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GPU prices — is the worst behind us ?
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Shit runs on fusion. Relax, it’s coming soon!
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How long they gonna milk the 6000 series 
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Until they run out of stock is my guessHow long they gonna milk the 6000 series
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Will they be running "sales" on them when they've fallen off the bottom of charts 
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Are they still even making RX 6000 series or is this just old stock that's been sitting on shelves?
has to be the latter, I'm not sure TSMC is even making 7nm chips any longer. They're almost 4 years old.
They stopped making the RX 6000 series months before the 7000 even started shipping.
AMD's AIB partners flooded the market capitalizing on the Mining, then it burst.
I am told that some AIB's had nearly a 100% overstock on RX 6000 series cards in the days leading up to the 7000 launch, meaning they had as many unsold 6000 series cards on hand when the 7000 series was shipping as they typically would sell over a given products lifetime.
And since those AIB's were selling directly to the miners and not telling AMD or Nvidia about it just classifying it as "gaming sales" when they all got refurbished and dumped on the second hand market it caused huge problems for both.
Nvidia had somewhat insulated themselves from it (Nvidia learned the hard way from Gigabyte and the 1060 mining crash prior), and the high prices their hardware took on drove many miners to AMD instead, but AMD was blindsided when the bubble popped, and it severely hurt 7000 series adoption.
So AMD made far fewer 7000 series cards and was essentially strong armed by the AIB's to mark them higher so they could offload the 6000 series cards.
In many cases for AMD and Nvidia it is a classic case of "with friends like these, who needs enemies", and it's why Nvidia keeps a firm grasp on them, and works around them as much as with them.
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Nvidia stopped production on the Lovelace GPU’s many months ago, they also stopped shipping new silicon to the AIB’s a while ago. The cards on the shelves are more or less the cards that exist.
Nvidia works their inventory management very hard and it’s what has kept them from having to compete with their old cards more than not by doing their best to ensure that their old cards are in short supply when the new ones come around.
Normal operating procedure on Nvidia gpus. They always attempt to run supply channel dry. They didn’t do great with 3000 series , pandemic + crypto made things pretty unpredictable.
Overstock situation in China
According to Boardchannels, via Chiphell, the RTX 50 series GPUs have been stocked way above the ideal levels. This happened mainly because of low sales and continuous supply.
https://www-chiphell-com.translate....html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB
Via https://tech4gamers.com/nvidia-cut-rtx-50-gpu-prices-poor-sales-oversupply/
According to Boardchannels, via Chiphell, the RTX 50 series GPUs have been stocked way above the ideal levels. This happened mainly because of low sales and continuous supply.
As per the insider, this has happened because of a sharp drop in the terminal sales, leading to declines in the retail and even wholesale prices. Due to the overstocking, the industry experts now expect the manufacturers to lower their prices throughout August.
https://www-chiphell-com.translate....html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB
Via https://tech4gamers.com/nvidia-cut-rtx-50-gpu-prices-poor-sales-oversupply/
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Retailers must run "sales" on old unsold stock. Are you new to capitalism? If so that is how it works.Will they be running "sales" on them when they've fallen off the bottom of charts
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Just a reminder, even at MSRP Nvidia cards are overpriced.
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This makes me think that the next series of GPUs will be in much shorter supply than the past two generations, citing not as much demand over the previous generation while prices still increase blaming it on *motions at everything going on in the world* all this.
But it could just be enticing fear purchasing as well, since the 50 series Super leaks are becoming more and more prevalent this past week and they need to unload all of their inventory before they can make room for the new hotness.
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The lie detector test says, that's a lie! They are fantastic at the msrp compared to anything else on the market as a whole product and software ecosystem.
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1. Intel and AMD's inability to keep up and 2. Nvidia's pricing - are different factors. Nvidia is charging twice as much now for cards than they were just a few years ago that are also segmented down at least 1 if not 2 tiers from what they have traditionally been in terms of core count and memory capacity. It's a rip off and the only reason people pay it is because they have no choice if they want an upgrade, thus point 1.
