Riccochet
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Well shit, I totally misread that graph set before . Guess my 4k monitor wasn't at fault after all... which sucks, because I already sent it back for a refund and had gotten a killer deal on it originally.
Maxwell 2.0 chips are basically the 2600K of GPU's . In general I agree though.
Me too, now.
Yeah... I'm going to have to see what comes up later in the year, I guess at this point. I don't want to sell these cards on ebay given their brand spanking new 180-day return policy implemented through paypal... and I can't replicate that deal I had on the 4k monitor anyway ($675 for the 32" Acer B326HK).
Wrong:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-GTX-970-Grafikkarte-259503/Specials/zu-wenig-VRAM-1149056/
Please do your research first... articles already are coming out showing there's no extra adverse impact due to the segmentation. And before that, we had no proof one way or the other, so stating that as fact is mind-boggling.
Oh, and just to mention, GTX 970 perf in 4k is beautiful :
I ended up shipping my monitor back at this point but I will probably go 4K again once a gsync IPS model launches . With 60hz I definitely want no input lag or tearing.
You mean like 290X review samples that are faster than retail cards?
http://techreport.com/news/25609/up...9-290x-cards-may-be-slower-than-press-samples
I guess you should just switch to Intel graphics on principle.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...68595-gtx-970s-memory-explained-tested-2.html
They haven't posted the actual FCAT charts yet.
The problem is at that res the GPU grunt is the bigger factor than the Vram bandwidth which still affects it to some extent.
What needs to be done textures need to be used to fill up the Vram and not GPU intensive things like resolution and other GPU intensive settings.
Yo.
So.
Mostly I just lurk in these parts but some of the modders might recognize me from PMs and the like. Besides being a lurker on the forums, I'm actually the NVIDIA GeForce social media guy. I work for NVIDIA out here in Santa Clara, CA.
I know there's a lot of dialogue about is or isn't the 970 perf a problem, what's the impact, what's the next step, does 970 suck now? Let me just jump in and say that while our communication as a company has clearly been problematic the 970 is just as amazing today as it was at launch if not better.
But I get it. I understand why GTX 970 owners are upset and why NVIDIA fans are disappointed.
We posted stats. We didn't properly explain the memory architecture. We messed up. We never intended to deceive anyone but despite our best intentions mistakes were made and many of you got information that you thought you could trust and then made decisions based on that info.
We screwed up.
But it's not that simple for me. I really think the 970 is an awesome card. I STILL think it's an awesome card and as a rational human being I have to realize that it wouldn't get the praise it has if it weren't every bit as incredible as I like to think it is.
But, with that said, others might feel different. You might feel deceived and maybe you don't want to trust me/us/nvidia. Maybe you just want to know what your options are...
So, here's the thing. If anyone doesn't want their GTX 970 now, knowing what they now know, you should know you have the option to return it. You should do what will give you the best gaming experience possible and if you need help to get that done let me know.
I think most will find they still love their GTX 970 as much now as they did when they purchased itbut for those that need to take another route, you have the option.
If needed, I'll help. Just let me know.
I just saw your post over on Reddit. In all seriousness though, for those of us that are months outside of our return window (4 months in my case), what do you think NVIDIA will do? I purchased my 970 SLI (ASUS is the vendor) setup back in October thinking it should last me a long time. Had I known the real specs of the card, I would have opted for a single 980 instead. I know I'm not the only one in this situation.
Yo.
So.
Mostly I just lurk in these parts but some of the modders might recognize me from PMs and the like. Besides being a lurker on the forums, I'm actually the NVIDIA GeForce social media guy. I work for NVIDIA out here in Santa Clara, CA.
I know there's a lot of dialogue about is or isn't the 970 perf a problem, what's the impact, what's the next step, does 970 suck now? Let me just jump in and say that while our communication as a company has clearly been problematic the 970 is just as amazing today as it was at launch if not better.
But I get it. I understand why GTX 970 owners are upset and why NVIDIA fans are disappointed.
We posted stats. We didn't properly explain the memory architecture. We messed up. We never intended to deceive anyone but despite our best intentions mistakes were made and many of you got information that you thought you could trust and then made decisions based on that info.
We screwed up.
But it's not that simple for me. I really think the 970 is an awesome card. I STILL think it's an awesome card and as a rational human being I have to realize that it wouldn't get the praise it has if it weren't every bit as incredible as I like to think it is.
But, with that said, others might feel different. You might feel deceived and maybe you don't want to trust me/us/nvidia. Maybe you just want to know what your options are...
So, here's the thing. If anyone doesn't want their GTX 970 now, knowing what they now know, you should know you have the option to return it. You should do what will give you the best gaming experience possible and if you need help to get that done let me know.
I think most will find they still love their GTX 970 as much now as they did when they purchased itbut for those that need to take another route, you have the option.
If needed, I'll help. Just let me know.
I might have waited a little longer or picked the 980.
Yo.
So.
Mostly I just lurk in these parts but some of the modders might recognize me from PMs and the like. Besides being a lurker on the forums, I'm actually the NVIDIA GeForce social media guy. I work for NVIDIA out here in Santa Clara, CA.
