Leaked AMD Ryzen Benchmarks?

[razor1]

You aren't writing complete sentences or using the correct words in many places on your long ass rambling paragraphs. I honestly can't pin down what you're trying to say, like here:

This goes back to your comment on why older AMD CPU products can go 220 watts or more on older nodes well because they were made to, you can still increase power draw if you stabilize the temperature of the chip and because of this don't need to increase voltage, better cooling is what is needed (doesn't work all the time because there are limits there too), Ryzen most likely will not be capable of that because it wasn't made to go that high because of node (which is well demonstrated with Pascal and Polaris on 14nm nodes) and its architecture, if it requires AIO to have base clocks of 4.0 ghz.

This is exactly where you said this node and architecture won't be able to sustain high power draws north of 95watts without exotic cooling (at an implied 1.35v since that's where you st).

You aren't even reading what I'm stating correctly, and I highly suspect English as a second language is a barrier here. Or wherever you are on the other side of the international date line failed to teach you effective writing skills.

You are implying I stated that that is not what I stated, I didn't imply that at all, read it as it is posted

I stated, what in red?

you can still increase power draw if you stabilize the temperature of the chip and because of this don't need to increase voltage.

What does that mean?

voltage needs to be increased past 1.35? nope, I said no need to increase voltage, because if temp drops you have amps that you can up. I just didn't state amps.

So you thought I implied voltage needs to increase where in black and white now in red and conjunction with the blue statement shows I am not implying that at all, I stated the opposite of that, which you quoted my on, I stated no need to increase voltage because temperature will be dropping because of the AIO and because of the temps drop, power drops and it gives more head room for frequency by increasing amps.

There is no other reason for AIO solutions rumors for Ryzen they are there for one thing to maintain a certain amount temperature of the chip, and that has a direct relationship with making sure power draw is limited to a certain range.

Anytime any company has introduced "awesome" new coolers or AIO's or double slot cooling, have you seen those solutions not being needs?

Lets see FX series by nV, wraith cooler by AMD, AIO on FIji. Do you remember the P4 coolers, and how beefy they were on the extreme processors?

If you think that statement is incorrect, I can show you Intel chips and power draw and what temperature does to power draw, or can you find that information yourself?

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

You are implying I stated that that is not what I stated, I didn't imply that at all, read it as it is posted

I stated, what in red?

you can still increase power draw if you stabilize the temperature of the chip and because of this don't need to increase voltage.

What does that mean?

voltage needs to be increased past 1.35? nope, I said no need to increase voltage, because if temp drops you have amps that you can up. I just didn't state amps.

So you thought I implied voltage needs to increase where in black and white now in red and injunction with the blue statement shows I am not implying that at all, I stated the opposite of that, which you quoted my on, I stated no need to increase voltage because temperature will be dropping because of the AIO and because of that temps drop, power drops and it gives more head room for frequency by increasing amps.

There is no other reason for AIO solutions rumors for Ryzen.

Ah I see, you're still stating that only by using an AIO will you go north of 4.0ghz with Ryzen.

I'll look forward to proving you wrong.

 

[razor1]

Ah I see, you're still stating that only by using an AIO will you go north of 4.0ghz with Ryzen.

I'll look forward to proving you wrong.

Hey I'm going based on what leakers have stated, from multiple sources, if I'm wrong, I'm ok with that, that means others have gotten some bad info.

Just don't sit here and try to imply anything from my posts, read them as they are

Simple enough for ya?

Apparently leakers of that information you seem not to like have taken your first born too, then I can see why you are getting your panties in a bunch about it when I mention it.

Don't sit here and make shit up about things I have never posted ok?

Simple enough for ya?

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Hey I'm going based on what leakers have stated, from multiple sources, if I'm wrong, I'm ok with that, that means others have gotten some bad info.

Just don't sit here and try to imply anything from my posts, read them as they are

Simple enough for ya?

