KazeoHin
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Common enough for knowledgable enthusiasts, but imagine what the OP thinks of it... And those who believe him as a civil servant?Thought that the 28 core demo was common knowledge?
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Common enough for knowledgable enthusiasts, but imagine what the OP thinks of it... And those who believe him as a civil servant?Thought that the 28 core demo was common knowledge?
AMD is doing good.
Just remember that all the industry professionals think that Intel 28 core was a complete failure, and that it could never be a retail product on Intel's current process. Intel required over 1000w and industrial refrigeration to beat AMD's 32 core running on an air cooler.
It's a German site that I don't think I've ever heard of and if I have they weren't relevant enough to remember so yes it's obscure on a US based/centric site.
>Ignore when AMD out-sold Intel on Amazon, because Amazon is now a pro AMD country, ITT
Don't worry juan, at least daddies' new 28 core ES will warm your favela.
Interesting how low Skylake-X and Threadripper sales are compared to the other platforms.
Those "industry professionals" that had to ask if 5GHz was an overclock, because they know nothing about technology? The same professionals that don't understand why Intel used a watter chiller during the demo?
It will be funny to revisit this issue next year when both chips are released and we have sales data at hand.
But let me guess, Intel had ALWAYS planned on showing off this processor, and it was years in production, and AMD's threadripper success had NOTHING AT ALL to do with this obviously rushed and non-real showing?
Funny that Intel didn't mention the overclock, and only made sure to 'correct' that fact AFTER all the main consumer press published their articles about the supposed '5GHz 28 core Intel chip releasing soon'
No way 5GHz will be a base clock.
Base clock seems to be 2.7GHz. All core turbo could be 3.2--3.4GHz.
I will say once again that 5GHz is an overclock that Intel is promising, so 5GHz is likely to be max single-core (dual-core?) boost for the chip on stock settings.
But let me guess, Intel had ALWAYS planned on showing off this processor, and it was years in production, and AMD's threadripper success had NOTHING AT ALL to do with this obviously rushed and non-real showing?
Also, are you proud that a company with LITERALLY less than 10% of your employer's R&D budget is standing toe-to-toe in sales data in HEDT markets? You spin it to say "Skylake X is selling just as well as threadripper" when really, a 50/50 split on sales means Intel is LOSING market.
Yes, ThreadRipper is selling so well as Skylake-X in that store. But this is a pro-AMD store on a pro-AMD country, so Skylake-X sales have much more merit.
And yet they are extremely proud of the things they make.
Which is why the AMD market-share would be higher than almost any other country.
GERMANS BUY CARS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, but they still prefer their own. As long as AMD is making decent chips, (essentially everything except Pehenom 1 and Bulldozer). the makers will buy it.
You will have to prove that:
a) AMD has, indeed, higher market share in Germany than in the rest of the world
b) That said higher market share is due to German patriotism.
The numbers reported by mindfactory.de doesn't reflect worldwide numbers. AMD grow about 3% in the desktop overall and got about 13% marketshare, whereas in that German store sales of AMD desktop units grow by about 2x to get 56% share.
I don't think it has something to do with patriotism, but more with economic/social reasons, including gratitude towards the brand gives jobs to you and your family.
Your average Joe doesn't buy the individual components for their pc, they buy a whole, mounted unit. Also, you need only to check the amount of 8700K in regards of % of total Intel units to see that this data can't be extrapolated to the whole market. I'm sure that if you were to see Intel number's themselves the 8700K would amount AT MOST to 5% of their total desktop sales, whereas on mindfactory you have more than 20%.
And how many employees does AMD have in Germany?
People aren't stupid, they buy whatever they fit their needs better. People buying AMD has nothing to do with being biased towards or against one or the other. Heck I have bought Intel for the past decade and might very well get Ryzen sooner rather than later. Intel has been dropping the ball in several scenarios and I'm getting tired of them.
I know all that. My point was about Intel:AMD ratios, not about performance:mainstream chip ratios.
It is not only about direct employees, but as well about the jobs generated around those.
No one here said that people purchasing AMD, in general, are biased towards the brand. What has been said is that Mindfactory.de is a pro-AMD store in a pro-AMD country. Don't mix a comment about a small part of the whole with a comment about the whole.
brother you can keep regurgitating this nonsense a thousand times over, that still does not make it true. literally no one over here gives a single fuck that AMD operates two fabs in eastern germany, in fact i'd wager that 99% of germans don't even know that this is the case at all. besides, this is not how german patriotism works - AMD is not a traditionally german company so there is absolutely zero loyalty towards it. they may be well liked in the city of dresden but that's it. that's like saying us germans are pro-ford because there is a single huge factoy in cologne. ford created around 60k jobs in germany, but i can assure you - no one cares. amd created, what, 3k? that's nothing and it shows. again, even the notion that germany is somehow pro-amd because a few chips are made in our far eastern parts is ridiculous.
And guys, just because you make the FX line doesn't mean you don't also buy Ryzen. It's not a single BRAND, it's an entire industry of German Cars.
Not everyone can work in a a Porche/BMW factory, but everyone who works in the German Auto Industry wants to own one.
AMD's processors are now made world-wide, but for a long time they were mostly made in Germany.
