Hot: HP 6700k + 970 $875

Runt.

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If you don't build your own system then yes, but I think you can buy the CPU/GPU/RAM parts off NE for the same price and get a better system overall. Although if you do build systems for others and/or resell then I guess its worth it.
 

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That is a surprisingly not-terrible deal coming from a major OEM. What is HP using for PSUs now? 500W is plenty for that configuration, but some of their historical choices have suffered from short life spans due to low quality.
 

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Only reason this is good deal is because finally a decent gaming PC prices up nicely with what about what it would cost you to build it yourself.

I think the true value lies in how much you are getting the CPU and GPU for. So about $600 for those two parts. Questions is do you think the extra $350 is worth spending for a lackluster case, unknown motherboard and low quality PSU. The upside is you get a OS and ram but I think if you could spend $400 and get better parts and all with better warranties.

That said. If it had a 980 in it I would have been all over it.
 

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That case's airflow scares me. Doesn't look like there is much ventilation and is that a single 80mm fan in the back? Probably sounds like a wind tunnel when gaming.

If you need a gaming rig though and didn't want to build it yourself this is a cheap option...but yeah I'd personally be willing to pay more for a quieter, better case with more control over the PSU and other options.

Also my full ATX mobo days are over...;)
 

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It's more like $650 for the 6700K + GTX 970 no? So the rest of the build (case, OS, RAM, PSU, HSF, and 2TB HDD) runs you $225... You are NOT gonna do better than that DIY. The DDR4, HDD, and OS alone are worth the $225; so if you want all those things and can live with a PSU/mobo that are an unknown quantity this might be worth it.

Just saying, even with a case and/or mobo swap it comes in ahead of DIY prices. I do wonder how they arrived at 12GB tho, hopefully it's 4+4+2+2 and not some other config that leaves you with single channel bandwidth, could easily see them doing that tho. In truth, larger DIMMs would probably be more useful in the long run.
 

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It's more like $650 for the 6700K + GTX 970 no? So the rest of the build (case, OS, RAM, PSU, HSF, and 2TB HDD) runs you $225... You are NOT gonna do better than that DIY. The DDR4, HDD, and OS alone are worth the $225; so if you want all those things and can live with a PSU/mobo that are an unknown quantity this might be worth it.

Just saying, even with a case and/or mobo swap it comes in ahead of DIY prices. I do wonder how they arrived at 12GB tho, hopefully it's 4+4+2+2 and not some other config that leaves you with single channel bandwidth, could easily see them doing that tho. In truth, larger DIMMs would probably be more useful in the long run.

I think most people will have to pay tax so the difference for the other parts is still closer to $300.
 

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That case's airflow scares me. Doesn't look like there is much ventilation and is that a single 80mm fan in the back? Probably sounds like a wind tunnel when gaming.

If you need a gaming rig though and didn't want to build it yourself this is a cheap option...but yeah I'd personally be willing to pay more for a quieter, better case with more control over the PSU and other options.

Also my full ATX mobo days are over...;)

Long live ATX mobos :)
 

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I think most people will have to pay tax so the difference for the other parts is still closer to $300.

$300 for those parts is still a deal...he forgot to put in motherboard in his $225 comment. That alone is around $90-100+ for a Z150/Z170 board.
 

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$300 for those parts is still a deal...he forgot to put in motherboard in his $225 comment. That alone is around $90-100+ for a Z150/Z170 board.

I didn't, or if you're gonna interpret it like that then I forgot the PSU as well... I was suggesting that even just *some* of extra parts are worth more than the $225-$300 difference.

12GB DDR4 and the OS are worth $200-ish, $40 for the HDD...

You can easily just scavenge the thing and not use the mobo if you don't like it, or the PSU (possibly not both tho), and still come out slightly ahead. You'd really have to be in the market for all the core stuff tho.

Given the 6700K shortages tho, there might be some out there that just view it as one big combo discount. :p
 

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It's more like $650 for the 6700K + GTX 970 no? So the rest of the build (case, OS, RAM, PSU, HSF, and 2TB HDD) runs you $225... You are NOT gonna do better than that DIY. The DDR4, HDD, and OS alone are worth the $225; so if you want all those things and can live with a PSU/mobo that are an unknown quantity this might be worth it.

Just saying, even with a case and/or mobo swap it comes in ahead of DIY prices. I do wonder how they arrived at 12GB tho, hopefully it's 4+4+2+2 and not some other config that leaves you with single channel bandwidth, could easily see them doing that tho. In truth, larger DIMMs would probably be more useful in the long run.

Given the diminutive form-factor, I was figuring they are using a tweaked board design with only two RAM slots, so a single 8 and a single 4 would give you 12GB. This lets them get rid of some 4GB sticks or charge a bit more to go full on 16GB.
 

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My system sometimes feels like it's on its last legs. I've got three young kids and so would not mind suffering the indignity of buying a pre-built system.