Apparently leakers of that information you seem not to like have taken your first born too, then I can see why you are getting your panties in a bunch about it when I mention it.

Don't sit here and make shit up about things I have never posted ok?

Simple enough for ya?

I know you can't stand being questioned or hedging that you might be wrong.

Buildzoid weeks ago apparently had word from a source that you could get 4.4+ghz on air after people were questioning CanardPC's coded message regarding "5ghz zen on air" or however they phased it in binary. (which turned out to mean single core active OC on an ES)

I've seen other impressions indirectly showing positive surprise at early Ryzen OC attempts.

The video you posted earlier multiple times as if it were some revelation was two guys shooting the shit about Ryzen, neither of whom had a sample.

Are your rumors better than my rumors? Please, talk down to me some more.

 

[razor1]

I know you can't stand being questioned or hedging that you might be wrong.

Buildzoid weeks ago apparently had word from a source that you could get 4.4+ghz on air after people were questioning CanardPC's coded message regarding "5ghz zen on air" or however they phased it in binary. (which turned out to mean single core active OC on an ES)

I've seen other impressions indirectly showing positive surprise at early Ryzen OC attempts.

The video you posted earlier multiple times as if it were some revelation was two guys shooting the shit about Ryzen, neither of whom had a sample.

Are your rumors better than my rumors? Please, talk down to me some more.

I don't care if I'm wrong

The binary code with Carand PC was months ago and they didn't know at that time they were guessing, if you understood what the emoji they used in that binary code statement you would know that, not sure about buildzoid's leak, can you link that?

I'm talking down to you because you are a liar. I don't like people that make shit up and pass it of as it was implied. That is a person that has no convictions or remorse about what they say or do because its someone elses problems.



this is what you are talking about, they don't say its on air lol.

See you are assuming they mean air, but no one says 4.2 to 4.4 on air in those statements, they say it can overclock to 4.2 to 4.4 on all cores, but no specifics on what kind of cooler.

Again you are implying they mean air, but that is again implied by you or others not stated by the actually poster or the guy in the video.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

I don't care if I'm wrong

The binary code with Carand PC was months ago and they didn't know at that time they were guessing, if you understood what the emoji they used in that binary code statement you would know that, not sure about buildzoid's leak, can you link that?

I'm talking down to you because you are a liar. I don't like people that make shit up and pass it of as it was implied. That is a person that has no convictions or remorse about what they say or do because its someone elses problems.

This coming from the guy who thought the entire i7 chip with iGPU was 49mm^2 not a few days ago. Which seriously makes me wonder if you know as much about the silicon as you say you do.

You ramble on for a page, interspersed with insults and ad hominems, then misuse words, poorly frame sentences, add in extra details after the fact, re-edit posts to add 4 paragraphs, then wonder why a person doesn't care to read the randomly sprinkled semi-truths of yours to string together to someone greater point?

Sorry to everyone else on the sidelines to this, I apologize for my stubbornness.

But Razor, you really know how to get under a man's skin.

 

[razor1]

This coming from the guy who thought the entire i7 chip with iGPU was 49mm^2 not a few days ago. Which seriously makes me wonder if you know as much about the silicon as you say you do.

You ramble on for a page, interspersed with insults and ad hominems, then misuse words, poorly frame sentences, add in extra details after the fact, re-edit posts to add 4 paragraphs, then wonder why a person doesn't care to read the randomly sprinkled semi-truths of yours to string together to someone greater point?

Sorry to everyone else on the sidelines to this, I apologize for my stubbornness.

But Razor, you really know how to get under a man's skin.

Oh so when you pointed it out, I was incorrect, that wasn't good for you, I missread something ok? And I owned up to it.

I didn't make something up based on what you stated or did I say you implied something that wasn't there was it?

Can't see the difference in those circumstances?

Do you want me to pull up physiological studies about people that pull out the implied card so they do something?

