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HTC One Watch Thread

Yeah I read that as well. I got the S4 over the One mainly because I like the look of the S4 better. But with that said I'm pretty sure the HTC is a better phone overall. But I also plan to run a launch like Apex on my S4 anyway so that should speed things up a bit :)
 
SilverSliver said:
Not really. The S4 reviews are saying TouchWiz and the new interface in general absolutely cripple the S4.
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Thank you. I couldn't post the link before because I was using feedly and it gave me a feedly short url.

http://gizmodo.com/5995291/samsung-galaxy-s4-review-better-not-best

But the software's worst offense? It makes the phone slow. Well, not slow, exactly, but much slower than it should be. The Galaxy S4 has a 1.9GHz Snapdragon 600 processor. The HTC One has the exact same processor, but it's only clocked to 1.7GHz. So the S4 should be faster, right? Wrong. Despite that fact that the S4 benchmarks better, the HTC One leaves the S4 in the dust in every practical way possible. The One boots up three times faster, navigates the UI quicker, scrolls smoother, opens apps speedier, and most importantly, takes photos with no shutter lag, whereas the Galaxy S4 generally takes about a second to fire off a shot.

Can you solve that by rooting your Galaxy S4? Probably. But we're reviewing the phone as it will be sold to you. And that phone has no excuse for being this laggy.

Sound on the S4 is another problem. It still has just one tiny, tin-can-sounding speaker on the bottom back of the phone. It's quiet enough that I often missed a call or text even when I was just one room away. This problem is exacerbated if you put the phone down screen up (as one usually does), especially on something soft like a couch. Here, again, the HTC One blows the S4 out of the water, with its dual, stereo, front-facing speakers which are both very clear and loud enough to give you a heart attack in the morning if you set your alarm too loud.

And while the camera on the S4 edges out the HTC One in bright daylight, the HTC One absolutely stomps the the S4 in low-light. Spot much of a difference in the photo above? The phrase "it's like night and day" has never been more apt. To be fair, you can manually flip it into Night Mode, which will have the same effect as cranking your ISO waaay up. In other words, you'll be able to see more, but it will be noisy as hell and lose a lot of detail in the fuzz, and it's just inconvenient to have to do that, anyway. In terms of design and build-quality, the One just feels like it's one or two tiers above the S4. There's simply an "Oooh!" factor that the S4 lacks, and all of Samsung's bells and whistles can't hide it.
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AndroidCentral said same thing:
The concoction of high-end silicon bubbling inside the Galaxy S4 results in fairly speedy performance in most tasks. We should note, however, that the HTC One seems just a little more responsive across the board, likely due to software tweaks on HTC’s part (or possibly some of the patents it licensed from Apple in late 2012.) A few examples of what we mean -- the home screen launcher on the S4 seemed more sensitive to background tasks, whereas the HTC One animated its home screen transitions flawlessly every time. Similarly, certain apps like the Samsung gallery app would take a second or so to load up, whereas just about every app loaded instantly on the HTC One. The S4’s suffered from infrequent jitteriness in some of its animations from time to time. Given the similarities in hardware between the two phones, it’s curious to see that HTC’s pulled ahead slightly in terms of perceived speediness.
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P.S. Anandtech review part 1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review (I guess they are missing the TouchWiz review)
 
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Still fiddling around with BlinkFeed, I'm actually surprised that BlinkFeed by default only updates on Wi-Fi. Good job HTC. Should have advertised that more.
 
HTC One on Sprint is pretty tempting to me right now. It's $100 for new customers and HTC has a promo and will give me $100 if I send them my HTC One V, which I have 4.1 but it's just not cutting it. The performance has been inconsistent, which is probably due to 512mb ram and the old 1ghz snapdragon. Still waiting to see if I snag a nice used phone given the S4 is out now :3 then I will try Ting out :3.
 
The 64GB developer edition can be flashed to better use T-Mobile. Apparently the AT&T, T-Mobile, and USA (only) developer editions use the same EXACT hardware, so you can flash the T-Mobile USA radio on the dev edition to AWS HSPA+ support. However, going by user testimonials, this is not a complete solution. There's something missing here as it's not giving full AWS HSPA+ support in areas where the user has confirmed that the coverage exists. Still, it's a starting point.

