Got my Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37" 1080p display today!

1:1 means when you have a video or image for every pixel that is in the source the display uses one pixel to display it. so if you have a display that does 1920 x 1200 and you have a 1920 by 1080 source, your display will insert black bars on the bottom and top to take up for the unused pixels instead of stretching the image to fit. That was the problem people had with the BenQ w241 and the dell 24. The westy will either stretch to fill or leave as is
 
The Westy does not have a dot to dot mode (1:1)

You must use your video card driver to output 1:1, the westy has no such feature. It doesn't overscan its native resolution like some other HDTVs do (samsung) so you can say it does native res 1:1, but non-native is always displayed as filled.
 
Does anyone know if the Cyberlink Advisor test is accurate? It says my 37w3 isnt hdcp compliant. I have a 7900gs which is not hdcp but would that effect the test from detecting my display properly?
 
I was reading about how it is important for a 1080p TV to have a good deinterlacing chip... does anyone know if this westy does?
 
My Westy died!!.....well sort of.....When powering it on....no matter what source, hdmi, dvi1, dvi2,.....the screen flashes white! Sometimes it will stay white for 2-3 seconds....If i disconnect everything from the monitor then power it up...it displays no signal but still flashes white on and off. Looks like its going back to Best Buy today....
 
altdelete47 said:
What's the best thing to do?
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i was trying to find out from you. I leave mine in sleep mode. But the only thing connected to it at the moment is my 360. So when I turn off the 360 the set turns off maybe 30 seconds later and then powers completely on when the 360 is powered on.
 
Ryom said:
The Westy does not have a dot to dot mode (1:1)

You must use your video card driver to output 1:1, the westy has no such feature. It doesn't overscan its native resolution like some other HDTVs do (samsung) so you can say it does native res 1:1, but non-native is always displayed as filled.
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There is a standard option and a fill option in the menu. When using standard with SDTV there are black bars on the sides...Here:
 
Mine scared the shit out of me yesterday because it started making this hissing noise and it was like moving back and forth, then my cat strolled out from the back of it which was a sigh of relief. Thought the damn thing was demonic for a sec. :eek:
 
RailGunRiz said:
Mine scared the shit out of me yesterday because it started making this hissing noise and it was like moving back and forth, then my cat strolled out from the back of it which was a sigh of relief. Thought the damn thing was demonic for a sec. :eek:
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ROFLMAO!
 
cameltoe1009 said:
There is a standard option and a fill option in the menu. When using standard with SDTV there are black bars on the sides...Here:

These are from the cable box to the monitor using composite cables....
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Those are filled images, dot to dot means that standard def (or another signal with lower res, gaming at 1024x768 for example) would be a SMALL box in the center of the screen with black all around because its using one display pixel per signal pixel. Your images are both filled, one with a fixed aspect ratio fill, and the other with a 100% fill.

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Ryom said:
The Westy does not have a dot to dot mode (1:1)

You must use your video card driver to output 1:1, the westy has no such feature. It doesn't overscan its native resolution like some other HDTVs do (samsung) so you can say it does native res 1:1, but non-native is always displayed as filled.
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That is what I thought. Which isn't really a problem because the only thing that I would really need that functionality for is on the pc, and from what I understand nvidia graphics cards have no problem handling it.
 
Ryom said:
Those are filled images, dot to dot means that standard def (or another signal with lower res, gaming at 1024x768 for example) would be a SMALL box in the center of the screen with black all around because its using one display pixel per signal pixel. Your images are both filled, one with a fixed aspect ratio fill, and the other with a 100% fill.
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That is exactly what I was wondering. I was planning on buying this monitor for my Home Theater setup, but I was worried how it would handle SD content, like the one fed directly from my Dish STB.

So, just to make sure. You're saying this monitor doesn't upscale any signal lower than 1080i, it just fills the space with black bars?
 