So you are now implying something someone stated about 4.2-4.4 ghz, which might come out right, or it might not because they don't mention if its on air or water, but you think its on air.

How do you take that seriously, then you have others saying to get to 4.0 base and up you need water, they are very direct about it.

I don't know you implied from what someone stated, I am taking the guys that say what it is.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Oh so when you pointed it out, I was incorrect, that wasn't good for you, I missread something ok? And I owned up to it.

I didn't make something up based on what you stated or did I say you implied something that wasn't there was it?

Can't see the difference in those circumstances?

Do you want me to pull up physiological studies about people that pull out the implied card so they do something?

Not really going to let that one go Mr. Nitpick... How anyone who has any idea of modern silicon could make such a mistake indicates that you really don't know much about the silicon, as die sizes come up constantly.

That's like mistaking the square footage of a doghouse for that of a family home.

 

[razor1]

Not really going to let that one go Mr. Nitpick... How anyone who has any idea of modern silicon could make such a mistake indicates that you really don't know much about the silicon, as die sizes come up constantly.

That's like mistaking the square footage of a doghouse for that of a family home.

And you don't know shit about thermodynamics and chips, so there you have it. If I need to sit here and explain to you why that is, you are not being stubborn, you are being, something much worse, then you try in imply something I never stated (which means you didn't understand what I stated even though it was point blank, here it is type deal), those two things, are part of a certain behavior pattern that is among certain types of people, I suggest you look that up what you are, this probably isn't the first time someone called you that either. If it is, then you tend to keep your conversations shallow, which is another indication of what that problem is. Going by the past few posts you did, you are harping on one statement without giving anything to disprove it (because it can't be disproved at least not theoretically, in theory its real) that shows shallowness lol.

Actually you have never made a post that points to anything concrete based on scientific facts or anything that has to do with actually data, which makes all your posts worthless and shallow,

Even your talks about i-5's you know what, Intel doesn't sell those specific i-5's at higher costs, the ones you stated, I suggest you ask you IT department, what their kick backs are after purchasing a certain amount of PC's. And types of pc's.

The more you make things about me, the more I will know about you, people that like to talk about others, and keep things shallow and do actions based on their implied views of others, then you apologize and then keep going that is another point of this particular type of person (and that is not stubbornness) are categorized by psychologists, and not in a good way.

Now do you see when I am implying something and when I am not? if you didn't see that in the past three posts, well that is another cornerstone of this type of person, they can't see implications that are focused on them, because their brain won't allow them to see it.

 

[Riptide_NVN]

If I need to sit here and explain to you why that is, you are not being stubborn, you are being, something much worse, then you try in imply something I never stated (which means you didn't understand what I stated even though it was point blank, here it is type deal), those two things, are part of a certain behavior pattern that is among certain types of people, I suggest you look that up what you are, this probably isn't the first time someone called you that either.

Golf clap for longest run on sentence I've read in the last three and a half weeks.

 

[sterinn]

Goodness!! I can't be the only one that's lurking 3 or 4 threads in this AMD forum that is tired of the back and forth over who's more right in regards to the minutiae...

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

And you don't know shit about thermodynamics and chips, so there you have it. If I need to sit here and explain to you why that is, you are not being stubborn, you are being, something much worse, then you try in imply something I never stated (which means you didn't understand what I stated even though it was point blank, here it is type deal), those two things, are part of a certain behavior pattern that is among certain types of people, I suggest you look that up what you are, this probably isn't the first time someone called you that either. If it is, then you tend to keep your conversations shallow, which is another indication of what that problem is. Going by the past few posts you did, you are harping on one statement without giving anything to disprove it (because it can't be disproved at least not theoretically, in theory its real) that shows shallowness lol.