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This is a huge moment for us as gamers, data crunchers, and consumers. If people actually voted with their wallets instead of instantly purchasing the next new thing because new thing betterer, I guarantee that within a quarter GPU prices would drop SIGNIFICANTLY. But people won't do it. They don't do it with hardware, games, any bright new shiny that's coming on the horizon. We actually have the power to melt companies and make them scared JUST BY NOT BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS, and yet here we are, paying $800 for a MID RANGE graphics card.
My EVGA 2080 Super XC Gaming was $813.76 on June of 2020. After lockdowns were in full effect and no one could get a GPU. Think on that.
Not sure I completely agree with this.
The only GPU I've bought since 2018 was a Radeon rx6600 I got for $250CAD.
I will not buy another GPU until I get something significantly better than my rx580, with more RAM and a proper 16x PCIe bus, for less than $400 CAD. I've been looking for several years...
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The issue is that Nvidia is happy to sell 10 cards at $100 profit each instead of 100 cards at $10 profit each. And if they can't find 10 buyers, they'll start selling 5 cards at $200 profit each. And if they can't find buyers they'll sell 1 card for $1000 profit.
They'll limit stock to inflate prices. And AMD will REFUSE to compete, because AMD will try to match Nvidia's prices to slurp up a profit margin beyond anything they could imagine if they actually tried to capture market share.
AMD even selling 5% of what Nvidia sells with 50% margin makes them WAAAAY more money selling 10% of what Nvidia sells at 10% margin.
AMD doesn't want to win, they want to make as much money with as little effort as possible.
Probably in another year the 9060 xt 16gb could drop to that price
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I’m it exactly sure it’s a “problem,” but rather it’s just good capitalist brutalism on Nvidias part. And it’s also good tactics for AMD to sit out the market share battle if they keep their profit margin high with minimal effort.
Unfortunately for gamers unless there a big shift in the current market the days of 30%+ improvements per $ in generations are long gone. Unless there’s a gigantic uptick in game releases that demand the extra horsepower or a complete meltdown in the ouroboros-like AI segment there no incentive for companies to release consumer GPUs with much increased performance at modest prices.
That being said the stock has seemingly picked up a bit in recent weeks, which is definitely Nvidia and their AIBs learning the lessons of the 30series and selling high while the gettings good then clearing out inventory leading up the updated series.
https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/pre...ts-second-quarter-2025-financial-results.html
AMD margin were negative 2% the last quarter using standard GAAP accounting for an operating loss of 132 millions, 12% using AMD prefered accounting.mostly because they had to nearly write off 1 billions worth of mi300 GPU to china
They stopped in 2025 to give gaming margin so we do not know them, client and gaming combined:
The situation is not that AMD is making crazy margin and considering the giant cost in R&D, it is not obvious that you can have both margin without giant volume in that space. They could be near zero when it come to discrete GPUs
Imagine you spent 1 billions year on customer side GPU R&D/tapeout individual die/testing, if you sell only 3 millions of them a year, that $333 per unit before making/marketing/distributing/selling them selling more than 20 millions units a year (and using similar core in $40,000 datacenter gpu) is a big part of making it work at very high margin.
In the calculation of margin per unit, you need to augment the amortization of all the costs per unit as well, it is not just about raw gross margin per units.
Maybe, expecting they just run out of stock and prices go up more
I am thinking the 9060xt 16gb could be a long running card — because there might be nothing in RDNA 5 below $400 ...
Raw silicon, TSMC’s prices, and most components themselves have basically doubled in price over the past few years.
It’s not just Nvidia, but raw components that have nearly doubled. Japan and Taiwan never brought their prices down when the pandemic ended. Most of the reputable component manufacturers spent a lot on expanding their manufacturing capacity, so until those facilities meet their ROI they are keeping pretty close to their pandemic pricing.
