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HTC One (2014) Watch Thread

CHANG3D said:
The problem is why HTC didn't just put capacitive buttons on the logo bezel and use the logo as the home button. What a waste of space on screen and off!!!

I too also like my phones to be more compact. Compared to the Nexus 5, the new One is just too big now. I like my thumb to be able to reach the top opposite corner on the screen. The new One is just too large for me. And, yes, I've used it. I'm waiting on what the new One Mini have in store for me.

All that said, the audio ability of this phone almost makes me forget about all the annoyances.
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I know what you mean on the seeming waste. I'm guessing that HTC was reacting to criticisms that its capacitive buttons were harder to understand (I have to double-tap to do what now?). Since I use a Nexus 5 these days, losing a bit of screen real estate isn't as big a deal to me as it might be to others.
 
Aurelius said:
I know what you mean on the seeming waste. I'm guessing that HTC was reacting to criticisms that its capacitive buttons were harder to understand (I have to double-tap to do what now?). Since I use a Nexus 5 these days, losing a bit of screen real estate isn't as big a deal to me as it might be to others.
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I think with screens the size they are these days capacitive should be the majority.
 
I was just told that the screen is the primary reason behind the logo bezel. Most phone OEM's put the large bezel on top. A screen without a top/bottom bezel is too expensive.

Which gets me to wonder about the OnePlus One's. Most likely using it for capacitive buttons I guess.
 
If I had to guess, it'll be similar to the GS4 with the slim bottom bezel except with a built-in option to turn it off and use OSB's.

The GS4 is actually a better OSB phone than either the Nexus 5 or Nexus 4 because the bottom bezel is thinner. Disabling the hardware buttons is trivial too.
 
SilverSliver said:
I really wish I could keep my Sprint One M7 and move it to Tmobile or Ting. I love the original One, but HATE Sprint.

edit -- Just looked at Ting. Looks like after April 30th I can move my phone over. Fuck Sprint.
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what are you waiting for?

you can unlock it easily and it can work with any gsm carriers :)

don't know about data speed , but it works on 2G without any problem
 
anandtech alleges that the Sprint and TMo models are both missing Qualcomm's antenna matching tuner and Sprint also missing qualcomm's envelope power tracker, while AT&T is the only model with carrier aggregation, which is strange considering Sprint's model is also Spark capable. I don't know where Anand got that information from. The cellular band chart for Sprint is incorrect so maybe Anand made a few other mistakes. Where is Brian???

I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

P.S. Antenna matching tuner tries to eliminate the death grip effect, envelope tracker turns down LTE on standby to save more battery, sprint spark is all about radio aggregation... why I think Anand might be wrong on a couple of things.

update:
Sprint version of the upcoming GS5 will not support carrier aggregation most likely due to the size of the antennae. It will support wifi aggregation. However, all signs still point to the M8 having carrier aggregation due to all the hardware being already there.
 
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jkjambo said:
what are you waiting for?

you can unlock it easily and it can work with any gsm carriers :)

don't know about data speed , but it works on 2G without any problem
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I'm wanting to keep 4G so I will just wait a month.
 
IMO, this phone would be an easy slam dunk if the camera was an improvement over the M7's. I really wish they hadn't swapped OIS for a second camera that doesn't do a whole lot, and had gone with a 5 or 6 mp Ultrapixel camera instead. Or hell, they could have dropped the Ultrapixel format entirely, because other phones are competing just fine with smaller pixels and OIS.
 
Ozymandias said:
IMO... had gone with a 5 or 6 mp Ultrapixel camera instead. Or hell, they could have dropped the Ultrapixel format entirely, because other phones are competing just fine with smaller pixels and OIS.
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HTC's best bet for the next year's version IMHO is a 9MP 1.75um pixel camera from OmniVision (current source of the 4MP 2.0 um pixel sensors). Apple has an 8MP 1.4um pixel sensor in the 5S, and likely to keep using it for the 6. Samsung, Nokia, Sony, and LG are using 1.1um and 1.2um pixel sensors while giving us resolutions that no one actually wants. Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are the primary reason behind photo sharing. For cutting and cropping purposes, an 8MP may be the most efficient resolution.

P.S. No one uses Google+...
P.P.S. Flickr is awesome.
 
