I got $97 problems and this aint one - Inland 1TB NVMe Premium $97 Microcenter

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  1. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

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    It is a good price, but in the grand scheme of things, the speed improvements are not practically relevant.

    Jumping from spinning hard drives to SATA SSD's was a HUGE LEAP in performance. Going from the fastest SATA SSD's to PCIe/NVMe SSD's was a much smaller deal. I could barely tell the difference going from my old 512GB SATA Samsung 850 Pro to my 400GB PCIe NVMe Intel 750.

    Sure it benched much higher, but in boot and load times? Meh, it was an unremarkable change, nothing like that first amazing leap from hard drives to SATA SSD's. A handful of percent difference between fast TLC NVMe drives like these is likely not even noticeable outside of benchmarks, and they will still fall down in an extended write scenario when the write buffer runs out, as compared to an MLC drive.

    If you don't already have an NVMe boot drive on your desktop or need a larger one, these are a great buy (provided long term reliability holds up) but for anything involving heavy writes (cache disk, scratch disk, etc.) you'll definitely want MLC.
     
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  2. Zarathustra[H]

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    I've never understood the obsessive need to have every title you own installed.

    Up until September last year when I picked up a 1TB Samsung 970 Evo on sale, I had <200GB dedicated to games. (all of my files not requiring fast storage are stored on my 120TB NAS.)

    I would keep 2 or 3 installed at the same time:

    - One single player game with replay value (usually the latest Sid Meier's Civilization)
    - One multiplayer game with replay value (usually Red Orchestra 2)
    - And then I would rotate in single player story FPS games. Install them, play them until I finished the story, and immediately uninstall them and move on to the next.

    I never felt I was missing out in any way, especially considering most games from Steam download and install in under 15 minutes. Click install, go make a drink / eat a sandwich / go to the bathroom and it is almost done when you get back.

    Now that I have some more storage space I keep a few more installed, but I can't say it has made any practical difference to my gaming experience.
     
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  3. Guarana [BAWLS]

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    Someone is living up to their title ;-)
     
  4. Zarathustra[H]

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    LOL. Well I did pick it myself, so :p

    The question is, do you live up to yours? :p
     
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    Kyle doesn't like people who disagree with him ;-)
     
  6. Zarathustra[H]

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    Lol.

    I had my "Pick Your Own You Deserve it" tag up there for so long that Kyle got annoyed, so I picked a new one on the spot. This is the best I came up with, but I find it it be fairly accurate, and I take pride in my curmudgeonry :p
     
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  8. shaolin95

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    dang it. The original one is showing as store pick up only :/
     
  9. wadec22

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    $20 in post #635 by you, seems like NBD. Now in post #637 - you consider it a big difference in expenditure for a drive that is faster in nearly all metrics? You say that "something you are never going to see" yet the drive is 38% faster in the one metric that matters most to how snappy your pc feels for most users. lot of red flags in that logic to me sir.

    all good though, agreeing to disagree and move on.
     
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  10. lostin3d

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    It's not something I've been able to do so I often think how nice it would be. It'd just be nice that's all.

    I admit that's a smart way to go but I don't have a NAS.
     
  11. lostin3d

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    Good to know since we're both running very similar rigs. I might just stick to using the SATA III drives for a while longer with this build. I've got SATA III ports to spare so maybe if I can get 4x 1TB drives at under $75 I might set up a raid for kicks. With something like that I'd wait until the next build in 2-4 years before jumping into the PCIe path since the newer MOBO's seem a bit more catered to them.
     
  12. SixFootDuo

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    Nah, peoples thoughts and logic, considerations evolve and change from one thing to the next. Your attempt to hold me to anything I said in the past then I or anyone else have moved into the future with new thought processes is just ... petty.

    Look, go spend the $140 or $150 ... I promise no one really cares. I'm not trying to talk to hard heads ... those guys are unreachable, I'm only trying to ..... kicking the truth to the young tech youth - WuTang Clan
     
  13. Zarathustra[H]

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    I think the main reason is that desktop loads other than benchmarking rarely go beyond a queue depth of 1.

    Most of the NVMe drives post their best numbers at higher queue depths.
     
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  14. IdiotInCharge

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    It's why I'm not interested in purchasing NVMe so long as SATA drives are cheaper and I have available SATA / SATA M.2 capacity. On the deskop, I can't feel the difference.
     
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    calling out your different philosophical statements two posts apart, that are conflicting but used to argue your view point is just calling out your being hypocritical.
     
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  16. SixFootDuo

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    Then you misunderstand what I've tried to say or I failed in my articulation of words.

    At any rate ... I feel fine.

    Buy this drive, nothing out there beats it.

    Good luck.
     
  17. dvsman

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    While I do appreciate the speed of the NVME drives, as has been said, it's not really a practical difference if you already have (sata3) SSDs in your system.

    What I really do like though is the ease of putting together new builds and the lack of having to route power / sata cables - it's a cleaner build overall as well as better in terms of cooling / airflow. This is even more important as the case form-factor gets smaller and smaller.

    If you can get the benefits of the m.2 size, along with the NVME speed for cheap (like this deal), there's no reason to go sata3 - unless you just like filling all the empty sockets on your motherboard and case or ...
     
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  18. coynatha

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    So been following this thread, and looking for something to get off my 240GB OCZ Vertex 3 (4?) SSD that I've had for YEARS. (paid $400+ for it I think)

    What is the best bang for the buck NVMe drive at the low QD? Because I was thinking at this price why not just get two of the 1TB models and put them in RAID0 and put it all to bed. I'm all about spending that extra $20 for the metric that matters vs fat benchmarks. I can't fathom dropping 970 Pro money...just doesn't seem worth it. Is NVME in RAID0 worth it?
     