It surely does upscale lower signals. DVDs are upscaled... so well, in fact, that from a distance (7-10 feet) I cannot tell the difference between DVDs and HD DVDs... heh.
 
tygirwulf said:
Anyone see the March PC Gamer review on the Westy? They recommended it over the 30" Dell and a 30" HP (I think). My boyfriend keeps taking it to work so I haven't really had a good look at the magazine yet.

My bf and I spend more time together now thanks to the Westy. We can watch movies, play split screened games, or just watch each other play games. I think for a wedding present I will get my parents to buy us another one of these things. lol

My only real complaint is not any fault of the Westy's. A lot of sites don't work well with large text and few games have text sizes large enough to read easily when you are sitting 4.5 feet away. I was just trying out Eve Online and the largest text size is 12pt, which is ridiculously hard trying to read from the couch. Sheesh.
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Well tygirwulf made me go buy the magazine, and sure enough the westy 37w3 was reviewed side by side with the 30" dell and hp. The westy received a 90% score and the only one to receive the PCG editor's choice award.

Further, if you read the letter from the editor in cheif on one of the first pages, he writes a column about how kickass widescreen gaming has become in 2007. He goes on to relate his wonderful experience reviewing this westy this month, and how much he is going to enjoy playing on it until he has to return it to them. The article also shows a picture of the 37w3 on his desk. WooHoo for smart choices before the masses were told!
 
MakubexGB said:
That is exactly what I was wondering. I was planning on buying this monitor for my Home Theater setup, but I was worried how it would handle SD content, like the one fed directly from my Dish STB.

So, just to make sure. You're saying this monitor doesn't upscale any signal lower than 1080i, it just fills the space with black bars?
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Thats the exact opposite of what I'm saying :)

It stretches any lower res signals to fit the panel, and it doesn't usually do a very good job of it compared to what can be accomplished through an HTPC. To me, upscaling means actual averged interpolation where the algorithm used is similar to bilinear or bicubic... the way the westy scales is a lot closer to nearest neighbor. It does scale signals to fit, but not very well. I pass my signals through my PC via a tuner card and have the signals scaled via bicubic and it looks great when output to the westy. If you are attaching a set top box or external tuner that uses pass-thru mode directly to the westy, you cannot do 1:1 mapping and the signal will be filled either via Fixed Aspect Ratio Scaling or 100% panel scaling.
 
Ryom said:
Thats the exact opposite of what I'm saying :)

It stretches any lower res signals to fit the panel, and it doesn't usually do a very good job of it compared to what can be accomplished through an HTPC. To me, upscaling means actual averged interpolation where the algorithm used is similar to bilinear or bicubic... the way the westy scales is a lot closer to nearest neighbor. It does scale signals to fit, but not very well. I pass my signals through my PC via a tuner card and have the signals scaled via bicubic and it looks great when output to the westy. If you are attaching a set top box or external tuner that uses pass-thru mode directly to the westy, you cannot do 1:1 mapping and the signal will be filled either via Fixed Aspect Ratio Scaling or 100% panel scaling.
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I posted a question about this in the HTPC section, maybe you can help me?

Here's the link: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1160530

Thanks!
 
They look awesome. :cool:

Could you do me a favor? Could you please take some shots of the monitor playing some regular Standard Definition TV programming?
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Thanks again. :)
 