AMD’s problem is anything they can try in a race to the bottom on pricing Nvidia can not only tank it but beat them.
Nvidia could straight up build a 6080 class card with 18gb VRAM, and sell it to price match AMD’s lowest GPU entry for that year and the financial impact wouldn’t even register as a blip.
They would find themselves in more Monopoly based anti competitive lawsuits then they could shake a stick at, but they could do it.
Pricing the cards as they do is a literal strategy against being sued as a monopoly.
Holding +80% of the market and pricing competitively forget aggressively is enough to get the law firms chomping. But saying we want 100% margins and we charge what we want, the others are more than welcome to join us or under cut us, completely destroys that argument. Nvidia leaves AMD and Intel more than enough room to operate, if they can’t or choose not to that’s on them.
But if push comes to shove in a race to the bottom on pricing the bigger bank account always wins. So AMD has 0 reason to try in any meaningful way to sell cheap for market share. And the attempt would honestly land them an investor lawsuit for not maximizing profits.
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Normally I'd say your absolutely right.
But with AI taking up so much of their portfolio at the moment, they wouldn't want to lower their ASP in front of their investors. Their feduciary duty requires them to allocate as much silicon to AI as they can, they can't lower prices unless they make more cards, which means less silicon going to AI.
this is also AMD's problem, but AMD has the privilege of having nothing to lose and everything to gain.
If AMD were to be aggressive, Nvidia can either lose market share or profit, but can't keep both. Whereas AMD is in the position where they can either gain market share or profit, but it would take abject retardation to lose both.
As much as AI is taking up Nvidia’s time, they still have more resources dedicated to gaming than AMD has dedicated to graphics as a whole. It might be relatively small given Nvidia’s current state but it’s still massive by any other measurement.
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I think the worst seems behind us. I see lower prices everywhere, at MSRP or slightly lower than MSRP.
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Problem is how high MSRP still is.
Correct. Especially for prices of affordable graphics cards
The 5060 super 12gb if launched would be $350
But there is not even a rumour of it. Which means it is more than 6 months out
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1066...-on-track-for-holiday-2025-release/index.html
https://redgamingtech.com/rtx-5070-ti-super-rtx-5070-super-specs-leak/
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Buy whatever you can... whatever is available...
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https://wccftech.com/amd-nvidia-could-kill-off-budget-gpus-as-memory-shortages-drive-costs-up/
HardwareRumor
AMD & NVIDIA Could Kill Off Budget GPUs as Memory Shortages Drive Costs Up, Leaving Entry-Level Gamers With Little Options
Muhammad ZuhairNov 18, 2025 at 11:50am ESTAMD/NVIDIA Could Halt Budget GPU Production As Memory Shortages Force Them to Reallocate Capacity
It appears that DRAM shortages are going to affect gamers on a much larger scale than just being confined to RAM supply, as according to a report by the Korean media outlet Hankyung, it is rumored that AMD and NVIDIA are looking to "discontinue" budget-oriented GPUs, since their BOM (Bill of Materials) has risen dramatically with higher GDDR module prices. The report doesn't specifically mention which SKUs could be affected by this movehttps://wccftech.com/amd-nvidia-could-kill-off-budget-gpus-as-memory-shortages-drive-costs-up/
Ya well same site reported this
According to multiple sources from Hong Kong and Taiwan, NVIDIA's upcoming mid-cycle refresh of the "Blackwell" SUPER GPU series is not canceled, although add-in card partners are still awaiting final specifications. HKEPC reports: "
Rumors suck
NVIDIA's Partners Reportedly Lack Final GeForce RTX 50-Series SUPER Specifications
by AleksandarK Nov 10th, 2025 08:23 Discuss (58 Comments)According to multiple sources from Hong Kong and Taiwan, NVIDIA's upcoming mid-cycle refresh of the "Blackwell" SUPER GPU series is not canceled, although add-in card partners are still awaiting final specifications. HKEPC reports: "
Rumors suck
I know that this article is a week old but still rumors are not facts.