Actually you have never made a post that points to anything concrete based on scientific facts or anything that has to do with actually data, which makes all your posts worthless and shallow,

Even your talks about i-5's you know what, Intel doesn't sell those specific i-5's at higher costs, the ones you stated, I suggest you ask you IT department, what their kick backs are after purchasing a certain amount of PC's. And types of pc's.

The more you make things about me, the more I will know about you, people that like to talk about others, and keep things shallow and do actions based on their implied views of others, then you apologize and then keep going that is another point of this particular type of person (and that is not stubbornness) are categorized by psychologists, and not in a good way.

Yes, please science me Mr. Wizard.

You're switching to "I am all knowing, and you know nothing" but that doesn't change the fact that you literally had no idea that an i7 die is 2.5x times larger than the number you snagged onto, then extrapolated 40% of an iGPU out of to show Intel profits. How anyone with an education and an understanding of modern x86 processors could make that mistake is far too glaring to ignore. Especially when you throw buzzwords at the beginning of sentences then you, yourself, fail to provide specifics.

I uhhh, am in IT? Until very recently I dealt with purchase decisions constantly, with purchases approaching a thousand units at a time.

Show me a purchase agreement with this kind of kick-back written into it. I see small margin changes, but nothing large even at 500+ PCs in one order.

"i-5's" lol

Oh yes, and the buildzoid comment can be found here: Where he follows up a question with some coy responses.

 

[Spirit_Retro]

Goodness!! I can't be the only one that's lurking 3 or 4 threads in this AMD forum that is tired of the back and forth over who's more right in regards to the minutiae...

No kidding.

I've got the flu, and I'm in the middle of migrating a massive web server. Not in a good mood.

 

[pendragon1]

has anyone pointed out that these cpu-z shots are from version 1.78.1 and ryzen isnt supported until 1.78.3?

 

[razor1]

Yes, please science me Mr. Wizard.

You're switching to "I am all knowing, and you know nothing" but that doesn't change the fact that you literally had no idea that an i7 die is 2.5x times larger than the number you snagged onto, then extrapolated 40% of an iGPU out of to show Intel profits. How anyone with an education and an understanding of modern x86 processors could make that mistake is far too glaring to ignore. Especially when you throw buzzwords at the beginning of sentences then you, yourself, fail to provide specifics.

I uhhh, am in IT? Until very recently I dealt with purchase decisions constantly, with purchases approaching a thousand units at a time.

Show me a purchase agreement with this kind of kick-back written into it. I see small margin changes, but nothing large even at 500+ PCs in one order.

"i-5's" lol

Oh yes, and the buildzoid comment can be found here: Where he follows up a question with some coy responses.

LOL I read the article wrong, I stated it such.

On already linked to Buildzoids stuff, please look back, there was no mention of air cooling. So you have implied something that isn't there either! nor does it imply base clocks above 4.0 ghz, and that is something I stated from the start, BASE CLOCKS.

So not only are you implying things incorrectly you are taking things out of context that is another hallmark of this type of person. Shit you have 5 of the 7 traits man.

All articles on the topic have stated thus far, with what ever cooler AMD X chips come with will require more cooling to reach higher base clocks, so there ya have it, 3.6 with 4.0 boost what ever air cooler it comes with. More than that 3.6 base clock need something more than the air cooler that it comes with. Water above 4.0 base clock.

You want me to link it......

here ya go
https://www.techpowerup.com/230609/amd-ryzen-xfr-frequencies-revealed

The R7-1800X features clock speeds of 3.60 GHz, with TurboCore frequencies of 4.00 GHz and XFR ranging beyond 4.00 GHz. That of the R7-1700X is set beyond 3.80 GHz, and the R7-1600X beyond 3.70 GHz, R5-1400X beyond 3.90 GHz, and the R3-1200X beyond 3.80 GHz. There are no fixed values as to how much higher these frequencies will go, probably because AMD doesn't want to advertise clock speed figures consumers hold it to account for. The TurboCore frequencies, on the other hand, are achievable on even the included stock cooling solutions, or coolers that meet the TDP ratings of these chips.

