I need an expert or two......experienced builder needs help.

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Alright this might get long.....sorry.

I had an old computer that was all over the place. It would reboot, BSOD, and refuse to open programs sometimes because the memory was too low. I got sick of trying to find the problems so i built a new one.

This is my setup

C2D 6420 (Cooled with AS5, thermalright SI120, Silverstone 9 blade fan)
Evga 608i
2G GSkill RAM
Corsair 620W
Thermaltake Mozart Tx case
8 various sized HDD's. Boot drive is a 750G from Seagate SATA.
Creative X-fi card
Asus 8600GT (no games ever)
EVRYTHING AT STOCK!!

Alright, so now these problems are comming up again. So its either a peice of software i am using that has a leak or something very very odd.

I have tested the ram, the obvious choice for such problems, in memtest for 2days with no failures. My PSU is super solid from BIOS and windows. And i have tested everything i know how to. I have run super Pi (one on each core), i have run every program i know to overload a system and they always pass and my computer runs solid.


But i surf the web for a couple hours a day for 2 days and then Photoshop wont open. It will start to load, and 3sec into it, it will just close. When it does this, i hit ctrl, alt, del and it will only say i am using 35-40% of my total available memory. This isn't just big programs. Sometimes i can't load winamp, sometimes i can't even load crazy small programs like UltraMon.


So if i can load the programs because i dont have enough memory available and it says i have MORE then enough. WHATS THE FUCKING DEAL?!?!




How can i check to see what's running and using system resources other then Ctrl, Alt, Del?? Is there something i can run to log settings when my computer crashes? I have tried using speedfan for this, but my PSU voltages, cpu speed and everything it monitors was perfect when the auto log it creates was stopped(rebooted)


I would love any help, but i have done all the tests i know, and everything tells me that i have a perfect machine, and it will OC like mad, but i can't get it to run stable at stock because of randomness......So pushing my OC will be till later.
 
What model board is that and what revision is it?

List the drives/models. Did you run a fitness/diagnostic test on the hdds?
 
enginurd said:
What model board is that and what revision is it?

List the drives/models. Did you run a fitness/diagnostic test on the hdds?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188013
This board.

Wow, drives and models....uh, let me look

Seagate 750GB IDE
Seagate 750GB SATA
Seagate 320GB SATA .9
Seagate 250GB IDE .8
WD 200GB IDE
Maxtor 300GB IDE x2
One more i can't remember.....

They arn't all plugged in right now. I only have 6 in my system.


I have reinstalled windows 3 times on 3 different volumes. I haven't done anything crazy testing wise, but i have checked the temps and the drives themself through the SMART readouts....and everything is perfect from them.
 
Try disabling all power saving to see if it improves.

Does a reboot always sort the problem?
Is it only after your PC has been on a few days that the problem occurs?
 
Nenu said:
Try disabling all power saving to see if it improves.

Does a reboot always sort the problem?
Is it only after your PC has been on a few days that the problem occurs?
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Yeah a reboot usually solves the problems, i can open any program i want.


1. All power saving is off, i dont like that shit anyway.
2. My computer is always on, so i dont know. Yeah it happens after my comp has been on, but sometimes it will be days or weeks and sometimes only a couple hours till it starts being all goofy.




Here is an example of the problem........GUess which one is the messed up one, and which is the nice normal one.









This completely sounds like a memory problem, i know, and i have tested the hell outta my memory. I just think its wierd a problem migrated from my old computer to my new one and the only things that were in both are the programs i use, memory leaks, and my X-fi card and DVD-RW.....hdd's too obviously. [/awkward sentence]
 
Try going to Belarc.com and running a Belarc PC Advisor report. Post the results here (you may want to blur out the serial numbers) and maybe we can make some more suggestions. This report will show all hardware and software so it can be helpful in troubleshooting.
 
From the screenshots it looks like some resource has been used up.
It could be tough to find the app at fault as the problem can take days to surface.

Do you by any chance run an NVidia firewall?
 
frogger42 said:
Try going to Belarc.com and running a Belarc PC Advisor report. Post the results here (you may want to blur out the serial numbers) and maybe we can make some more suggestions. This report will show all hardware and software so it can be helpful in troubleshooting.
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Nenu said:
From the screenshots it looks like some resource has been used up.
It could be tough to find the app at fault as the problem can take days to surface.

Do you by any chance run an NVidia firewall?
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I know, tell me about it......

i guess thats what i am bascially asking, how to tell when something is using the resources in a way that i can't tell from what i have looked at so far.
 
Danny Bui said:
When it BSOD, what error message does it give you?
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it usually just reboots.....it hasn't BSOD'd in quite a while. those may not be related because of how infrequent they are, but they happen. I think they are related to my sound card.
 