Seems like just what I'm looking for... well, other than the fact that I'd rather the PSU be 600W+, an SSD be included, and a 980 GTX Ti.

You guys think a 500W can run a 980?

For what it is, however, this is a smoking deal and I am really tempted.
 

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True, I'm guessing that does disable dual channel?

I would, although, I've seen plenty of mATX boards with 4 DIMM slots, so I would guess with 12GB it has 4 slots. Either way, a strange memory config.
 

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Probably not since you have to do a whole platform upgrade for marginal performance updates.

well I am looking to get a prebuilt for a friend ,I can get a 4790 system for $600, or this for $850. This has a better gpu and DDR4, but other than that....
 

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well I am looking to get a prebuilt for a friend ,I can get a 4790 system for $600, or this for $850. This has a better gpu and DDR4, but other than that....

Depends on what GPU is in the other system. I mean a 970 is pretty high end for the average person, and a new one still goes for over $300 if you were going to upgrade yourself.
 

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Depends on what GPU is in the other system. I mean a 970 is pretty high end for the average person, and a new one still goes for over $300 if you were going to upgrade yourself.

it seems you can config the system with a lesser graphics card. as long as it gets over $1100 the discount code still works. I selected a 960gtx, 256gb ssd, and 1tb storage drive rather than the 2tb main drive and 970gtx to price check. comes out to $846. It seems to have onboard video(since there is an option for no dedicated card), so even at $846, I could sell the 960gtx for about $150 and have a solid machine for $700.

edit: scratch that, the base card is dedicated.
 

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Given the diminutive form-factor, I was figuring they are using a tweaked board design with only two RAM slots, so a single 8 and a single 4 would give you 12GB. This lets them get rid of some 4GB sticks or charge a bit more to go full on 16GB.

That is correct. It is config'ed with 1x8GB and 1x4GB.
 

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That is correct. It is config'ed with 1x8GB and 1x4GB.

That's just stupid on their part (and the consumer I guess for not doing any research). You spend $900 on a new computer and don't even get dual channel memory...something that has been around since the old Nforce2 chipset and the Athlon XP's.
 

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Personally I would swap the 12GB of retarded single channel ram for 16GB (8GBx2) and the 2TB HDD for a 256GB SSD and with the 970 and the 500W PSU (which is a $30 "upgrade" over the base 300W PoS) the total is only $910...Well worth the extra $35 to get 4GB of extra ram+dual channel support and an SSD vs a HDD...

For anyone considering this, keep in mind the ship date isn't until Oct 5th as of this post..Looks like HP might be having some supply issues with SkyLake?
 

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Personally I would swap the 12GB of retarded single channel ram for 16GB (8GBx2) and the 2TB HDD for a 256GB SSD and with the 970 and the 500W PSU (which is a $30 "upgrade" over the base 300W PoS) the total is only $910...Well worth the extra $35 to get 4GB of extra ram+dual channel support and an SSD vs a HDD...

For anyone considering this, keep in mind the ship date isn't until Oct 5th as of this post..Looks like HP might be having some supply issues with SkyLake?

id disagree. its $50 more to get 4gb more of ram. Better off ordering with the 12gb, then ordering a stick of 4gb and a stick of 8gb from newegg. That works out to about $75 for an additional 12gb, netting you 24gb, and gets you the dual channel. JMHO
 

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Personally I would swap the 12GB of retarded single channel ram for 16GB (8GBx2) and the 2TB HDD for a 256GB SSD and with the 970 and the 500W PSU (which is a $30 "upgrade" over the base 300W PoS) the total is only $910...Well worth the extra $35 to get 4GB of extra ram+dual channel support and an SSD vs a HDD...

For anyone considering this, keep in mind the ship date isn't until Oct 5th as of this post..Looks like HP might be having some supply issues with SkyLake?

I almost put in this exact same order the other day. Except there was like a $65 upgrade price for 2TB to the 256 GB SSD that you didn't meniton.
 

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That's just stupid on their part (and the consumer I guess for not doing any research). You spend $900 on a new computer and don't even get dual channel memory...something that has been around since the old Nforce2 chipset and the Athlon XP's.

Is Flex-Mode still a thing? I thought you got the equivalent of double the smaller capacity stick at effectively dual-channel speeds, with the remaining larger capacity stick at single-channel speeds, giving you faster than single-channel performance overall. It happened somewhere back in the DDR2 days I thought.

This is what I'm referencing: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-011965.htm#dual There's a section at the bottom for flex-mode that states:
Flex mode
This mode results in both dual and single-channel operation across the whole of DRAM memory. The figure shows a flex mode configuration using two DIMMs. The operation is as follows:

The 2 GB DIMM in slot 1 and the lower 2 GB of the DIMM in slot 2 operate together in dual-channel mode.
The remaining (upper) 2 GB of the DIMM in slot 2 operates in single-channel mode.
 
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