I have a new One to try for awhile. Quick initial thoughts:

- Hot damn, it's beautiful. You can tell from the photos, but there's still that little bit extra when you see it in person (I'm using a gunmetal grey model). As good-looking as an iPhone or better.

- The design is indeed a bit too tall, but not so tall that it should deter you. I'm not cursing that bottom bezel.

- I like my stock Android, but Sense is still my favourite heavily customized UI. Here, it's very cohesive and pretty.

- The motion gestures (double-tap to wake, swipe to unlock to X) are very handy.

I'll have to find a good excuse to test the camera soon, but that's probably going to be the only major gripe with the phone. Samsung and many other phone makers should be taking notes.
 
Speculation - HTC simply had no money to upgrade the camera.

Trust me, they know full well every review was going to pick on this, and people expect a better camera than last years. But HTC really has very little money, they spend a ton on design and materials R&D, on ads (although I doubt the RDJ ads did them much good), on software (Sense 6 has a lot of work put into it). I think they just ran out of resources and didn't have the money or time.

Its too bad when you consider Samsung essentially took the same phone, upgraded the internals, added a few more million lines of code of TW, and called it a day (exaggeration, bug fairly true).
 
In all honesty, if they had kept the M7 the same except with a 8MP ultrapixel combined with the SD801, I think I might have been tempted.
 
MrCrispy said:
Speculation - HTC simply had no money to upgrade the camera.

Trust me, they know full well every review was going to pick on this, and people expect a better camera than last years. But HTC really has very little money, they spend a ton on design and materials R&D, on ads (although I doubt the RDJ ads did them much good), on software (Sense 6 has a lot of work put into it). I think they just ran out of resources and didn't have the money or time.

Its too bad when you consider Samsung essentially took the same phone, upgraded the internals, added a few more million lines of code of TW, and called it a day (exaggeration, bug fairly true).
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The way you say this is weird. HTC does not run out of money they would have taken a loan if they needed. I think what you mean to say is the BOM was pushing the profit margin to close. And they would have been forced to increase the price point to $250 or $300. Not where they want to be as everyone else has their flagship at $200.
 
rudy said:
The way you say this is weird. HTC does not run out of money they would have taken a loan if they needed. I think what you mean to say is the BOM was pushing the profit margin to close. And they would have been forced to increase the price point to $250 or $300. Not where they want to be as everyone else has their flagship at $200.
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Its the same thing. The decision to go with a new camera module would have increased costs a lot, and also the BOM. They took a gamble on design vs specs. Just like with the M7.
 
Is the camera that bad? I mean everyone wants a bazillion pixels but my 10MP SLR takes better pictures than my other cameras with higher megapixels...

Just saw that verizon has the M8 in stock, thinking about upgrading from my Droid Razr Max (not droid Max). Do it or wait for samsung?
 
Justintoxicated said:
Is the camera that bad? I mean everyone wants a bazillion pixels but my 10MP SLR takes better pictures than my other cameras with higher megapixels...

Just saw that verizon has the M8 in stock, thinking about upgrading from my Droid Razr Max (not droid Max). Do it or wait for samsung?
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I never cared for the M7 camera, there are advantages to high mega pixel camera, the note 3 for instance is defaulted to 8mp stills and video, both are very good. The 13mp camera on it is for 4k recording and it does an amazing job, very pleased with the results so far.

I wish people would stop hating on mp count as if it was purely a marketing number.
 
Trimlock said:
I never cared for the M7 camera, there are advantages to high mega pixel camera, the note 3 for instance is defaulted to 8mp stills and video, both are very good. The 13mp camera on it is for 4k recording and it does an amazing job, very pleased with the results so far.

I wish people would stop hating on mp count as if it was purely a marketing number.
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Well it kind of is, unless your going to be blowing up images to giant sizes for printing, Or cropping the shit out of them. Like I said my DSLR is only 10 MP and will blow away any cellphone camera even though it is micro 4/3rds. Not saying that the note 3 has a bad camera just because it is high MP, just that MP isn't all that important to me on a phone as I will probably never print or enlarge a cellphone picture to poster sizes. Larger pixels will typical have less image noise in dark pictures, unless alot of image processing is done, but then that leaves the images soft.
 