Anything notable in the windows Event Viewer after it reboots/refuses to load a program? Do you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard? If you haven't tried it already, I would just plug in one hard drive/one optical drive and load windows and your apps on that and see if it still happens.
 
Why are both AVG and NOD32 installed?
(I would uninstall AVG.)

Run CHKDSK on all volumes.

Update all drivers.

Pull audio card and use on-board audio to see if that changes anything.
 
Make sure the onboard audio is disabled if you're using the X-Fi. Sometimes they don't like to play nice together.

Also make sure your RAM timings are set manually in the BIOS to what is specified for the RAM. This includes voltage. Some RAM sets require higher voltage and some motherboards will not default to that higher voltage causing problems.

My other guess would be to pull all hard drives out except for the one with your Windows installation.

I have an AthlonXP system which did not like a 120 gig WD drive I had put in it for storage. I had never had a previous problem with the drive before with any system so it didn't make any sense. However, I pulled the drive and all my lockups went away. It could also be something as simple and obscure as the jumper settings on the IDE drives and what part of the cable they are on. This has messed with me countless times before.

Another thing you might want to check is what mode the drives are running in whether it's DMA or PIO.

Also, while troubleshooting a problem, turn off the automatically reboot option so you can see which BSOD it is. The last (actually first thing) to do is check the system logs in event viewer to see if there are in errors in there which may be causing your problem.

 
xpavement said:
Anything notable in the windows Event Viewer after it reboots/refuses to load a program? Do you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard? If you haven't tried it already, I would just plug in one hard drive/one optical drive and load windows and your apps on that and see if it still happens.
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Events look clean. NOthing that stands out to me, but i am by no means an expert at things like that.

Bios is updated


I've tryed just one drive and it does it goes goofy after a while. I think its a mem leak from a program or something stupid like that.
 
Spartacus said:
Why are both AVG and NOD32 installed?
(I would uninstall AVG.)

Run CHKDSK on all volumes.

Update all drivers.

Pull audio card and use on-board audio to see if that changes anything.
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Chk disk on all drives is clean, drivers for everything should be updated. Well atleast as of 2months ago. I could recheck i guess.




I guess i could pull my sound card. the sucky part is that it takes days to show up sometimes and so if this is the fix, i might not know it for a long time. But i am thinking it's my X-fi. I dont know why but i think it is.......
 
SmokeRngs said:
Make sure the onboard audio is disabled if you're using the X-Fi. Sometimes they don't like to play nice together.

Also make sure your RAM timings are set manually in the BIOS to what is specified for the RAM. This includes voltage. Some RAM sets require higher voltage and some motherboards will not default to that higher voltage causing problems.

My other guess would be to pull all hard drives out except for the one with your Windows installation.

I have an AthlonXP system which did not like a 120 gig WD drive I had put in it for storage. I had never had a previous problem with the drive before with any system so it didn't make any sense. However, I pulled the drive and all my lockups went away. It could also be something as simple and obscure as the jumper settings on the IDE drives and what part of the cable they are on. This has messed with me countless times before.

Another thing you might want to check is what mode the drives are running in whether it's DMA or PIO.

Also, while troubleshooting a problem, turn off the automatically reboot option so you can see which BSOD it is. The last (actually first thing) to do is check the system logs in event viewer to see if there are in errors in there which may be causing your problem.

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How do i disable onboard sound?? I looked around and couldn't find anything.

I loosened ram timings and ran mem test al various ram speeds to make sure this wasn't the issue......because this problem SCREAMS ram problems. I increased voltage to what it should be. I am rocking 5-5-5-15 at stock speed and correct voltage. way looser then 4-3-3-10 that i could do easily.





What events in the log are bad? i guess i dont see anything that stands out as a huge problem. But with so many random reboots it's not clean but i dont know what it should look like. How do i disable auto reboot??? I assume you mean in the BIOS, but i am checking.
 
System Properties >> Advanced >> Startup and Recovery Settings >> Under System Failure, uncheck "Automatically restart"

How to get to System Properties:
a) Right click on "My Computer" and click on Properties
b) [ALT] and double click the desktop "My Computer" icon
c) [WINDOWS] + [PAUSE/BREAK]
d) [WINDOWS] + [R], type "sysdm.cpl" and hit ENTER
e) Start >> Run >> Type in "sysdm.cpl", and hit ENTER
f) Control Panel >> System
 
enginurd said:
System Properties >> Advanced >> Startup and Recovery Settings >> Under System Failure, uncheck "Automatically restart"

How to get to System Properties:
a) Right click on "My Computer" and click on Properties
b) [ALT] and double click the desktop "My Computer" icon
c) [WINDOWS] + [PAUSE/BREAK]
d) [WINDOWS] + [R], type "sysdm.cpl" and hit ENTER
e) Start >> Run >> Type in "sysdm.cpl", and hit ENTER
f) Control Panel >> System
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done and waiting for things to f up
 
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