Godmachine
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Doesn't mean anything really , just means the HP has an extended color range or wide color gamut. For most people it makes zero difference so don't worry about it honestly.
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72% NTSC vs 97% sRGB, no?I was looking at a NEC and Dell aside from this I noticed that the NEC and Dell are 72% sRGB and the HP is 97% sRGB wide gamut. What does this exactly mean and is the HP better because of this?
Doesn't mean anything really , just means the HP has an extended color range or wide color gamut. For most people it makes zero difference so don't worry about it honestly.
Thought I would add that I ordered 1 on Friday from Costcentral and my order has disappeared into the ether. It doesn't show up in their system on the website, they say the order doesn't exist. I would steer clear of them for now.
I was looking at a NEC and Dell aside from this I noticed that the NEC and Dell are 72% sRGB and the HP is 97% sRGB wide gamut. What does this exactly mean and is the HP better because of this?
It means you'll see more colors.
This is usually only useful if you're into photoshop or graphics design or photography (where you edit in photoshop) because you want to make sure what you edit is what you'll see in print...I'm in this category.
Is it worth the extra $25 plus taxes to buy directly from HP vs Cost Plus? Who is going to have a better exchange policy?
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION QUANTITY PRICE/EA TOTAL
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HP3000460 HP PROMO ZR24W-LCD MONITOR 1 432.07 432.07
MFG Part#: VM633A8#ABA
Note: ETA 2-3 WEEKS
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Subtotal 432.07
OES ECO FEES + 12.03
Shipping Via PUROLATOR GRND + 7.00
G.S.T. + 22.56
P.S.T. + 36.08
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GRAND Total 509.74
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Mine's arriving today! I'll post my thoughts because I lack the technical prowess to write a review. Someone earlier mentioned that input lag from IPS is from long ago and that recent technology (h2-ips?) has compensated for this. It's rated at 5ms...only 3ms shy of the 25.5" ASUS. What gives? Wiki says the same thing, but also states that these were more symptoms of old technology.
No.
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Dell and NEC are 72% of NTSC. ~= Standard sRGB.
The HP is 97% of sRGB. ~= Standard sRGB.
These are NOT WIDE GAMUT , they are all aimed at being normal gamut monitor which will give natural looking colors in all your applications. Which is a DAMN GOOD THING for 99% of us.
No.
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Dell and NEC are 72% of NTSC. ~= Standard sRGB.
The HP is 97% of sRGB. ~= Standard sRGB.
These are NOT WIDE GAMUT , they are all aimed at being normal gamut monitor which will give natural looking colors in all your applications. Which is a DAMN GOOD THING for 99% of us.
The response rate of 5ms is relative to the pixels' responsiveness to change, whereas input lag is more about the speed that the video signal takes to even get to the pixels. (I am a monitor noob, but this is my lay person's understanding of this difference.)
Regarding compensating for input lag, I also read that it can be reduced by turning vsync off within an application. Does this make sense?
Decivox - HP sells them for $425 with a return guarantee and got mine here in two days - with free shipping IF YOU CALL.
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/Mi...=2953&BaseId=32987&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=
(They still have the wrong spec sheet there - I think it is the spec sheet for the ZR22w.)
Oh yeah, you may have to give them a business name - I just gave them my name and added the word "Consulting" at the end. No problem with that.
Unfortunately, I don't think that's possible, but you can always play around with this pixel pitch calculator. The screens will only be perfectly aligned if you find a resolution that results in exactly the same pixel pitch on all three monitors. Since your Samsung monitors have a pixel pitch of 0.2553 and your HP monitor a pixel pitch of 0.2692, the middle screen, your HP monitor, will always be slightly bigger or magnified, despite all three monitors having the same resolution.Is there a way to get the horizontal lines aligned better, or is this just the way it is when two of the monitors are 20" and the middle one is 24"? The overall resolution is 4800x1200, or 3x1600 by 1200.
In other words, is there a way to have the middle monitor display the same size as the Samsung, at least horizontally? It can do that vertically via the option "Fill to Aspect Ratio", but I want the black bars running horizontally, not vertically. I didn't see anything in Catalyst relative to this, but then again, I am a noob.
Thanks!
That's true for total system input lag, but it will not decrease monitor input lag. Total system input lag can further be decreased by increasing the mouse polling rate by the way; that is, if your mouse is USB connected. The polling rate is normally 125Hz and some programs can increase that to 1000Hz. That results in more CPU utilization, but at the same time, it will decrease input lag somewhat.Regarding compensating for input lag, I also read that it can be reduced by turning vsync off within an application. Does this make sense?