Now these are larger websites saying something similar, base clocks if ya want more than 4 ghz, seems likely ya need water cooling.

If you increase the base clocks above 4 ghz, its going to boost up to 4.4 ghz + XFR, and now the 95 + makes sense

AMD's chips will stick to their TDP maximums unless you have better cooling. So the rumor with the X chips are they come with wraith coolers, those are stuck at the 95 watt max base clocks at 3.6 with the wraith.

How much more cooling can top end air coolers give, the best I've seen is 15% better on core temps, yeah they will be maxing at around 4 ghz for base clocks

 

[Schmave]

You guys bicker like a bunch of old ninnies, FFS.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

has anyone pointed out that these cpu-z shots are from version 1.78.1 and ryzen isnt supported until 1.78.3?

This is a good point.

Do we have previous experience with this? As I am wondering if there would just be issues reading voltage/clock/turbo clock or if couldn't actually read any info at all.

LOL I read the article wrong, I stated it such.

On already linked to Buildzoids stuff, please look back, there was no mention of air cooling. So you have implied something that isn't there either!


All articles on the topic have stated thus far, with what ever cooler AMD X chips come with will require more cooling to reach higher base clocks, so there ya have it, 3.6 with 4.0 boost what ever air cooler it comes with. More than that 3.6 base clock need something more than the air cooler that it comes with. Water above 4.0 base clock.

You want me to link it



here ya go
https://www.techpowerup.com/230609/amd-ryzen-xfr-frequencies-revealed

The TurboCore frequencies, on the other hand, are achievable on even the included stock cooling solutions, or coolers that meet the TDP ratings of these chips.

Now these are larger websites saying something similar, base clocks if ya want more than 4 ghz, seems likely ya need water cooling.

So yeah, you misread this article as well.

It doesn't say anything about "AIO" or "not air" it only states "good cooling". I have an air cooler that can handle twice as much TDP dissipation as the stock boost is rated for... your response?

And also, the limitation if you followed up with more careful reading was due to a poor VRM setup on a pre-production motherboard, not the chip itself having heat issues. (EDIT: referring to Buildzoid and CanardPC link)

 

[razor1]

This is a good point.

Do we have previous experience with this? As I am wondering if there would just be issues reading voltage/clock/turbo clock or if couldn't actually read any info at all.




So yeah, you misread this article as well.

It doesn't say anything about "AIO" or "not air" it only states "good cooling". I have an air cooler that can handle twice as much TDP dissipation as the stock boost is rated for... your response?

And also, the limitation if you followed up with more careful reading was due to a poor VRM setup on a pre-production motherboard, not the chip itself having heat issues. (EDIT: referring to Buildzoid and CanardPC link)

The stock coolilng of the X chips are the wraith coolers man.....

So if you are saying those aren't what they are talking about, then either the wraith cooler isn't the cooler that is coming with those chips or you are implying something that isn't there again.

Are you saying the wraith coolers aren't good cooling?

What are trying to imply, since that is all you seem you like to do.

Did tech power up get it wrong too?

That is a total of 6 people now, saying something similar.

Where did buildzoid say anything about base clocks of 4.2 to 4.4 btw? HE DIDN'T did he, another thing you just implied that wasn't stated.

 

[os2wiz]

What about the single threaded performance?

The leak came from a system builder, Boost Boxx, they used a motherboard without boosting capabilities.

As far as synthetics go, Physics is important as its testing game like physics simulations so that should also factor in single thread performance quite a bit.

Integer math is multi threaded dependent, and that should be good for Ryzen.

Prime numbers the amount of data needed, shuffling between the memory and cpu is going to be an issue with the memory type used, not sure if its the memory or motherboard (cause we don't know what are the requirements of Ryzen when it comes to memory) or just something not so good with Ryzen when it comes to memory, AMD in the past has had these issues with memory too.