b2386 said:
There are many who would like to blame teachers for the shortcomings of our school system in America; others will insist it is the government’s fault that education in our country today is not as effective as it once was. A fundamental contributor for the failings of our schools, however, has little to do with the schools themselves or any incompetence in the government, but rather is a reflection of what has failed to be learned at home. Brian Robertson’s reveals in his book There’s No Place Like Work, that American parents spend, on average, only nineteen hours a week with their children, and that includes time spent together without purposeful communication, like watching television or being in the same room together by chance (26). Without the active role of parents or guardians to first instill behavioral norms and then supplement school lessons, the school system in America cannot hope to teach our children all they need to know in thirteen years because our schools were designed to teach children, not raise them.
In the late 1700’s, when family still played a vital and active role in a child’s education, children were reading at more advanced levels than their counterparts today, and “literacy at the time of the American Revolution, at least for non-slaves . . . was close to total” (Gatto 179). Likewise, in Central America, a part of the world where family life still holds a place of dominance, Michael Moore admits to being impressed by the knowledge of twelve year olds who can discuss advanced political issues like the state of the World Bank (156). Surely with our incredible modern advances and status as a world power, American schools today should be far superior to those of the 18th century as well as those of Central America. But with half of American marriages ending in divorce and hourly workweeks increasing, family together time has been resolved to almost nothing unless a television is involved. These lost interactions have removed numerous opportunities for children to learn from their parents and have thus decreased the effectiveness of the American school system. Fingers could be pointed any number of culprits for this disintegration of family in America, but the fact remains that family involvement simply does not hold the same level of importance in our lives that it once. As a result, teachers and the government are being asked to teach our children what we should be showing them at home.
This is not a novel idea; there is a current television commercial where little kids are putting on a play in which they ask parents to play an active role in their scholastic life. According to the advertisement, children with parents who are involved in their education are statistically more successful in school. But in a world where both parents work and resources like “Baby Einstein’s” can help mommy and daddy rationalize that they are helping with their child’s education by sitting him or her in front of a television, it is so easy for parents to convince themselves they are not absentee parents. If our children are really to get a head start for their schooling at home, it needs to begin with learning how to behave.
If one were to ask any grade-school teacher what wastes the most classroom time and interferes the most with how much material is covered in a day, he or she will most likely admit it is dealing with behavioral problems like uncooperativeness or unruliness. It is not that the students are not intelligent enough to grasp the information covered in the curriculum; they just have short attention spans and a tendency to get off task. Teachers lose the opportunity to assign group work because, while it is an excellent method to encourage children to problem solve on their own and learn to assimilate multiple ideas into one end result, the assignment would probably take twice the expected length with half the results because the kids just can not handle the freedom or the interaction. Teaching children the basics of acceptable conduct should not be on the teacher’s curriculum, it is the responsibility of each child’s parents. Unfortunately, it is a job few parents are willing to undertake anymore.
It is not necessary to go farther than the nearest Wal-Mart to witness the laxity with which many modern parents handle discipline. Rarely is there a time when three and four year olds are not running up and down the aisles yelling; unchecked and unaware that these habits will later rob them of precious time that would be better spent reading or experimenting with finger paint. It used to be more common for parents to punish their children for bad behavior like rowdiness, tagging on a “you’ll thank me for this later.” It turns out that those parents were right; by not allowing disruptive conduct, social institutions like school and government were afforded opportunities of uninterrupted efficiency. When parents fail to teach their children respect for authority and proper social etiquette, the burden of preventing unruly children from growing into uncooperative adults falls where it does not belong, namely on teachers. As a result, the services that were to be rendered, such as education, must be docked in order to compensate for a more base and urgent need of society: order. This idea is similar to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs in which human necessities such as food and sleep must be fulfilled before higher aspirations of love and self-esteem can be satisfied. Before children can reach for intellectual stimulation, they must first have a degree of mastery in basic behavioral norms.
If a child is brought up in a household that instills order and obedience from an early age, that child should theoretically be ready for more advanced learning. Unfortunately, that child will most likely be placed in a classroom with peers who have yet to learn the fundamental values of respect and self-control. Therefore, the education of all the children will be compromised because of the negligence of a few parents to teach proper social behavior to their child prior to sending him or her to school. Class time will be interrupted and lost when the teacher has to deal with the unruly students, who may escalate the crisis into being even more time consuming if their behavior incites the misconduct of their fellow classmates. Group work, demonstrations, and student involvement will therefore be limited to what the class, or rather the problematic students can handle while the teacher is still able to maintain order.
The government has attempted to level this injustice by establishing programs for “advanced” or “honors” students. While exams are typically given to determine who can be admitted into the curriculum, intelligence is not the only factor being considered for admission. Most of the programs look at the children’s records for behavioral problems, and, once accepted, students may be suspended from the program for inappropriate conduct. These accelerated courses, which are offered as early as the first grade, effectively separate the children who have the desire and aptitude for advanced learning from those who lack motivation or disturb the scholastic environment so that those gifted students can pursue more in depth and comprehensive educations. Unfortunately, advanced courses often have state-imposed limits on their class size and so countless students are still being robbed of potential educational opportunities by the misconduct of their classmates.
Teaching a child how to behave is vital to create opportunities for learning, but it is also essential for a child’s comprehension and retention that parents supplement class material at home. The most obvious application is repetition; the more often something is heard or done, the more likely that information will be stored in long-term memory. When parents do something as simple as asking their child what he or she learned in school, that knowledge stands a better chance of being remembered amidst all the other stimuli that bombard children every day (i.e. television, advertisements, video games, etc.). Parents can also strengthen a child’s understanding of material by offering real-life applications. As interesting and memorable as learning percentages is, taking a child shopping and asking him/her to figure out the sale prices of discounted items is a much more effective teaching method. Through those kinds of lessons, learning comes alive; not only is the actual information being reinforced, but the child will also see first hand why what he or she learns at school is important.
In addition to giving opportunities for the repetition and application of school lessons, parents can also inspire excitement for learning itself. Child psychologists and wary parents condemn pop culture stars like Britney Spears and the Olson twins for the message they send to their young fans about how to dress and what is considered acceptable behavior because children are impressionable and will do as they see their role models do. Yet even more than celebrity icons, children, especially during their elementary school years, look up to and try to mimic their parents. MTV can only show small segments of the lives of its stars, but children see their parents’ actions and attitudes on a consistent, prolonged basis. If parents show an enthusiasm for learning and if they encourage their children to read and learn even when there is no assignment, those children will be more inclined to enjoy and value education which, if having a love for learning is not reward enough, bodes well for the likelihood of their success.
One would be hard pressed to find parents who do not want their child to do get the most out of the education their tax dollars support, but for every minute spent escorting a child to the principal’s office, calming down a group of rambunctious students, or explaining why learning is important, time that adds to the fullness of education is being lost. Teachers and politicians make easy scapegoats, but the truth is that just as a cyclist on a broken bike cannot be called a bad rider until he is seen riding on a working bike, teachers and politicians cannot be blamed for the inefficiency of the American school system until they are provided with students who come ready to take advantage of the scholastic education that schools were meant to provide. It all starts with parental involvement; it all starts at home.
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sorry