Not saying that the HTC One is like the Mars Rover, the Mars Rover has a 2MP camera. And it takes way better pictures than your 4/8/13/16/20/41MP CMOS. In car you're curious, its pixel size is 7.4um. The camera produces images that is out of this world! Just kidding...
 
Justintoxicated said:
Well it kind of is, unless your going to be blowing up images to giant sizes for printing, Or cropping the shit out of them. Like I said my DSLR is only 10 MP and will blow away any cellphone camera even though it is micro 4/3rds. Not saying that the note 3 has a bad camera just because it is high MP, just that MP isn't all that important to me on a phone as I will probably never print or enlarge a cellphone picture to poster sizes. Larger pixels will typical have less image noise in dark pictures, unless alot of image processing is done, but then that leaves the images soft.
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Right, but the 13mp camera isn't just for stills, the default is 8mp, which doesn't need much cropping. The only thing the camera is missing is ois, which the lg g pro2 got.

I never thought the camera was shit on the One, but I do think someone mentioned it was the reason for the delays last year.
 
Trimlock said:
I never cared for the M7 camera, there are advantages to high mega pixel camera, the note 3 for instance is defaulted to 8mp stills and video, both are very good. The 13mp camera on it is for 4k recording and it does an amazing job, very pleased with the results so far.

I wish people would stop hating on mp count as if it was purely a marketing number.
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The issue, I think, is that the camera resolution on Samsung phones really has reflected a marketing-driven Bigger Numbers Are Always Better strategy. It chose 13 megapixels because it sounds better on the spec sheet than staying at 8 megapixels, not because it leads to higher-quality photos. The iPhone 5s' camera, for example, can run rings around the GS4/Note 3 in most any situation that doesn't involve a brightly-lit environment. Hopefully, the GS5's ISOCELL sensor and fast autofocus are signs that Samsung understands the importance of good-looking pictures.

HTC is an example of taking things too far in the other direction. Because it's concerned about maintaining that Ultrapixel badge, it's sacrificing genuinely useful resolution and hardware features (such as 4K video). I've taken a few photos so far, and it can be very good in the right circumstances, but yeah... 2015 had better include a higher-resolution camera, even if it's 'just' an 8-megapixel unit.
 
Aurelius said:
The issue, I think, is that the camera resolution on Samsung phones really has reflected a marketing-driven Bigger Numbers Are Always Better strategy. It chose 13 megapixels because it sounds better on the spec sheet than staying at 8 megapixels, not because it leads to higher-quality photos. The iPhone 5s' camera, for example, can run rings around the GS4/Note 3 in most any situation that doesn't involve a brightly-lit environment. Hopefully, the GS5's ISOCELL sensor and fast autofocus are signs that Samsung understands the importance of good-looking pictures.

HTC is an example of taking things too far in the other direction. Because it's concerned about maintaining that Ultrapixel badge, it's sacrificing genuinely useful resolution and hardware features (such as 4K video). I've taken a few photos so far, and it can be very good in the right circumstances, but yeah... 2015 had better include a higher-resolution camera, even if it's 'just' an 8-megapixel unit.
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I don't disagree with your rant, but Samsung chose the 13mp sensor for 4k recording because the S800 supported it. All other versions of the note 3 came with an 8mp camera.

To tell you the truth, I've been more than happy with just about ask the mobile cameras in the market. I don't care too much to nit pick absolute quality, but I do appreciate it when I have it. I think Samsung would be better to increase their sensor quality for sure.
 
Err... How is 4K videos from a cellphone genuinely useful when there are hardly any 4K displays and there's simply not enough embedded memory to make your 4K videos worthwhile? Remember, with Kit Kat, the sd card is just external memory that you would have to move things to.
 
Shutter lag, AF speed, post processing algorithms and software are far more important than raw camera hardware given how pretty much how all phones have a decent camera.

Most oem's put the camera in and either don't spend enough time tweaking the software of lack the expertise. Even Google is guilty, the N5 camera has gone thru multiple bug fixes, its still slow and I believe its due to software.

In fact this can be said for phones in general, hardware is more than fast enough and we need software innovations.
 
Yea, is pretty sad when a phone straight from google has terrible camera software.
 