I know there's a lot of dialogue about is or isn't the 970 perf a problem, what's the impact, what's the next step, does 970 suck now? Let me just jump in and say that while our communication as a company has clearly been problematic the 970 is just as amazing today as it was at launch if not better.
But I get it. I understand why GTX 970 owners are upset and why NVIDIA fans are disappointed.
We posted stats. We didn't properly explain the memory architecture. We messed up. We never intended to deceive anyone but despite our best intentions mistakes were made and many of you got information that you thought you could trust and then made decisions based on that info.
We screwed up.
But it's not that simple for me. I really think the 970 is an awesome card. I STILL think it's an awesome card and as a rational human being I have to realize that it wouldn't get the praise it has if it weren't every bit as incredible as I like to think it is.
But, with that said, others might feel different. You might feel deceived and maybe you don't want to trust me/us/nvidia. Maybe you just want to know what your options are...
So, here's the thing. If anyone doesn't want their GTX 970 now, knowing what they now know, you should know you have the option to return it. You should do what will give you the best gaming experience possible and if you need help to get that done let me know.
I think most will find they still love their GTX 970 as much now as they did when they purchased itbut for those that need to take another route, you have the option.
If needed, I'll help. Just let me know.
I pay the extra "green" tax because I have had fairly good luck (or say, better luck) with NVidia cards vs AMD cards...
I purchased my card from Best Buy and am way outside my 15 day return window, they have told me I need to take it up with NVidia and they will not help me further... (it's an NVidia branded card, so I think NVidia is the manufacturer?)
I don't blame Nvidia as much as I blame the manufacturers of these cards. Most of these have custom PCB's and should have gone through their own levels of testing prior to being released. You'd THINK, hehe, you'd think they would have noticed something and was up and put that information on the box of product they were selling. But, nope.
Nvidia were the ones that talked to reviewers months ago.
Nvidia were the ones that told the Manufacturers the specs.
Nvidia were the ones that lied.
How you can not blame Nvidia is beyond me, its incredible.
Nvidia didn't build the cards. Nvidia didn't factory overclock the cards and make custom PCB's. Nvidia didn't put those specs on MSI, EVGA, ASUS's websites. Nvidia didn't do the testing on these custom cards. MANUFACTURERS DID. Has one review been done on an Nvidia branded card manufactured by Nvidia? You think these companies don't do their own testing? Just slap some components on a PCB, rubber stamp the packaging with what Nvidia provides them and ships the shit out? EVGA, MSI, ASUS knew about this issue much longer than 4 months ago. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
My little blurb up top is just something manufacturers, like ASUS and MSI, have been doing for years. Slapping some extra VRAM on a card that they KNOW the card can't utilize due to bus or GPU limitations and marketing as a better card and charging more for it. Yet, no hell's fury about any of that. I wonder why none of the blame is being placed on ASUS and MSI here. What about EVGA, Gigabyte, Zotac, PNY? You're telling me none of these manufacturers did any fucking testing of these cards they are selling with wrong information in their descriptions? It's a massive conspiracy to screw over the buying public?
smh ..... smh
at this point its rather absurd
there is a sole nvdia guy over there at geforce forums (PeterS) who offered to help people with their refunds and hes flooded by now
How the company handles this its rather very unprofessional
Couldn't we just merge the two threads? http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1849707 and http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1849838
You guys forget something: sometimes it's the PRINCIPLE that matters. You let this one slip, next time who knows what nVidia will pull.
This isn't Nvidia's first time in the negative spotlight. Over the years, they've perfected their "keep quiet and it will all go away" strategy.
This isn't Nvidia's first time in the negative spotlight. Over the years, they've perfected their "keep quiet and it will all go away" strategy.
Nvidia didn't build the cards. Nvidia didn't factory overclock the cards and make custom PCB's. Nvidia didn't put those specs on MSI, EVGA, ASUS's websites. Nvidia didn't do the testing on these custom cards. MANUFACTURERS DID. Has one review been done on an Nvidia branded card manufactured by Nvidia? You think these companies don't do their own testing? Just slap some components on a PCB, rubber stamp the packaging with what Nvidia provides them and ships the shit out? EVGA, MSI, ASUS knew about this issue much longer than 4 months ago. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
What does any of that have to do with the 970 issue we're discussing? It's the GPU that is the problem here, not the PCB it was installed on. Nvidia is the one that built the 970 GPU and published its supposed specs, not any of their AIB's.
I just saw your post over on Reddit. In all seriousness though, for those of us that are months outside of our return window (4 months in my case), what do you think NVIDIA will do? I purchased my 970 SLI (ASUS is the vendor) setup back in October thinking it should last me a long time. Had I known the real specs of the card, I would have opted for a single 980 instead. I know I'm not the only one in this situation.
You are not maxing your 3.5 GB vram.
Yup. Sucks to feel like you have no options. I can help.
If a return/exchange is the route you need to take then contact the retailer first, card maker second. I know I'm asking you to do some legwork but asking is the first step and we'll get you taken care of at the end. If they will not exchange/return then hit me up in a PM with the following:
Site purchased from
Order #
Products
First and Last Name
email address
Some users are already getting positive responses for returns long past the retailer window (though yours might be the furthest back I've encountered so far).
I tried PMing you, but nothing is appearing in my sent folder. If you happen to see this, would you mind PMing me?