum should provide quite a lot of safety margin for keeping the screen in good shape for 5+ years of heavy desktop use, which is my goal.
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You're fine because the TV has ASBL which will automatically dim the screen if you leave a static logo on for a set period of time, unless that function is disabled when the TV is in HDR mode or something. Even the PS5 has an auto dimming feature that you can set; was playing Demon's Souls last night then walked away from the TV to eat and came back to find the entire screen had been dimmed down a good amount.
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Yeah assume the TV is made for the average max brightness Joe to walk into max brightness Best Buy, get sold the TV, and replicate max brightness Best Buy at home with no clue. LG wouldn't be selling the TV if this behavior ACTUALLY generally messed it up quickly because there are a lot of max brightness Joes out there that would leave bad reviews and poison the technology. There's enough max brightness Joe protection built in that an informed [H] user will be 10000000% fine.
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Is Instant Game Response supposed to display every time you turn on your computer? Because mine does.
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Yeah, any time it gets a VRR signal it will display that, and the HDR banner any time it gets an HDR signal.
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Apologize for my nitpicking AFAIK the HUD usually isn't taking advantage of the potential brightness of HDR. At least I haven't heard of it before. Static images on the screen in general aren't given peak highlights. If anything, depending on how the HDR is utilized, the HUD elements could potentially be dimmer than if you had HDR off. Leaving the brightness at 100 would enable you to take better advantage of your TV's potential PQ as well as serve as a reminder that the HDR is on (so there's virtually no way you could forget that HDR is on unless you're using sunglasses or something weird). If you set the brightness to something only slightly higher than SDR, you're far more likely to forget you left HDR on. Or at least that would be true for me in this case.
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^ G-SYNC works - in the Pendulum demo I'm able to select G-SYNC and the display indicator shows on the left hand side of the screen
^ G-SYNC does not work - in the Pendulum demo I cannot select G-SYNC and the display indicator does not show
I'm using a 2080 Ti. Any idea what the issue is? Apologies if this has already been covered, i'm still working my way through this thread.
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Reports from owners of early b series lg old tvs have said the best buy extended warranty covers burn in , which was surprising to me. Their 5 yr isn't cheap but I feel better looking at it like $66/yr burn in (and any other problem) insurance over 5 years
I found a thread with a cfg edit for Jedi fallen order that us supposed to remove the green life bar from the hud and Im going to try that out though.
I found a thread with a cfg edit for Jedi fallen order that us supposed to remove the green life bar from the hud and Im going to try that out though.
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When I looked at it the Best Buy warranty explicitly covers burn in, not just omits it from the list of things it doesn't cover. Language could have changed since. Every other extended warranty I looked at explicitly does not cover it.
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You guys weren’t kidding about HDR. Tonight I tried out:
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider
- The Division 2
- Horizon Zero Dawn
- COD:BO Cold War
- Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla
- Assassin’s Creed: Origins
Now this is my first exposure to HDR of any kind, but wow. This is the feature I cared the least about and ended up being the one I think I’m most impressed with.
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider
- The Division 2
- Horizon Zero Dawn
- COD:BO Cold War
- Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla
- Assassin’s Creed: Origins
Now this is my first exposure to HDR of any kind, but wow. This is the feature I cared the least about and ended up being the one I think I’m most impressed with.
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I totally agree. My wife played Horizon Zero Dawn for the first time on the TV and was blown away with how good HDR looks on the CX 65....Really think this is the future of gaming.
Also, the PS5 does a great job of HDR use as well....
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The G-SYNC demo is broken at 4:2:0. G-SYNC should still work in games. Make sure you've selected Fullscreen Exclusive mode if G-SYNC is not enabled for windowed applications.
You can leave HDR on on the desktop as long as you use the SDR slider in Windows settings to turn the SDR content brightness back down to reasonable levels. Settings under 10% work well. My display measured 120 nits at 7% setting using a colorimeter. Turning down OLED light means you are just clipping the highlights on the display.
That happened to my B6 twice over a four year period; not sure what was going on, but shutting down the TV made the issue go away. I'm really not sure what was going on to be perfectly honest, though I strongly suspect it's the TV/Connection and not the PC.
Out of curiosity, where is the setting to enable G-SYNC for Windowed applications?
Same place as where you enable g-sync altogether. It's all on one page. I don't recommend it right now, it appears broken for apps that don't use dx12 or Vulkan (aka apps that bypass DWM easily).