Yes the IMC was not very good in Bulldozer. It is improved in Ryzen, but it still may need more work. I did notice the Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero allows for DDR4 3200 and 32 GB in 2 16 Gb modules of G.Skill with tight timings is sitting on top of my new case waiting for motherboard and cpu. But the fact that motherboard will accept it doesn't tell you it will make any difference with Ryzen IMC. IF 2400MHZ is the practifal limit of the Ryzen IMC I will downclock it and tighten the timings quite a bit on already tight timing in the modules. Cas latency on my modules is 14, so I may wind up going down to 12 if after testing I get little improvement in performance at 3200.

 

[razor1]

Yes the IMC was not very good in Bulldozer. It is improved in Ryzen, but it still may need more work. I did notice the Sus ROG Hero allows for DDR4 3200 and 32 GB in 2 16 Gb modules of G.Skill with tight timings is sitting on top of my new case waiting for motherboard and cpu. But the fact that motherboard will accept it doesn't tell you it will make any difference with Ryzen IMC. IF 2400MHZ is the practifal limit of the Ryzen IMC I will downclock it and tighten the timings quite a bit on already tight timing in the modules. Cas latency on my modules is 14, so I may wind up going down to 12 if after testing I get little improvement in performance at 3200.

It could just be the bug they had in previous spins and the microcode needs to be updated though, so just have to wait and see.

I know there has been quite a bit changes to their IMC, but things like that its hard for companies to just roll out a product with that problem.

 

[os2wiz]

The stock coolilng of the X chips are the wraith coolers man.....

So if you are saying those aren't what they are talking about, then either the wraith cooler isn't the cooler that is coming with those chips or you are implying something that isn't there again.

Are you saying the wraith coolers aren't good cooling?

What are trying to imply, since that is all you seem you like to do.

Did tech power up get it wrong too?

That is a total of 6 people now, saying something similar.

Yes they are not good enough for overclocking. You need a high end Noctua, Thermalright Silver Arrow, or a CoolerMaster Air Maker 8 to do some real overclocking. Perhaps the wraith may permit 100mhz uptick.

 

[cageymaru]

 

[variant]

- IPC is at the least Ivy Bridge-E and higher
- SMT for Ryzen is more efficient then Intel's HyperThreading
- Ryzen has no cold Bug
- Cinebench R15 hits 145 single thread @ 3.4GHz on ES, earlier models hit 130-140, retails should hit 140-150
- Most Ryzen ES samples hit 4.3-4.5GHz MAX on Air with all core enabled
- Intel is testing out Skylake-X, and beats out current 6950X with 8C/16T because it can hit higher clocks.

Source.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

The stock coolilng of the X chips are the wraith coolers man.....

So if you are saying those aren't what they are talking about, then either the wraith cooler isn't the cooler that is coming with those chips or you are implying something that isn't there again.

Are you saying the wraith coolers aren't good cooling?

What are trying to imply, since that is all you seem you like to do.

Did tech power up get it wrong too?

That is a total of 6 people now, saying something similar.

Where did buildzoid say anything about base clocks of 4.2 to 4.4 btw? HE DIDN'T did he, another thing you just implied that wasn't stated.

1) The 1800X, 1700X, etc retail listings we've seen have had "WOF" at the end. Something that traditionally means WithOut Fan as per:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113347

2) Wraith coolers are still rated for less than the Noctua I'm going to be using.

3) TechPowerUp probably got it wrong?

4) Buildzoid can't outright state anything, it's called a coy word game to skirt the NDA. If you can follow the thread you can see what I mean... if.

Also this was you, earlier this week:

Water cooling its supposed to hit 4ghz (4.2) :/

Looks to me best air cooling (and that is going to be probably a very good air cooling solution) is going to get to around 3.8 on average.

