Intel Chipset Design Error!!!

Discussion in 'Motherboards' started by bezant, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. maverick786us

    maverick786us [H]ard|Gawd

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    With this design flaw, in older boards, is it safe to buy new P67 Boards right now or do I have to wait till March / April untill this thing does'nt get fixed?? :(
     
  2. Ocellaris

    Ocellaris Ginger @le, an alcoholic's best friend.

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    Please please please select almost any page in this thread and read a few posts, this has been asked and answered repeatedly.
     
  3. Forceman

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    If you can find one, they are safe to buy, especially if you are only using 2 drives. however, you'll just have to exchange the board in the April timeframe, so may as well just wait until then.
     
  4. jwalk6

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    I'm talking about product QA and was not reaching any further than flaky version 1.0 products. A bad chipset isn't going to kill anyone unless you burst your aneurism from frustration with it or something. If it wasn't a big deal Intel and the board makers would not have allowed so much press and would have quietly did a BIOS gimp on the version 1.0 boards until the corrected chipsets were available.

    And since when does anyone who sells a product that offers less than you paid for get a pass? Whether one wants to admit it or not (with this chipset) you're either stuck waiting for an RMA till April or you cross your fingers.

    But if you want to bring safety into it. Yeah, the Toyota problem was a big deal, Even bigger than when Volvo had a similar problem 20 years earlier. Most of the deaths happened in Asian countries which is another reason you don't hear about larger numbers of fatalities in the U.S. The whole problem stemmed from Toyota being cheap and outsourcing components from the lowest bidder without any oversight. Chairman Toyoda's reach exceeded his grasp and he's already admitted it.

    Maybe Intel has done the same thing and your x67 mobos are all going to suddenly rev to the stratosphere and fly off your desk and into your new Highlander and explode killing the whole cul de sac!

    or not...

    :cool:
     
  5. Pishk

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    Had a lot of troubles with my new build so far. Knowing I have to replace my board in another month or so if I do manage to get it running properly is a bit of a downer :(
     
  6. glen

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    This seems to be the theme, if Asus and other MB purchasers had not been having all these various issues with customers even getting their systems to work, do you think this would have been recalled?

    My guess is the MB manufacturers went to Intel and said we are selling unstable motherboards and we think cougar point is flawed period. Intel had to find something wrong with them that they could announce in order to bail out the companies like Asus who was about to lose a lot of respect.

    My guess is Chipset stepping C and MB rev 1.1's will have a lot of bugs worked out, not just the public one.
     
  7. cicatriz63

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    Except people fail to realize that for every poster that posts here and has issues theres another dozen sitting happily behind their machine with no issues. With a brand new chipset of course there is going to be some growing pains, but people are acting like 99% of people with these boards are having problems, and thats certainly not the case.
     
  8. maverick786us

    maverick786us [H]ard|Gawd

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    But is this defect so hard, that Intel is taking 2-3 months to get it fixed? They know what is causing the problem, by now they should have released a new updated rivision of this chipset for new buyers
     
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    I'll vouch for that. My only issue was I couldnt get the hdd to show up when plugged into sata3, turned out I needed to enable sata3 to boot first in the bios - once I did everything installed fine.

    Full disclosure - my wifi pci works until I update the windows updates but that's obviously software not hardware related so I dont count it as an issue.
    /RMA'd it and bought a different one.
     
  10. glen

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    Now I wished I had bought one when they were available. Think it would be nuts to buy one off ebay?
     
  11. YeuEmMaiMai

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    just curious where did you get your data saying most deaths were in asia? most of the asia stories are material originally posted here and they claim up 89 deaths since 2001
     
  12. night_2004

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    They figured the problem out what, this week? Going to take at least a few weeks for a silicon revision to make it through the fabs, test it, and then verify all is okay.
     
  13. Katalysis

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    Mad props to New Egg. I sent them an email asking if I could RMA my entire system build, which included orders a week before I bought the mobo and cpu. Even though my SSD was open (the box, it was still in the antistatic bag) they are letting me return the entire thing for a refund with no restocking fee, which is why I will be buying my new system form them.
     
  14. Ehren8879

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    Not advised! Getting a B3 replacement MIGHT be a hassle.

    On an unrelated note:
    I'm still happily using my system without a worry. If this wasn't my only functioning desktop then I might have tried to return the board. I'm confident that Superbiiz will take care of me when the time comes, but if not then I'm sure Gigabyte will have a "shady supplier" replacement plan. I've had luck ordering from Superbiiz so far, so this is a chance for them to In the meantime I get to play with some exclusive hardware that you can't get anymore :cool:

    Even if it is technically bunged.
     
