GeForce RTX 3070 Reviews

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Seems the 3070 is in fact more honest with it's evaluation than the 3080 was. That said... the allure is really $500 for $1200 worth of "value" but the 2080ti was grossly overpriced at $1200 so how much value are you really getting. 970 launch price was I think $350, 1070 was $380(?), 2070 was $599
 

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Appreciate all the links Kyle.

*Edit now I see it.

So...Faster than a 2080ti? Eh, that's debatable according to the FPS review. Nvidia lies AGAIN.

At 1440p, it still struggles at Ray Tracing. Yikes.
 
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See now I'm confused......for $200 more you get quite a bit more performance with the 3080 don't you? They are announcing a 3080 Ti......and the 3090, by all accounts, is a Titan and a dog at gaming......so is this a temporary thing that will go the way of the dodo within six months to make way for the 3080 Ti at $1000 or $1200?

Doesn't really matter, OOS on all this crap until like March of 2021 is my best guess but hey.....we can always have fun crunching the numbers :p
 

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3070 should be fine to move to 1440@144 from 1080@60, right?
Yeah, the gist seems to be that the 3070 is your pick if you don't expect to play above 1440p any time soon — the performance gap isn't as pronounced below 4K.
 

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Yeah, the gist seems to be that the 3070 is your pick if you don't expect to play above 1440p any time soon — the performance gap isn't as pronounced below 4K.
Yea, I don't have any intentions of moving to 4k any time soon. Hell, I'm still rocking a 1060. XD
 

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Glad to see Optimum Tech in that lineup, FrgMstr. Recently discovered him and boy, I find his video's the easiest to watch and digest.
 

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Jensen specifically said that the 3070 would be faster than the 2080ti.

It definitely seems like Nvidia decided to make a card that as closely matches the performance of the previous flagship as possible.

Edit: It seems to be held back by the memory bandwidth compared to the 2080Ti. I'd be interested how a presumed 3070Ti with GDDR6x performs.
 

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Seems the 3070 is in fact more honest with it's evaluation than the 3080 was. That said... the allure is really $500 for $1200 worth of "value" but the 2080ti was grossly overpriced at $1200 so how much value are you really getting. 970 launch price was I think $350, 1070 was $380(?), 2070 was $599

Screw that. It should be compared to previous $500 cards.
 

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It wins some and loses some depending on the resolution. They said it would be about on par, so I’m not really sure how that’s lying.

Agreed.

Appreciate all the links Kyle.

*Edit now I see it.

So...Faster than a 2080ti? Eh, that's debatable according to the FPS review. Nvidia lies AGAIN.

At 1440p, it still struggles at Ray Tracing. Yikes.

It's really close. The difference was effectively within a margin of error. I wouldn't call that lying as its true in some cases. It's not like the lies Intel tells when it says that an architecture is some 11% faster than the previous one and the real difference is negated by the fact that the newer architecture lost clock speed and essentially performs the same as the previous generation.
 

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Seems the 3070 is in fact more honest with it's evaluation than the 3080 was. That said... the allure is really $500 for $1200 worth of "value" but the 2080ti was grossly overpriced at $1200 so how much value are you really getting. 970 launch price was I think $350, 1070 was $380(?), 2070 was $599

$500 for the performance of what should have been an $800 card is still a pretty solid gain though.
 

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Have to agree with the consensus, given what is currently available at the current prices the 3070 is a solid pick for 1440p and lower resolutions, need to see what AMD brings to the table before I can come to an actual conclusion though also depends on when AMD is actually setting their table. I mean tomorrow (Oct 28) is just an announcement event not an actual launch event so for all I know they are going to tell us a bunch of wonderful details and tell us availability is Q1 of 2021, and if such a thing were to occur then the value on the 3070 becomes even more muddled. This is just such a strange time for Video Cards in general because NVidia is only really competing with itself on something you can't buy because there is no stock but there are possible competitors who may or may not be a better value but no known ETA.
 

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Seems the 3070 is in fact more honest with it's evaluation than the 3080 was. That said... the allure is really $500 for $1200 worth of "value" but the 2080ti was grossly overpriced at $1200 so how much value are you really getting. 970 launch price was I think $350, 1070 was $380(?), 2070 was $599
To put in perspective using google answer for the GPU name + launch price, adjusted for inflation

GTX 970: $330 USD or $362.00 in 2020 dollar
GTX 1070: $379 USD or $411 in 2020 dollar
GTX 2070: $599 USD or $620.88 in 2020 dollar

There is a return to normalcy after 2xxx price bump that make the price look better than they were.