CHANG3D said:
Err... How is 4K videos from a cellphone genuinely useful when there are hardly any 4K displays and there's simply not enough embedded memory to make your 4K videos worthwhile? Remember, with Kit Kat, the sd card is just external memory that you would have to move things to.
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The KitKat limitation is a fair point; I'm just thinking of futureproofing and knowing that the hardware is otherwise capable (between the Snapdragon 801 and the existence of fast microSDXC cards). It'll be a big deal if there's no 4K in a year or two, though.
 
I was really excited about this phone till I went to the store and had a look at it. Yes, it's nicely designed, but coming from a 4.56" high Lumia 800 this M8 is just too big with a height of 5.76", it feels like I am holding a tablet. It's way too tall to be useful to me. :(

If you are thinking about buying this phone make sure you aren't just ordering it online but that you go and actually hold it in person.

I left very disappointed.
 
Thuleman said:
I was really excited about this phone till I went to the store and had a look at it. Yes, it's nicely designed, but coming from a 4.56" high Lumia 800 this M8 is just too big with a height of 5.76", it feels like I am holding a tablet. It's way too tall to be useful to me. :(

If you are thinking about buying this phone make sure you aren't just ordering it online but that you go and actually hold it in person.

I left very disappointed.
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I played with one today too. I prefer the size of my M7. I wish they would have kept the same size but just improved the camera.
 
SilverSliver said:
I played with one today too. I prefer the size of my M7. I wish they would have kept the same size but just improved the camera.
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HTC is not a CMOS oem. HTC has to get them from from somewhere. Looking at the catalogues of three leading mobile CMOS oems, the best "ultrapixel" CMOS HTC could get is a 5MP 2.2um pixel CMOS. Is that enough resolution for you? There is also a 9MP 1.75um pixel CMOS. Which one would you prefer? (Maybe HTC would use one of these next year...)

HTC can't just make an 8MP 2.0um pixel CMOS from nowhere. HTC also does not have the buying power to demand an 8MP 2.0um pixel CMOS to be made.
 
I just upgraded to the new htc one. It's fast, looks great, and the gui is easy to use. So far I'm very happy with it. If I need a better camera I will use one of my dslrs.
 
Mushy buttons? Just went in to hold one before droppin' $700 on the gplay edition... Immediately was turned off by the volume rocker, then noticed all the buttons carried the same poor switches. Coming from a Samsung Galaxy it was a huge step down, then to make sure it wasn't the norm I tried an iphone nearby and they had a nicest of all, distinctive click.

I use my volume rocker excessively, maybe I would get used to it but its not what I was expecting for such an expensive phone.
 
Is the One M8 easy to flash ROM's ?

I have an upgrade available on ATT, looking at the One M8 or the S5. I like to flash stock ROM's that have been tweaked to remove bloatware, and add better battery life. Been using Android phones for years, had the first four Nexus phones ( N1, N-S, G Nex, N4 ), a couple of HTC ( EVO 4G and One X ), and a few Samsung Galaxy phones ( S2, Note 2, S4 ).

My last HTC was an international One X, and man did that phone piss me off flashing ROM's, had to go through all this fast boot crap, and command prompt stuff, and all these extra steps just to flash a new ROM or kernel, and then always had to make sure I was up to date on my bootloader update or something ? Bottom line it was a big pain in the balls, and frustrating.

My Nexus 4 was easy as pie to flash ROM's and stuff, but the battery life sucked. And I currently have the ATT S4, and this phone is locked down tight, no flashing custom ROM's or kernels on this, only root that's it. So I think I am done with Samsung on U.S. carriers for now.

So lets say I get the ATT One M8, I see it can be rooted pretty easily, and a custom Recovery installed ? What about flashing new ROM's ? Is it as simple as just rebooting the phone to Recovery, and wiping data, etc... then flash the ROM zip and reboot and all good ? Or do we have to go through the bootloader and command prompt stuff on this phone ?

Thank you :)
 
If it's anything like the M7 HTC One, then it should be very easy (easier than the Galaxy S4).
 
ChronoReverse said:
If it's anything like the M7 HTC One, then it should be very easy (easier than the Galaxy S4).
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Yep. Of all the phones I've used that were sold locked down at the request of carriers, HTC phones have been the easiest for me to unlock and rom. Consistently so.
 
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