  15. NiColaoS

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    Personally, I'm extremely satisfied with my ASuS P8P67 even now while the problem occurred...

    My M/B got four 6GB/s ports. 2 Intel and 2 Marvell. By the way, I'd like to ask, I got my Intel SSD and WD Caviar Black connected to Marvell ports and my DVD to Intel Port ( 6GB/s )...

    Is it fine or you think I can gain much if I reverse the connections? I mean to put both of my disks in Intel ports and DVD in Marvell port...

    Any suggestions with arguments about why?

    Thank you! Waiting without any concern my brand new M/B in April!
     
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  16. Chowder Head

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    I'm in the process of building my 2500K/P8P67 pro setup and had a question. I know the replacement motherboards are expected to be out in April I believe but once I get this current rig running and install drivers, applications, etc, can I swap out motherboards and have everything that was installed work just fine with the new build? Or will it turn into a fiasco? I'm about to run Win 7 btw.

    Last question, how comparable are the Marvell 6GB/s ports compared to the affected Intel 3GB/s ports?

    Thanks!
     
  17. YeuEmMaiMai

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    wow so your ssd has no problems but you are going to use the Intel problem as an excuse to return it?.....
     
  18. cicatriz63

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    I would put the ssd and the hdd on the intel 6g ports just to stick with the native sb as they are not affected by the sata defect. I have my optical on the 3g port with the marvell ports turned off. im not really worried about the optical. if i have issues with it i will try moving it to the marvell.
     
  19. Forceman

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    I don't think the Marvell ports on that board support optical drives.
     
  20. Katalysis

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    And that is supposed to mean what, exactly? Not only is it within the return window, it actually it has a huge fucking problem--I get really shitty read speeds out of it considering I HAVE NO MOTHERBOARD TO INSTALL IT IN.

    I don't think returning a product I have no use for, within the return window, which was only opened by a slice on a sticker (the internals were never opened), because of a motherboard recall is an "excuse." I guess I should be stuck with all these parts I bought and cannot use because Intel designed a defective motherboard which I don't want to replace in the future? Then, I should just eat the difference in cost if I were to buy them later just to let them sit on my shelf? The bracket, memory, and CPU have no issues either. Should I eat those for 2-3 months, too?
     
  21. Disposed

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    The marvell ones the dark blue ones? If so yes, it does. Although i had issues with it at first but a bios update cleared it right up.
     
  22. YeuEmMaiMai

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    lol i guess the fact that you could actually put the system together and use the 6GB ports while waiting for everthing to smooth out is a bad idea, right?

    lol *waits for "but I had my hdd plugged into the sata 6GBps port" comment that is going to surely follow... all you had to do was be patient and this problem would have been sorted out and you would still be using your new build...now you RMA your stuff and are back to using an old system. Exactly how long does it take to swap a MB on a system with a pull out tray? not that long.... heck even with my mATX setup a board swap is <30 mins...... and that is without a slide out tray......

    you got the system eveything works except for the 3GB ports and that would have been resolved in like <2 months anyways.
     
  23. Katalysis

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    No, I didn't even have it yet. It literally just arrived in my office. I'm not going to unbox and put it together just to return it later. I can wait another two months for a new build.

    Exactly how long does it take to mail a MB to somewhere, wait for them to receive it, wait for them to ship one back, and rebuild it, all while going without a desktop? Some of you guys seem real butt hurt about people not wanting to build a system and replace the MB in two months. Sorry, but I can tough it out for two months with my Q6600.
     
  24. glen

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    It looks like after the mainstream online suppliers took these off their listing, the smaller shops left them up with their customers knowing they will only have the manufacturers warranty.

    And they still sold out.

    So this says folks have a huge faith in intel. I expect you may be able to find an MSI lower price range board, but every Asus pro seem gone.

    I was hoping there would be a few deals on boards that didn't get sold. Either a lot of people still wanted these boards with the defect, or Asus bought back every one they sold even to 2nd tier market outlets. Does Asus honor warranty no matter where you purchase (is there a Authorized Dealer only clause?
     
  25. maverick786us

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    Laptops mostly use only 1 HDD. So is it safe to buy an HP Envy 17 with an SB CPU and HD 6850?
     
  26. Disposed

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    No. The laptop would ONLY run on the bad chipset, there wont be another to use in its place.
     