If you say so...
Top three best seller CPUs in Amazon stores:
STORE --> #1 #2 #3
COM --> Intel Intel Intel
UK --> Intel Intel Intel
ES --> Intel Intel Intel
FR --> Intel Intel Intel
IT --> Intel Intel Intel
DE --> Intel AMD AMD
But there is more. when considering the top ten bestsellers, only the Germany list has six CPUs from AMD. This doesn't happen in the other stores, where Intel owns the mayority of the top ten. In fact the France store has only CPUs from Intel in the top ten. This means AMD is selling a lot more on Amazon Germany that in other stores. But all of us know that Germany is pro-AMD. Note that not only AMD is selling more on Germany, but Amazon Germany is the only store where the ancient "diffused in Germany" Piledriver is #2 in sales, outpacing even to Ryzen.
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So the point in the OP remains, Intel sales are outpacing AMD even in a pro-AMD store as mindfactory.de
That's also not true, AMD completed fab 30 in Dresden in 1999, with production in 2000, fab 36 opened in 2006. They spun them off a couple years later in 2009. GF has owned them as long as AMD did at this point.
For the first 30 years of business, AMD operated fabs in Austin, so based on this completely nonesense logic, AMD sales in Texas should be through the roof.
ok, i checked.
amazon.co.uk bestsellers: the top 6 cpus are 3/3 intel/amd: 8700k, 8400, 1600x, FX 8350, 2600, 8600k. so your list is wrong. also there are 5 amd cpus in the top ten.
in spain there are 4. i stopped there.
No, my list is not wrong. I took a photo of the three top positions in the UK yesterday and shared it in twitter
All the lists are updated and suffer fluctuations.
It is well-known that Germany is pro-AMD
so what you're saying is that those lists say fuck all about consumer preference?
hahaha, by whom? you? certainly not a single german [H] member, let alone anyone they know.
Who has been the main customer of GF?
You can dislike the logic, but the data shows that AMD is selling more in Germany than in other countries.
No, my list is not wrong. I took a photo of the three top positions in the UK yesterday and shared it in twitter
I just want to add in here that Germany is know in Europe to have very good electronics prices and a lot of people in countries around Germany will buy hardware from there to save money and as such I would not take those sales numbers as beeing specific/typical for Germany.
I would even argue that AMD sells better due to people from abroad where they have lower incomes buying those as they are usually cheaper then intel's parts and they can't afford those. (among others there are some fairly high VAT differences still in the european Union)
Your "logic" is flawed, its based on one data point
you're so famous for it that even Linus Torvalds knows your're a shill and has called you out for it.
A white paper with full details is available (but not made public still). A research package with PoCs is on the hands of AMD, Microsoft, HP, Dell, Symantec, FireEye, and Cisco Systems, to help them develop patches and mitigation.
But Intel is amazing & respects their customers.
Their cores are so powerful that they wanted to keep milking it with 4 cores and + 3% performance gains for 10+ years.
Damn AMD for innovating and forcing Intel engineers to start offering 6/8 cores to mainstream.....
Also, Intel platform and motherboards are so superior that they force you to upgrade motherboard on every cpu release.
Unlike AMD where, if you buy a Ryzen in 2017, you can use the same motherboard in 2019 with 7nm cpu......
True story here guys-
I own stock in Intel and have made good money off of it (bought at $32 per share, now at $51)
I want to say thanks to the Intel loyalists for continuing to buy 3 motherboards in the same time frame AMD users buy one.
I just want to add in here that Germany is know in Europe to have very good electronics prices and a lot of people in countries around Germany will buy hardware from there to save money and as such I would not take those sales numbers as beeing specific/typical for Germany.
ROFL. That is like pretending that one cannot talk about cold and hot coutries because temperature fluctuates.
Whatever you say.
you mean one can generate and analyze patterns based on literal decades of data, measured in dozens of places to predict trends and compare different climates?
just like you did here?
oh wait, no you did not. you have a single data point that fluctuates hourly (just like your 8700k price list, which is already outdated, too) from which you derive the general consumer behaviour and -preference of the most powerful economy in europe.
UK: £305.00 --> 345 euro
ES: 333.45 eur
IT: 334.99 euro
FR: 317.90 euro
DE: 372.90 euro
GG. but keep going, please. i mean, it must be that everyone else is wrong, right? especially the people who have first hand experience with the german microelectronics market.
as of 5 min ago
UK: £ 318.97 (lowest has been £ 283.41 highest £ 464.66 average £ 314.81 or €355.83)
DE: € 345.17 (lowest has been € 193.31 highest € 670.58 average € 324.51)
https://de.camelcamelcamel.com/Inte...nz-L3-Cache/product/B07598VZR8?context=search
I have more than one data point, and two of them are public (Mindfactory.de and amazon.de) and all them prove the point.
Germany is pro-AMD because AMD has been giving lots of jobs to Germans. Remember the "diffused in Germany" that you can find in AMD chips since older Athlons to recentest 7000-series APUs
It is well-known that Germany is pro-AMD
reports from mindfactory.de are 'leaked' to the press.
I have more than one data point, and two of them are public (Mindfactory.de)
Selling stuff to Germany counts as first hand experience?