Now it also depend how well the 70 is doing versus the previous generation on that aspect it seem similar to the 2070 vs 1080Ti, sometime a bit faster, sometime slower, what is interesting is that the 2070 at $600 was only $100 cheaper than the 1080ti at launch and I imagine more expensive than what the 1080TI should have been use 2 year's later, for no gain in FPS/price at all.

Nvidia was kind of able of using a generation without much market competition, to shift our price perception, if not for console release to keep some perceptive it would perfectly work I imagine.

One way to look at it from the usual buyer perceptive the 1060/2060/1070/2070 buyers, that a whole lot of more card for less money than the current 2070 price we still see around.

I suspect that we buy a lot of things we do not use while gaming (at least current games) when we buy a rtx 2000/3000 from NVidia, that open the door for AMD to take the lead in fps/$
 

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$500 for the performance of what should have been an $800 card is still a pretty solid gain though.
Sure I guess... I assumed the performance will be there as it historically has with prior generations of Nvidia cards (some more than others), I just don't find the value at where it should be. The 20 series was just so overpriced that this card seems like a deal for what it is. Although I think the price point should be a bit cheaper and more in line to price increases from 970/1070 price points of sub $400. And look I'm not going to pretend that I know the cost of what it takes to make these, maybe there's extra dohickies that do make it that much more expensive and maybe that was why the 20 series was so flipping expensive, but I think comparing prices to the 20 series with reference to "value" is a bit sketchy.
 

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$500 for the performance of what should have been an $800 card is still a pretty solid gain though.

Why should it have been priced higher than the 1080ti was in 2017 ($700 or about $750 now in 2020 money) ?

$800 would have been worst than the 2xxx series.

The 1070 launch price here is a good start ($411 in today dollars) I think, add how much you value the RTX/DLSS/Voice/giant jump in CADs type of affair and the fact that like for CPUs improvement get harder and harder I would imagine and $500 seem about right on still the quite good for NVidia point of view pricing, considering that a diskless playstation 5 is $400 and a full XBox Series X is $500.

I suspect that $400 would have been a deal on the consumer side, $450 on the fair side and $500 on the real good margin side.
 
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Sure I guess... I assumed the performance will be there as it historically has with prior generations of Nvidia cards (some more than others), I just don't find the value at where it should be. The 20 series was just so overpriced that this card seems like a deal for what it is. Although I think the price point should be a bit cheaper and more in line to price increases from 970/1070 price points of sub $400. And look I'm not going to pretend that I know the cost of what it takes to make these, maybe there's extra dohickies that do make it that much more expensive and maybe that was why the 20 series was so flipping expensive, but I think comparing prices to the 20 series with reference to "value" is a bit sketchy.

It's not amazing but it's very good. Compared to the 1070 it's essentially two generations in a row of 45% gains each. So yes Turing sucked but Ampere brought perf/$ back in line.
 

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Why should it have been priced higher than the 1080ti was in 2017 ($700 or about $750 now in 2020 money) ?

$800 would have been worst than the 2xxx series.

The 1070 luanch price here is a good start ($411 in today dollars) I think, add how much you value the RTX/DLSS/Voice/giant jump in CADs type of affair and the fact that like for CPUs improvement get harder and harder I would imagine and $500 seem about right on still the quite good for NVidia point of view pricing, considering that a diskless playstation 5 is $400 and a full XBox Series X is $500.

I suspect that $400 would have been a deal on the consumer side, $450 on the fair side and $500 on the real good margin side.

How did you get $411 in today's dollars? The 1070 was $450 at launch. Also using inflation numbers for graphics cards is pointless. Inflation is irrelevant for luxury goods.
 

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How did you get $411 in today's dollars? The 1070 was $450 at launch. Also using inflation numbers for graphics cards is pointless. Inflation is irrelevant for luxury goods.
I google 1070 launch price and google gave me that:
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GeForce GTX 1070June 10, 2016$379
GeForce GTX 1070 TiNovember 2, 2017$449
GeForce GTX 1080May 27, 2016$599


Maybe it changed and used announced price: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-launch/, that never happened ?

If you mean that Inflation is irrelevant to predict the cost of luxury good or luxury good price jump is different than grocery and other price jump, I would not be surprised.

It is just not good to use launch price in face value dollars from the past to judge current one, that why I am talking about as a starting point (what else could we use to judge current value than price of the most comparable product of the past and competition, the only competition that we known a little bit being the console offering)
 

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How did you get $411 in today's dollars? The 1070 was $450 at launch. Also using inflation numbers for graphics cards is pointless. Inflation is irrelevant for luxury goods.
Not just inflation but also processing costs, fab costs fluctuate pretty heavily from year to year based on the nodes used and failure rates and blah blah blah then you also have to take into account board complexity as well, look at the huge differences in power delivery alone over the last couple of years, those costs add up.
 