  27. Forceman

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    You'd have to check with the manufacturer - some of them probably use the 6G ports, and since you can't add extra drives, they would be fine.
     
  28. Disposed

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    Im pretty sure there are no 6g ports on the laptop chipsets. Why in the world would there be?

    Suppose you never know but im fairly certain all the SB laptops are running on the bad sata ports.
     
  29. Impulse

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    Personally I'm not that bummed out over the whole thing as a lot of you are... But I do think it's a very big deal, it may not have much of an impact for Intel in the long run but it's still a royal screw up and AMD could very well capitalize on it in a big way (but probably won't). Laptop sales are the biggest driving force in the market right now and neither Bulldozer nor SB designs would be out in time to flood the market for this recall to matter much, we enthusiasts get way too wrapped up on our powerful desktops but most consumers stopped caring about desktops a few years ago.

    Anyway, I got a pretty high end MSI board, the GD55 (one step down from the GD65 [H]ard reviewed), it only has two SATA3 ports... So contrary to what many are saying, the majority of enthusiast boards don't necessarily have 4 SATA3 ports (ASUS' do, but not MSI/GB's)... So far MSI and Newegg seem to be handling it very well tho, both have offered to do cross-shipping when the replacements are in so I'm happy, I just won't be doing much movie/music ripping 'till then (might not even leave the optical drive hooked in).... No big deal for me.

    People really need to stop taking that 5% over 3 years line or whatever it is as some kinda gospel though, it was an off the cuff estimate and it doesn't mean by any means that boards won't fail until after 3 years. Some of you seriously need to take an intro to statistics class, or at 'least read about it for 15 min. Your SATA2 ports could still fail 6 months from now regardless of what Intel's projecting; and data loss WILL be a problem depending on how long they take to fail. If it fails fast enough there won't be enough time for data corruption to be an issue, it fails over the course of a month and you've got a HDD that you use often on it you'd be delusional to think that your data won't be affected.
     
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  30. alxnet2003

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    Just like their desktop counterparts, all the sandy bridge mobile chipsets support 2 SATA III ports, at least according to Wikipedia. Finding out which laptops actually make use of Sata III is pretty tricky:

    A few snippets I managed to dig up:

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1615028:
    "I just noticed that someone uploaded a benchmark of the P150HM with a Crucial C300 SSD on notebookreview. It looks like this laptop does indeed support SATA-III :)
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42088485@N04/5373233526/#/"

    http://techiser.com/santech-n67-fully-customizable-sandy-bridge-notebook-133974.html
    These guys advertise a Sata III enabled eSata port so presumably, the internal port is Sata III as well.

    I know if I were manufacturing sandy bridge laptops, I'd absolutely use the two Sata III ports supported by the mobile sandy bridge chipsets before even considering the Sata II ports. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise since Sata III is backwards compatible with Sata II drives and with the chipset supporting it, it's essentially the same cost whether you connect up the Sata III or Sata II.
     
  31. Impulse

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    It makes sense to use those ports, but a lot of it comes down to cost cutting and the custom mobos that each manufacturer may already have designed for X or Y laptop model... So it's not guaranteed by any means. I'm keeping my SB desktop until I can get a replacement; both Newegg and MSI are offering cross-shipping and I got some good discounts on the parts anyway ($20 rebate on mobo, $35 combo discount, and a free game)... But I wouldn't dream of buying a SB laptop until this is resolved.
     
  32. alxnet2003

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    Agree it's absolutely a big f-up. Like you though, I'm not concerned at all with my setup. I have the Gigabyte P67A-U3P which only has two SATA 3 ports. I bought a $20 PCIe card adding two more SATA 3 ports (which is all I needed) and promptly forgot about the bug by disconnecting all drives from the SATA 2 ports. I can understand why others would raise hell about the problem, but I needed the nice speed bump right now and couldn't wait the three months to pick up a newly bug-free motherboard.
     
  33. Impulse

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    I'm actually kind of glad I bought my system in the nick of time (the Friday before the recall on the following Monday)... I got some good deals that I might have otherwise missed; a $35 combo discount (actually came out cheaper than MicroCenter's combos despite Newegg's higher price on the 2500K), a $20 rebate on the mobo, a free game I didn't own yet (Assassin's Creed 2), and a 15% discount that Newegg was running on all memory. I've got a couple of slow weeks to build it right now, now clue when I'll have that kinda time again, couldn't be happier tbh.
     