XDA instructions

HTC One Hardware variants

PLEASE NOTE: Do not flash a different carrier/vendor's radio on a handset that is not confirmed to use the same EXACT hardware (radio/amplifier/antenna).
 
Best phone I have ever owned. Camera is fast and great. UI is smooth. HTC TV is a lot of fun to use. Sound is great. Overall feel is excellent as well. Top it off the battery life with light to medium usage blows my previous phones away.
 
It is either I haven't used a phone without a case for a long time or the metal backing on the phone transfer heat better. The phone gets a little bit hot after like 8 minutes of use. Anyone else?
 
Medion said:
The 64GB developer edition can be flashed to better use T-Mobile. Apparently the AT&T, T-Mobile, and USA (only) developer editions use the same EXACT hardware, so you can flash the T-Mobile USA radio on the dev edition to AWS HSPA+ support. However, going by user testimonials, this is not a complete solution. There's something missing here as it's not giving full AWS HSPA+ support in areas where the user has confirmed that the coverage exists. Still, it's a starting point.

XDA instructions

HTC One Hardware variants

PLEASE NOTE: Do not flash a different carrier/vendor's radio on a handset that is not confirmed to use the same EXACT hardware (radio/amplifier/antenna).
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It still requires us to have S-OFF to prove whether this will work or not. I constant those forums under the name "ECEXCURSION" a.k.a "flick", from a bugs life.
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We really need an S-OFF developer version to take an T-Mobile USA RUU (not out yet) and see if it works. If it doesn't, we're going to have to dig deep into Q-fuses and whatnot. We might even have to bring back E.V.A. to help us with this puzzle.

This will be exciting!
 
CHANG3D said:
It is either I haven't used a phone without a case for a long time or the metal backing on the phone transfer heat better. The phone gets a little bit hot after like 8 minutes of use. Anyone else?
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My EVO got hot as heck without a case. With a basic TPU case, never noticed it. This is probably the same way. I have a clear TPU case on my One and it's great.
 
SilverSliver said:
My EVO got hot as heck without a case. With a basic TPU case, never noticed it. This is probably the same way. I have a clear TPU case on my One and it's great.
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man, this thing is too beautiful to cage up. I got myself a xtremeguard full body skin, should be here on Monday. Hopefully, applying it would be easy.

BTW, I had to turn on my Epic 4G Touch for Google authenticator. So I tested using it without a case on Wi-Fi. I think my One is fine. The e4gt gets hotter and gives off a plastic smell. There isn't any smell coming off my One yet.
 
CHANG3D said:
man, this thing is too beautiful to cage up. I got myself a xtremeguard full body skin, should be here on Monday. Hopefully, applying it would be easy.
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I agree it's too nice to cage up. I got a Cimo Grip Clear TPU case and it's very thin but still has enough material to protect it on a corner drop I think. The aluminum can dent pretty badly, apparently. Let me know what you think of the skin, though.
 
xDezor said:
It still requires us to have S-OFF to prove whether this will work or not. I constant those forums under the name "ECEXCURSION" a.k.a "flick", from a bugs life.
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We really need an S-OFF developer version to take an T-Mobile USA RUU (not out yet) and see if it works. If it doesn't, we're going to have to dig deep into Q-fuses and whatnot. We might even have to bring back E.V.A. to help us with this puzzle.

This will be exciting!
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It can be flashed just fine without S-OFF (it's been done, and it's in the instructions). Also, why the heck would you want the full T-Mobile RUU? The whole point of the unlocked/developer editions is so that you're NOT using a T-Mobile RUU, and thus, no T-Mobile bloatware. Also, the T-Mobile RUU might cause issues with the 64GB developer edition in the same way the 32GB pit files messed up 16GB Galaxy S2s. We'll see though.

Anyway, it's all pointless now. Even flashing the radio doesn't give access to AWS HSPA+ at this time. Maybe someone will find a way around it.
 
can the 32gb unlocked one be flashed to support TMo?
http://www8-shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41589

it's not listed as a "developer edition" but says "unlocked", and also this in bright RED.