Moving goal posts, first it was 3.8ghz on air max? LOL

 

[razor1]

Yes they are not good enough for overclocking. You need a high end Noctua, Thermalright Silver Arrow, or a CoolerMaster Air Maker 8 to do some real overclocking. Perhaps the wraith may permit 100mhz uptick.

Well the wraith will be the base cooler for the X chips those are the ones that have a max boost of 4.0 ghz. So lets say you want to have a base of 4.0ghz, you need a cooler that can do 15%, maybe more cause more TDP, that is what the article is saying. Yeah if you turn the fan speed up you will get a bit more, but as you stated not much more.

Most of those coolers max out at 150 TDP don't they?

 

[razor1]

Source.

cool so again boost and XFR clocks at 4.4 to 4.5 that is 4.0 to 4.1 base clocks!

 

[razor1]

1) The 1800X, 1700X, etc retail listings we've seen have had "WOF" at the end. Something that traditionally means WithOut Fan as per:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113347

2) Wraith coolers are still rated for less than the Noctua I'm going to be using.

3) TechPowerUp probably got it wrong?

4) Buildzoid can't outright state anything, it's called a coy word game to skirt the NDA. If you can follow the thread you can see what I mean... if.

Also this was you, earlier this week:


Moving goal posts, first it was 3.8ghz on air max? LOL

Do you know what ON AVERAGE MEANS?

If he is under NDA he should say anything at all

Even inferring something is against NDA!

And hey that was me being a messager, I even linked the video, and with a time stamp too.

So if you are implying that I made something up, you are implying something incorrect again.

So read it as it is!

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Do you know what ON AVERAGE MEANS?

And what large, statistically significant body of data do you have to support a claim of "average"?

Average base, boost, or XFR? Which chip? Lack of specificity doesn't help your arguments that I'm misinterpreting when you leave gaps the size of a barn door in your clarity.

 

[razor1]

And what large, statistically significant body of data do you have to support a claim of "average"?

Average base, boost, or XFR? Which chip? Lack of specificity doesn't help your arguments that I'm misinterpreting when you leave gaps the size of a barn door in your clarity.

That is what the freaking video stated lol.

What do you mean to do, make numbers up that weren't stated by the video?

Oh I guess you like to do that about other people, but I don't.

Here please view the video I got the info from lol



Again!

4.0-4.3 on AIO

Anything less that that air cooling!

You are literally anally retentive, on this aren't ya? That is the 6th trait of the type of person........

Shit you are that type of person.....

Are you too afraid to look up those characteristics you have?

You know what you should do take you Magic Eight Ball, ask the question if you are that type of person and start shaking If it comes up with anything other than NO, well even that will tell ya lol.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

That is what the freaking video stated lol.

What do you mean to do, make numbers up that weren't stated by the video?

Oh I guess you like to do that about other people, but I don't.

An hour long video with Joker is nigh unbearable for me to watch. And nothing they stated was first hand.

Well the wraith will be the base cooler for the X chips those are the ones that have a max boost of 4.0 ghz. So lets say you want to have a base of 4.0ghz, you need a cooler that can do 15%, maybe more cause more TDP, that is what the article is saying. Yeah if you turn the fan speed up you will get a bit more, but as you stated not much more.

Most of those coolers max out at 150 TDP don't they?

Incorrect, you're making up numbers! You said you never do that!

Per the Noctua TDP guide for various existing platforms, the cooler I have is rated up to 220W on AM3+ because of the 9590 it can be used with. In fact, even some of their midsized coolers can handle that much! That's a 131.5% higher TDP rating than the 1800X! And 95 watts higher than the current Wraith cooler is rated for!

 

[Ieldra]

I've not watched any of these videos but I'm by genuinely curious as to how contrived and obfuscated the 'leak' or implication must have been to cause such lengthy debate about what was said.

I'm also amused that we're now using reaction photos as performance leaks Rofl

As for the thermodynamics of cpu cooling, coolers are rated for power dissipation based on a pretendermined temperature delta.