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  34. Disposed

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    So am i. The performance is fantastic for the money and i can live with the 4 available ports until replacements arrive. My order shipped literally hours before newegg pulled everything off the site i am pretty happy.
     
  35. InfernalMachine

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    I ordered all my parts in the nick of time too, well except the mobo but I jumped a couple of hurdles (ordered from more than one place) and ended up getting one shipped out...I should be building this week once UPS sorts out their shipping notifications due to weather!
     
  36. gn0me

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    I did almost the same as you, bought a 580 GTX, Intel 120 GB SSD (OS drive) and 1 TB HDD about 3 weeks before Sandy Bridge was released. Of course I could not let these gems sit on my shelf waiting for SB to be released, so I used them in my Q6600 system. When SB was released I bought the remaining parts needed for a full system build (case, mb, psu, cpu, ram) and swapped in the other 3 parts. When this chipset design issue came up, I RMA'd everything except for the video card, SSD and 1 TB HDD. I put those back in my Q6600 system due huge increase in performance they gave it. Since I'm now probably going to wait for Ivy Bridge, the increase in performance for my Q6600 system is worth it to me.

    Anyways, you should have kept that SSD and put it in your Q6600 to enjoy the benefits while waiting for your next go at Sandy Bridge. 5 second cold boots, instant loads, super fast installs. Best $200 investment made for a computer.
     
  37. lightp2

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    I think this post is appropriate here.

    The most critical issue from this point onward per SB-Chipset revolves on the following circumstances

    1. Major Enteprise and Consumer brands, plus component makers all announced plans to address the SB-motherboards, response generally reasonable so far considering the short-timeframe.

    2. The MOST critical uncertainty per generic consumer, now I am going into detail

    2a. per announcement, we know the are millions of affected units.
    2b. Some users, as they claim, no big deal because they use SATA 6Gb ports.
    2c. According to some, many SB motherboards still selling in markets.

    2d. The PROBLEM here is exactly point 2b and 2c. Why?
    2d-1. The 1st hand users maybe OK, but if you are not getting replacement, perhaps one day you sell the problem-motherboard to 2nd-hand or n-hand users. Will they be ever alert as 1st user? Users on [H] maybe. Unsuspecting Joe may not.
    2d-2. Some may ask what is your problem? Do you have a stake here? For record, no I do not have any. I will explain next
    2d-3. Again, there are several millions affected units. If you are not replacing, statistic says probably a large portion left. Intel-chipset-based motherboards are generally wellknown as well-performing, stable and dependable platform as long as you run stock, even with cheaper setups. You can just roll and forget. This long-held assurance is at stake.

    2d-4 With this potentially large portion affected units (as some users say they are perfectly fine, and we still do not know the reality on the corporate side), sooner or later they are going to end up in the secondary markets.

    2d-5 One way is we can CLEARLY identify fixed motherboards in comparison to affected units. Then it will make it easy for everyone. I give an example. IF
    a. Original SB-P67A-1234
    b. Fixed new release SB-P67AFix-1234
    Here the designation is very clear so no easy confusion about ending up with the wrong boards. Obviously if you are [H], you know the workaround, you can decide. I suspect given a choice, even [H] members want the fixed version almost everytime, unless someone selling the original at rock bottom price, [Which you can promptly RMA I guess :) ]

    In summary, it depends on the execution of recall. If majority replaced as promised by all major vendors, fine. If there are 2 or 3 millions affected unit left in the markets, sooner or later they are going to end up with users not prepared for workaround, which then leads to storage problems, which leads to data corruption, frustration, probably other things.

    Finally, this is just merely observation if problem is not addressed fast. Luckily, seems all the major vendors are on-board to rectify the issue.
     
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  38. Elledan

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    Knowing the chipset revision somehow would be very helpful indeed. It kind of reminds me of the situation with NVidia's GTX260 cards, with its 192 & 260 SP versions without any clear indication of which type you got unless you did some research. At least there you could research using the model number. Will SB chipsets offer such an option? Will there be some easy way to verify you got a defect mainboard? I think it's a very legitimate question.
     
  39. Ocellaris

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    Almost every single 216 core version of the GTX260 was labeled with "Core 216" in the name or at least on the box in huge letters.
     
  40. Elledan

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    I realize that :) I meant more when you got the card without the box later on, how to identify it. While shopping for a GTX2xx GPU a while ago it was one of the issues I encountered, having to dive into the GPU details section to find out whether it was a 192 or 216 SP version.

    Eventually I ended up with a GTX275, though :p