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Seems the 3070 is in fact more honest with it's evaluation than the 3080 was. That said... the allure is really $500 for $1200 worth of "value" but the 2080ti was grossly overpriced at $1200 so how much value are you really getting. 970 launch price was I think $350, 1070 was $380(?), 2070 was $599
It's shit value for a 70 card. The only thing that makes it look good is how the 2000 series was way overpriced. Performance increase and the price increase makes it one of the worst upper midrange cards Nvidia released in a long time.
 

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Maybe it changed and used announced price: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-launch/, that never happened ?

The 1070 FE was $449 at launch.

If you mean that Inflation is irrelevant to predict the cost of luxury good or luxury good price jump is different than grocery and other price jump, I would not be surprised.

It is just not good to use launch price in face value dollars from the past to judge current one, that why I am talking about as a starting point (what else could we use to judge current value than price of the most comparable product of the past and competition, the only competition that we known a little bit being the console offering)

The 3070 and 1070 are two completely different products. You can't use inflation to evaluate the expected price of the 3070 just because it ends in "70". The price for equivalent 1070 features and performance has dropped. As usual with technology there is rapid deflation not inflation of prices over time.
 

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How did you get $411 in today's dollars? The 1070 was $450 at launch. Also using inflation numbers for graphics cards is pointless. Inflation is irrelevant for luxury goods.
Bought two Gigabyte 1070 G1s, one was around $410 and the other was around $365, are you talking about the FE inflated price over the MSRP?
 

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If the price is good or not for the 3070 may depend more on what AMD can offer. One more day.
 

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It's shit value for a 70 card. The only thing that makes it look good is how the 2000 series was way overpriced. Performance increase and the price increase makes it one of the worst upper midrange cards Nvidia released in a long time.

According to gpu check the last 4 jump were:

670->770->970->1070->2070
20%->35%-> 50%-> 35%


While this jump seem to be (https://www.techspot.com/review/2124-geforce-rtx-3070/) vs the 2070:

+54% at 1080p
+58% at 1440p
+63% at 4K

Seem comparable/higher than the 1070 over the 970 jump in raw performance, in raw dollar the 1070 was 15% over the 970 launch price, the new 3070 is cheaper than the 2070.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...2070 is faster,targeting 60 frames per second.
the 2070 is about 35% above the 1070

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...4770k-3-50ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz/
1070 was 50% above the 970

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...4770k-3-50ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k-3-50ghz/
970 is 32% above the 770 in 1080p, 35% at 1440p

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...5-2300-2-80ghz-vs-intel-core-i5-2300-2-80ghz/
770 was 20% above 670
 

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The 3070 and 1070 are two completely different products. You can't use inflation to evaluate the expected price of the 3070 just because it ends in "70". The price for equivalent 1070 features and performance has dropped. As usual with technology there is rapid deflation not inflation of prices over time.

What would you use for the expected price ? (I did talk about the added feature in my price evaluation to say depending how much you value them it make a price higher than the 1070 still a good one)
 
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One thing that is compelling about this card and the 3080 is the size. As someone that will water cool no matter what I am curious to see the blocks that come out for these FE's. The compact size of the 3070 and the 3080(once the cooler is removed) could make for some interesting blocks.
 

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According to gpu check the last 4 jump were:

670->770->970->1070->2070
20%->35%-> 50%-> 35%


While this jump seem to be (https://www.techspot.com/review/2124-geforce-rtx-3070/) vs the 2070:

+54% at 1080p
+58% at 1440p
+63% at 4K

Seem comparable/higher than the 1070 over the 970 jump in raw performance, in raw dollar the 1070 was 15% over the 970 launch price, the new 3070 is cheaper than the 2070.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz/#:~:text=The higher the better for higher resolution textures and future demanding games.&text=The RTX 2070 is faster,targeting 60 frames per second.
the 2070 is about 35% above the 1070

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...4770k-3-50ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz/
1070 was 50% above the 970

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...4770k-3-50ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k-3-50ghz/
970 is 32% above the 770 in 1080p, 35% at 1440p

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...5-2300-2-80ghz-vs-intel-core-i5-2300-2-80ghz/
770 was 20% above 670
Is not the 3070 at $499 replacing the 2070 Super at $499? I don't see going to the original RTX 2070 at $599 MSRP as even applicable for comparison. Same as when Nvidia used the 2080 vice the 2080 Super. How much performance does the 3070 have over the 2070 Super? About 30%.
 

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What would you use for the expected price ? (I did talk about the added feature in my price evaluation to say depending how much you value them it make a price higher than the 1070 still a good one)

I look at it the other way around. Model numbers are arbitrary. It’s not about the price of the x70 it’s about how much more am I getting for the same money regardless of the label on the box.
 
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