  19. wadec22

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    nvme raid absolutely not worth it. plenty of videos and articles out there on it. okay video on it here;

    best bang for buck nvme drive is fairly polarizing. :) I recommend checking out the user benchmarks on the link below and sorting by 4k Reads and scrolling down until you find a price you like and a brand you trust. Right now I really like the slickdeal on the XPG SX8200 Pro, as it truly trades blows with the Samsung 970 for a fraction of the price. Some will say the drive in this thread, although it is now in-store only.
    https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/
     
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  20. mnewxcv

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    What would be faster, reading and writing sequentially on a single nvme drive, reading from nvme writing to sata ssd, or reading from sata ssd writing to nvme?
     
  21. arnemetis

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    Well I just copied four 1gb files from my 970 evo nvme to itself, and it completed with an average rate of 532MB/sec per Teracopy.
    Copying them from the 970 evo nvme to my 850 evo sata drive, it completed with an average of 406MB/sec.
    Copying them from the 850 evo sata drive to the 970 evo nvme, it completed with an average of 422MB/sec.
    The 970 evo nvme has 15GB free of 465GB, the 850 evo has 373GB free of 930GB. Using the nvme as my boot drive.
     
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  22. Hawk Hardcase

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    This has been said repeatedly in this thread that this is NOT the SSD in the OP. The one that is good is the Inland Premium which is equipped with a Phison E12 controller running 12.2 firmware. Someone will probably ask this again, though so I'll just restate it here.

    I guess it's not a bad price for a 1 TB NVMe SSD in general, but the OP sells for $120, $19 cheaper for a faster SSD.

    Surprisingly, Amazon now carries the OP SSD but for a price of $199!

    https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Premium-M-2-2280-Internal/dp/B07RCM6DXK/

    Eff that noise, get it from MicroCenter for $80 cheaper.
     
  23. mnewxcv

    mnewxcv [H]ardness Supreme

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    thanks for the test! Was the NVME also your boot drive? edit: you literally said it was. My bad lol
     
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    Yes, it was the last thing I said lol
     
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  25. Prodeje79

    Prodeje79 Limp Gawd

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    Would my 960 Evo 512gb be better in any way?
     
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    Thanks!
    Cloned with Macrium Reflect and just installed! Great to have more space again!
    Wish I had two slots, I'll keep looking for a cheap z270 mobo. Removed Samsung magician for now. Is there something similar to run with this drive for updates etc?

    Here's my initial run
    IMG_20190503_200832.jpg
     
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  28. ChwyNiblet

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    Wow this thread is a shitshow, but thanks OP. I picked up two of these to replace my current SSD boot drive and 3tb WD Black as my everything else drive, man these things are insanely fast.
     
  29. SixFootDuo

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    Not really. Guys, especially younger guys are over zealous and over the top when it comes to performance numbers. you want to argue over ever single nano second, brand, marketing, you name it, it's fair game ... etc etc and I was the same way. None of it really matters but you don't figure that out until your late 30's, 40's and especially 50's.

    I'm smirking 99% of the time. Never mad or angry.

    At the end of the day, if these guys get named brand and spend $100 more ... it's really not that big of a difference. $100 is not going to kill these guys.

    If they want to get a 5 years warranty NVMe and spend an extra $20 or $30 or $50 for that ... even tho they know they will replace that particular drive when 4TB NVMe drives ship in 2020 for $150 ....it really doesn't matter.

    I'm only vocal because I'm trying to "kick the truth to the young tech youth."

    People have to learn to ease up, relax, not be so serious. Even I am learning this to this day. Sadly, it's really hard to tell that between peoples true attitude over the forums. If we were all on a webcam, things would be a lot easier
     
  30. ShogoXT

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    I think my PNY CS2211 1tb says it's 512 native. So I guess I can't transfer over...
     
  31. Zarathustra[H]

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    I'm not about to watch a Youtube video, but I am going to go ahead and guess the following:
    1.) Biggest improvement is in sequential transfers, but scaling is pretty bad.
    2.) Slight improvement in high queue depth random access operations, but scaling is even worse
    3.) The all important measures for desktop responsiveness (Latencies and QD=1 random access) actually get worse

    Did I get that about right?
     
  32. Jim Kim

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    It's a good video jampacked full of multiple benchmarks.
     
  33. Zarathustra[H]

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    Benchmarks don't belong in videos.

    A video is about the worst possible format for a technical review.

    I'll read it if they take the time to type an article, otherwise I'm not about to reward them with clicks and ad revenue.
     
  34. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

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    Lol. Print Screen copies your entire screenshot to the copy/paste buffer.

    Alt-print screen copies just the active window.

    Taking a picture of your screen with a camera is like something out of a dumb blonde joke.
     
  35. Prodeje79

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    Haha excellent, was hoping to trigger someone.
    :):):)
     
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  36. eclypse

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    Everyone just buy one or 2.. now close the thread.
     
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    Here are my results:

    upload_2019-5-6_16-17-53.png

    Ignore the label. That's my boot drive.
     
  38. CruisD64

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    Appears to be in store only now.
     
  39. QKSILVR73

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    Yeah wish I would have jumped on it when it came out. Settled with the 512gb from Amazon which suits my needs just fine.