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WTF?
 
MakubexGB said:
They look awesome. :cool:

Could you do me a favor? Could you please take some shots of the monitor playing some regular Standard Definition TV programming?
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Thanks again. :)
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Look I know that you really need to know how this monitor looks with SD, but please look through the thread. There are a ton of shots using SD posted in this very thread and also at AVS. If you really want this Monitor to use with SD be my guest but it will suck, some suck less than others but they all suck!
 
here.....and, umm....my wife was watching American Idol, umm not me...Yeah, umm thats it yeah...

It really doesnt look that bad......when sitting far from the tv
 
Damn man, that looks nice for SD programming! I was expecting a worse picture than that, based on some comments I've read.

So cameltoe, do you have the monitor connected to an HTPC, to an A/V Receiver or directly to a Set-Top Box?

You've been of great help man, thanks a lot for taking the time to take those pics for me. You rock! :D
 
It is indeed an awesome SD picture for an HD LCD.
HBO and Max through digital cable look almost DVD quality. Almost.

As for that weird post about American schools whatever... might it be that the author was copying-and-pasting a paper or something and it got posted accidentally?
 
I just picked up the new PC Gamer and boy does that review make me feel good. Although I think the cat is out of the bag now but oh well I have mines! I know it made the wife feel better about such a large purchase but made her feel that I got a deal on it. WHICH I DID!
 
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