Just to clarify, since your response could lead to further confusion - The U2410 is not 72% of NTSC. The U2410 is rated by Dell themselves as 102% NTSC in its native wide gamut mode.No.
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Dell and NEC are 72% of NTSC. ~= Standard sRGB.
Sorry about my assuming you were in the US. Kind of silly of me.Yea for the American site... the screen isnt even listed on the Canadian store yet.
Thanks for the answer - at least now I know. So the real resolution is to get two more of these 24" monitors over the coming months. The current set up is not bad for gaming because your eye is mainly on the center screen - e.g., on Dirt 2 I have to be very focused on the center screen, and the side screens just let me see what is going on peripherally and adds some real depth and immersion, though not as well as I would like ultimately.[X]eltic;1035521014 said:Unfortunately, I don't think that's possible, but you can always play around with this pixel pitch calculator. The screens will only be perfectly aligned if you find a resolution that results in exactly the same pixel pitch on all three monitors. Since your Samsung monitors have a pixel pitch of 0.2553 and your HP monitor a pixel pitch of 0.2692, the middle screen, your HP monitor, will always be slightly bigger or magnified, despite all three monitors having the same resolution.
I see. I am using a steering wheel, so I will check this option out for that too.[X]eltic;1035521014 said:That's true for total system input lag, but it will not decrease monitor input lag. Total system input lag can further be decreased by increasing the mouse polling rate by the way; that is, if your mouse is USB connected. The polling rate is normally 125Hz and some programs can increase that to 1000Hz. That results in more CPU utilization, but at the same time, it will decrease input lag somewhat.
What tends to slow IPS panels down is they often come with more image processing options, and these often increase the input lag unless a through mode is provided to bypass this. Although the through mode on something like the U2711 seems to make very little difference for whatever reason, the through mode (aka game mode) does tend to nudge the U2410 below an average of 1 frame of lag, which is fairly usable for gaming. So there's no huge reason IPS panels can't be pretty close to TN panels in terms of input lag.It means you'll see more colors.
This is usually only useful if you're into photoshop or graphics design or photography (where you edit in photoshop) because you want to make sure what you edit is what you'll see in print...I'm in this category.
For hardcore gamers, it's generally not useful because IPS monitors usually have display lag so when you play a game, what you see is a few millisec after the computer has rendered it.
Dell and NEC are 72% of NTSC. ~= Standard sRGB.
The HP is 97% of sRGB. ~= Standard sRGB.
These are NOT WIDE GAMUT , they are all aimed at being normal gamut monitor which will give natural looking colors in all your applications. Which is a DAMN GOOD THING for 99% of us.
Wait a sec...the Dell U2410 are 72% of sRGB? How can it be wide gamut then?
And for photoshop/graphics applications, wouldn't you want it to be slightly over 100% sRGB coverage to make sure you can cover all of it? Meaning the Dell U2410 should be better?
I couldn't find the 97% number for the ZR24w...looked at the HP web site's specs and the manual...
Wait a sec...the Dell U2410 are 72% of sRGB? How can it be wide gamut then?
And for photoshop/graphics applications, wouldn't you want it to be slightly over 100% sRGB coverage to make sure you can cover all of it? Meaning the Dell U2410 should be better?
I couldn't find the 97% number for the ZR24w...looked at the HP web site's specs and the manual...
Had I known all this personally I'd have avoided wide gamut screens until 10 bit panels were common place and make all of this stuff more of a non-issue.
Wait a sec...the Dell U2410 are 72% of sRGB? How can it be wide gamut then?
And for photoshop/graphics applications, wouldn't you want it to be slightly over 100% sRGB coverage to make sure you can cover all of it? Meaning the Dell U2410 should be better?
I couldn't find the 97% number for the ZR24w...looked at the HP web site's specs and the manual...
I was looking at a NEC and Dell aside from this I noticed that the NEC and Dell are 72% sRGB and the HP is 97% sRGB wide gamut. What does this exactly mean and is the HP better because of this?
Wow. That is enough reason for me to order any future ones from HP again.Cost Central policy is DOA only. You open it and it turns on, it's yours.
I never said anything about the U2410
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Yes the U2410 is wide gamut, but neither I nor the originator of this chain mentioned the U2410. It could be the Dell 2209 and NEC EA231, both of which are standard gamut.