"The unlocked version does not support the 1700 band so HSPA+ and LTE will not work on the T-Mobile network."

Medion said:
The 64GB developer edition can be flashed to better use T-Mobile. Apparently the AT&T, T-Mobile, and USA (only) developer editions use the same EXACT hardware, so you can flash the T-Mobile USA radio on the dev edition to AWS HSPA+ support. However, going by user testimonials, this is not a complete solution. There's something missing here as it's not giving full AWS HSPA+ support in areas where the user has confirmed that the coverage exists. Still, it's a starting point.

XDA instructions

HTC One Hardware variants

PLEASE NOTE: Do not flash a different carrier/vendor's radio on a handset that is not confirmed to use the same EXACT hardware (radio/amplifier/antenna).
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What a useless test:

the iphone 5 dropped completely on its side while the gs4 dropped on the corner.
energy dissipation from a corner source is at time ~30 times higher than an edge dissipation. (depends on the dimensions of the edge/corner).
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Come back with a scientific test.
 
ChronoReverse said:
What a useless test:



Come back with a scientific test.
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I've seen these tests done repeatedly. Like you said, it's all about how it falls, and no two falls are alike. I've watched anti-Samsung fanboys cite a droptest where the iPhone 4s outlasted the SGS3. I've seen anti-Apple fanboys cite a similar test between the same damn phones where the SGS3 won.

A fanboy will ALWAYS look for any examples where their brand of choice beats the other brand. They don't care about being objective, and that is why they carry no credibility.
 
Android Authority is one of those "fanboy" sites that actually prefers the S4 over the One... One of those very few... Remember when ItaliaFerrari tells everyone to ignore all other reviews and just read the one from android authority? Now they are fanboys for suggesting that the S4 is no better than the S3 in terms of durability. Evidently fanboys just read whatever they want to read...

thing about these tests it's that you need a lot of drops to see a general trend. There are enough S3 drop tests that shows it almost as bad as the iPhone 4. S4 doesn't look much different from the S3. This makes android authority's claim more credible.
 
CHANG3D said:
Android Authority is one of those "fanboy" sites that actually prefers the S4 over the One... One of those very few... Remember when ItaliaFerrari tells everyone to ignore all other reviews and just read the one from android authority? Now they are fanboys for suggesting that the S4 is no better than the S3 in terms of durability. Evidently fanboys just read whatever they want to read...

thing about these tests it's that you need a lot of drops to see a general trend. There are enough S3 drop tests that shows it almost as bad as the iPhone 4. S4 doesn't look much different from the S3. This makes android authority's claim more credible.
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that's why i feel drop tests are generally pointless and extremely unscientific.
 
blahblahyoutoo said:
that's why i feel drop tests are generally pointless and extremely unscientific.
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Hand the phones over to the guys at Mythbusters and let them come up with a repeatable test that can be tested on all phones. Hell, I'm sure anyone that passed a high school science class can come up with a test without overly expensive equipment.

Assuming the phones all land on a solid surface, what are the variables?

The average weight of the phones, the amount of kinetic energy at terminal velocity from various heights (which translates into the amount of instantaneous pressure the phone sustains at impact), and there are roughly 11 to 15 "most-likely" possibilities for how a phone can land on the ground from a free fall...

So from there we build a machine that simulates the impacts using an impact device launched at the phone from various angles while attached to a track or rail for guidance. Picture a crash-test performed on cars, but scaled down, and the wall moves at the phone instead of the other away around (the phone would need to move freely after impact to simulate the remainder of the fall)

The test is repeatable with controlled circumstances and can be performed on a multitude of phones, including future phones. Record the results with a high speed camera to show what happens and post results.

Who's up for building the machine? I just moved across the country and don't have anything to work with. I don't know if those little track-cars that raced side-by-side have sufficient weight on their own, but I'm sure if you strapped a weight to one, the machine would pretty much be built, albeit in an unrefined way...
 
Ideally you'd test to see what happens when dropped on the corners, sides and faces. But that's a lot of expensive phones.
 