A 140mm radiator may be good for 500w with 30c delta but only 60w with a 3c delta

The higher the temperature is, the higher the power draw is all things being equal.

Conversely, power draw is reduced if temperature is reduced, all things being equal

 

[razor1]

An hour long video with Joker is nigh unbearable for me to watch. And nothing they stated was first hand.



Incorrect, you're making up numbers! You said you never do that!

Per the Noctua TDP guide for various existing platforms, the cooler I have is rated up to 220W on AM3+ because of the 9590 it can be used with. In fact, even some of their midsized coolers can handle that much! That's a 131.5% higher TDP rating than the 1800X! And 95 watts higher than the current Wraith cooler is rated for!

Hour long I timestamped it exactly where they talk about RYZEN lol.

I'm done with you you are on my ignore list too, crazy people lol. making shit up when all ya had to do was hit the play button and listen for 40 secs. OH I don't want to listen to it because its an hour long!

Another fuckin lie.

 

[Ieldra]

Just for an example, my video card has a 600w cooler. This means that based on their calculation it can dissipate 600w of power while keeping the card within operating temperatures

 

[razor1]

Just for an example, my video card has a 600w cooler. This means that based on their calculation it can dissipate 600w of power while keeping the card within operating temperatures

Fury X had a 500 watt AIO yet it overclocked like shit.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Hour long I timestamped it exactly where they talk about RYZEN lol.

I'm done with you you are on my ignore list too, crazy people lol. making shit up when all ya had to do was hit the play button and listen for 40 secs. OH I don't want to listen to it because its an hour long!

Another fuckin lie.

In case you didn't already ignore me. I went back and rewatched from your timestamp, and I realized why I didn't see your points made by them in the video. They stated 4.0-4.3ghz AIO OC, which in that same sentence he specifies as "overclock".

That directly contradicts your claims of "base" clock numbers, and leads me to believe they have bad info or info based on ES's.

Fury X had a 500 watt AIO yet it overclocked like shit.

An architecture limitation... which is totally unrelated to Ryzen.

 

[razor1]

Just for an example, my video card has a 600w cooler. This means that based on their calculation it can dissipate 600w of power while keeping the card within operating temperatures

Funny guy still responding to my posts even though he is on ignore lol.

he didn't get its wasn't an architectural limitation, it was limitation of node lol, one look at the where the voltages were on Fiji, a seeing eye dog could see it was pushed well above where it should have been at....

architecture lead to the node voltage max. Not hard at all to see.

Lets see what happens with Ryzen. Sounds to me something along those lines, just not as severe, the AIO's are introduced to stay competitive with Intel.... and that is what Enthusiasts would need to with Ryzen.

What is the next excuse, the architecture made AMD push the clocks up, made them recommend AIO's lol, yeah ok. Ridiculous. can't even watch a 40 sec clip by hitting the play button, that specifically states if overclocking to 4.0 to 4.3 base clocks its likely to need an AIO.

Its like I need to get a baby spoon and start feeding with that, maybe worse, a teat replica like in meet the fockers.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

he didn't get its wasn't an architectural limitation, it was limitation of node lol, one look at the where the voltages were on Fiji, a seeing eye dog could see it was pushed well above where it should have been at....

architecture lead to the node voltage max. Not hard at all to see.

So it wasn't an architectural limit holding back the clocks. It was an architectural limit holding back the clocks?

This guy kills me.

 

[pendragon1]

funny guy puts someone on ignore but still talks to them...

 

[cageymaru]

ManofGod pendragon1

Interesting
https://webcache.googleusercontent....-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

ManofGod pendragon1

Interesting
https://webcache.googleusercontent....-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I'm really glad to see 3200mhz memory support on the boards.

But the real test will be whether or not the IMC can handle that... if not for Zen, then maybe Zen+ if you upgrade chips on the same mobo at the refresh.