RADRaze2KX said:
Hand the phones over to the guys at Mythbusters and let them come up with a repeatable test that can be tested on all phones. Hell, I'm sure anyone that passed a high school science class can come up with a test without overly expensive equipment.

Assuming the phones all land on a solid surface, what are the variables?

The average weight of the phones, the amount of kinetic energy at terminal velocity from various heights (which translates into the amount of instantaneous pressure the phone sustains at impact), and there are roughly 11 to 15 "most-likely" possibilities for how a phone can land on the ground from a free fall...

So from there we build a machine that simulates the impacts using an impact device launched at the phone from various angles while attached to a track or rail for guidance. Picture a crash-test performed on cars, but scaled down, and the wall moves at the phone instead of the other away around (the phone would need to move freely after impact to simulate the remainder of the fall)

The test is repeatable with controlled circumstances and can be performed on a multitude of phones, including future phones. Record the results with a high speed camera to show what happens and post results.

Who's up for building the machine? I just moved across the country and don't have anything to work with. I don't know if those little track-cars that raced side-by-side have sufficient weight on their own, but I'm sure if you strapped a weight to one, the machine would pretty much be built, albeit in an unrefined way...
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Damn that is a great idea. I hate these "drop" tests of a guy awkwardly holding a phone then just letting it fall. Why can't we have a machine that has the same grip of a hand that can move to different hights or even shift angles.
 
Trimlock said:
Damn that is a great idea. I hate these "drop" tests of a guy awkwardly holding a phone then just letting it fall. Why can't we have a machine that has the same grip of a hand that can move to different hights or even shift angles.
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Another test is to invent a way to drop a device multiple time and see the statistics on where it will most likely hit the ground... The way the HTC One is balanced is that unless you drop it face flat, most of the weight being in the back will lead to hitting aluminium rather than glass.
 
Has any HTC One variant been rooted yet, and custom ROM's available ?

I had the international One X , that thing still doesn't have S-Off yet :rolleyes: Installing ROM's and kernels major hassle, also need to have the correct HBOOT, and correct Radios, and flash it through Command Prompt and the Bootloader. Never again will I get a phone without S-Off. Even the ATT One X, took 10 months before they got S-Off.
 
Zorachus said:
Has any HTC One variant been rooted yet, and custom ROM's available ?

I had the international One X , that thing still doesn't have S-Off yet :rolleyes: Installing ROM's and kernels major hassle, also need to have the correct HBOOT, and correct Radios, and flash it through Command Prompt and the Bootloader. Never again will I get a phone without S-Off. Even the ATT One X, took 10 months before they got S-Off.
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Umm...yes. Since so far it's unlockable on every carrier (AT&T probably going to axe that though) so rooting is simple. You don't get S-ON but the bootloader is properly unlocked so you can flash the boot image through recovery. The only thing you can't do at this time is flash new radios I think.

http://koush.com/post/one-review

Koush's review there was the original review that made me want the One.
 
Vermillion said:
Umm...yes. Since so far it's unlockable on every carrier (AT&T probably going to axe that though) so rooting is simple. You don't get S-ON but the bootloader is properly unlocked so you can flash the boot image through recovery. The only thing you can't do at this time is flash new radios I think.

http://koush.com/post/one-review

Koush's review there was the original review that made me want the One.
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Thanks for the review :) I may pick one up, no pun intended :) Once CM10.2 based off Android 4.3 is available for it in Summer.

But most likely will wait for the Nexus-Five, due out in October.
 
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Has anyone dropped their phone yet? I have... My too left corner now has a small chip on the plastic; very very small. Aluminum is totally fine.
 
I really could care less about the material on the back or how it 'feels'. All this talk about 'premium feel and build quality' is absolute nonsense and its annoying how all these sites keep repeating it like a mantra.

The fact is polycarb is just as durable as any material, and 90% of people will end up using a case, or should if they care about their expensive device.

What I like about the One is the front speakers, faster camera, low light performance etc. What I hate is the absolutely useless giant HTC logo in the middle, smaller screen with bigger bezel and (most minor) no sd card.
 
CHANG3D said:
Another test is to invent a way to drop a device multiple time and see the statistics on where it will most likely hit the ground... The way the HTC One is balanced is that unless you drop it face flat, most of the weight being in the back will lead to hitting aluminium rather than glass.
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Any phone which falls far enough for weight distribution to affect its orientation will dissolve into a hail of shrapnel on impact regardless of how it lands. Even if it did fall that far, I have no doubt it would just tumble due to air turbulence.

At any potentially survivable drop height, landing orientation depends solely on how it's dropped.
 
MrCrispy said:
I really could care less about the material on the back or how it 'feels'. All this talk about 'premium feel and build quality' is absolute nonsense and its annoying how all these sites keep repeating it like a mantra.

The fact is polycarb is just as durable as any material, and 90% of people will end up using a case, or should if they care about their expensive device.

What I like about the One is the front speakers, faster camera, low light performance etc. What I hate is the absolutely useless giant HTC logo in the middle, smaller screen with bigger bezel and (most minor) no sd card.
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I wonder where you get the 90% from... I'm guessing it's closer to 40% for high-end smartphone users who use cases, and that's probably a way over-estimation.

And, yes, the logo is useless... and the volume buttons need to be on the left side. And since the power button is up top, HTC should have made the HTC center logo into a screen-on/home button. I also would like a dedicated camera button, but Zoe is actually helping me take (or select) the best pictures - so maybe I don't require a dedicate camera button. Heck, make a dedicate camera button also the the screen-on button. I'm now relearning how to hold a phone with my index finger up top.

I wonder what happened to HD radio. Sure, there's a FM radio in there (if you plug in your headphone/headset). But, if Microsoft can fit a HD radio in a very thin and small Zune (if you can remember that), I wonder why we aren't fitting in HD radios anymore. Oh, the FM radio comes from Qualcomm... Wonder why Samsung disabled it.
 
I admit I have no basis for 90% figure, so I'm probably wrong. Its just based on people I see around who have high end phones and use cases.

After owning many HTC phones, my GS3 was the 1st Samsung phone and I much prefer its ergonomics (like you say, power/volume location) as well as the layout - Samsung doesn't waste any space and has reduced the bezel in every gen. Honestly I'm looking forward to the next Motorola phone or Nexus 5. Both will run stock Android which is a plus as well.

In the real world, a lot of people base their decision simply based on which phone gets them the biggest discount. The One and S4 are competing even there on AT&T.
 
The One is fundamentally the best phone on the market right now, IMO. The only reason I'm not running to the store to buy one is the lack of a removable battery.

Many intelligent consumers don't require a brand-new toy every year to live. For these depressingly rare types, a removable battery is an absolute necessity.
 
I'm going to wait and see whether any custom ROMs use the HTC logo for anything - although it isn't a physical button, it might be possible to use it as a home button. There are already hacks out there to get it working as a custom button, after all
 
Sprint is now offering the black HTC One. Both black and silver are only offered as 32GB versions. No option for 64GB.
 
wabbitseason said:
Many intelligent consumers don't require a brand-new toy every year to live. For these depressingly rare types, a removable battery is an absolute necessity.
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My original iPad is 3 years old, battery is fine. My Evo 3D was nearly 2 years old and the battery was fine. As long as the battery can hold a good charge for 2-4 years, I don't see an issue at all. Considering I am getting 48+ hours on a charge, I think I will be fine.
 
It depends on your usage patterns as well how fast they degrade. After three years, you automatically lose about 30% which isn't really that bad but if you're a heavy user like me who regularly drains below 30% every day, the 300 full cycles a lithium ion battery is good for will be used up in little over a year.
 
SilverSliver said:
My original iPad is 3 years old, battery is fine. My Evo 3D was nearly 2 years old and the battery was fine. As long as the battery can hold a good charge for 2-4 years, I don't see an issue at all. Considering I am getting 48+ hours on a charge, I think I will be fine.
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I think you might be the only one on the planet to consider the Evo3D's battery fine. My friend's battery is so terrible that it won't last two hours on a charge. He has to leave it as his desk charging all day.
 
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