GeForce RTX 3070 Reviews

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As I anticipated, Ampere doesn't have enough compression improvements to rock 2080 Ti performance in the same memory bandwidth as an RTX 2080. It would also probably help if they upgraded it to 16GB ram.

They will have to wait for the the 2GB GDDR6x chips to surface before they can affordably double the memory of the 3080 (NVIDIA won't ship something as lopsided as a 16GB 3070, in a 10GB-only 3080 world). They will probably upgrade that new 3070 16GB ram model to 16 Gbps memory from the 2080 Super (and of course, give it Super branding).
 

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I look at it the other way around. Model numbers are arbitrary. It’s not about the price of the x70 it’s about how much more am I getting for the same money regardless of the label on the box.
Until AMD or Intel put something out there isn’t much of a frame of reference on what is or isn’t a good value right now. It’s nearest competitor of a either A) 4 years old or B) wasn’t a good value when it came out 2 years ago but lacked a viable competitor.
 

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As I anticipated, Ampere doesn't have enough compression improvements to rock 2080 Ti performance in the same memory bandwidth as an RTX 2080. It would also probably help if they upgraded it to 16GB ram.

They will have to wait for the the 2GB GDDR6x chips to surface before they can affordably double the memory of the 3080 (NVIDIA won't ship something as lopsided as a 16GB 3080, in a 10GB-only 3080 world). They will probably upgrade that 3070 16GB ram model to 16 Gbps (aka, Super)
I still think at $499 it is a great value for someone upgrading from 2060/1070/980Ti or lower, and be happy with it for years.
 

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I still think at $499 it is a great value for someone upgrading from 2060/1070/980Ti or lower, and be happy with it for years.


Well yes but They left a shit-ton of performance on the table. This is way more bandwidth-limited than the original 2080 was on launch.

The 2080 actually had to wait for games to come along to hit it's bandwidth limits (like Doom Eternal, on max), whereas the 3070 is castrated at 4k on launch day.

If you are gaming at 4k, you're getting a highly-variable-preforming RTX 2080 Ti replacement. You would have t be a fool to be happy with that.

Future games will be even worse than these launch games. Great base vcard that needs a Super revision at $550.
 
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I look at it the other way around. Model numbers are arbitrary. It’s not about the price of the x70 it’s about how much more am I getting for the same money regardless of the label on the box.

Like how there was no 2050 card but all of a sudden we have GTX 1660 and 1650 models (ti and super variants too). Also on release the 1070 AIB models were mostly $400-450 (FE was $450 iirc).
 

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Yeah not even 2080 Level, hopefully AMD will have something more enticing in this price/performance range.
 

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I look at it the other way around. Model numbers are arbitrary. It’s not about the price of the x70 it’s about how much more am I getting for the same money regardless of the label on the box.
Isn't the new x70 comparable to the previous 70 in how much you were getting versus the previous generation ? In that regard what would be your estimated expected price ?

Is not the 3070 at $499 replacing the 2070 Super at $499?
Maybe way more accurate yes (I would need to update the 1070ti to 2070 and some other could be more adequate as well I imagine, the line is getting really complicated) and about 30%/40% for the before the launch performance.

2070 super to 3070
1440p: +33%
4K: +38%

Would it not be for incredible Pascal, it would look as good as jump (before drivers/engine optimisation if they end up relevant) as they got since the 6xx it look like
 

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According to gpu check the last 4 jump were:

670->770->970->1070->2070
20%->35%-> 50%-> 35%


While this jump seem to be (https://www.techspot.com/review/2124-geforce-rtx-3070/) vs the 2070:

+54% at 1080p
+58% at 1440p
+63% at 4K

Seem comparable/higher than the 1070 over the 970 jump in raw performance, in raw dollar the 1070 was 15% over the 970 launch price, the new 3070 is cheaper than the 2070.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz/#:~:text=The higher the better for higher resolution textures and future demanding games.&text=The RTX 2070 is faster,targeting 60 frames per second.
the 2070 is about 35% above the 1070

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...4770k-3-50ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz/
1070 was 50% above the 970

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...4770k-3-50ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k-3-50ghz/
970 is 32% above the 770 in 1080p, 35% at 1440p

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...5-2300-2-80ghz-vs-intel-core-i5-2300-2-80ghz/
770 was 20% above 670

770 -> 970 +34% perf / -17% price (MSRP $330)
970 -> 1070 +56% / +36% (MSRP $450)
1070ti -> 2070 +20% / +11% (MSRP $500)
2070S -> 3070 +32% / +0% (MSRP $500)

It's not the worst, but midrange price creeping up to $500 over time and a 32% increase over the predecessor hardly makes it a value wonder many proclaim it as.

Performance data taken from Techpowerup summaries.
 

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So as someone running 1080P at 165hz going for a new build with a Ryzen 5600x does this seem like a decent combo with the 3070? Unless of course the 6000 series Radeon's present something better in the under $500 bracket.
 

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Like how there was no 2050 card but all of a sudden we have GTX 1660 and 1650 models (ti and super variants too). Also on release the 1070 AIB models were mostly $400-450 (FE was $450 iirc).

Probably because RTX would have became unusuable on a under 2060 performance card (it was already quite limited there), making it a really bad choice for the money versus using a Pascal one, at least until DSSL got a level to make it made sense.

Yeah not even 2080 Level, hopefully AMD will have something more enticing in this price/performance range.
What is not even 2080 level, the 3070 here is in average:
https://www.techspot.com/review/2124-geforce-rtx-3070/

At 1440p: 23% faster
At 4K: 27% faster
 

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So as someone running 1080P at 165mhz going for a new build with a Ryzen 5600x does this seem like a decent combo with the 3070? Unless of course the 6000 series Radeon's present something better in the under $500 bracket.


yeah, it will be fine at 1080p, even for newer games. 1440p will also be serv icable, if that is your upgrade path.
 

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Probably because RTX would have became unusuable on a under 2060 performance card (it was already quite limited there), making it a really bad choice for the money versus using a Pascal one, at least until DSSL got a level to make it made sense.


What is not even 2080 level, the 3070 here is in average:
https://www.techspot.com/review/2124-geforce-rtx-3070/

At 1440p: 23% faster
At 4K: 27% faster
2080(Ti)
My bad.
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770 -> 970 +34% perf / -17% price (MSRP $330)
970 -> 1070 +56% / +36% (MSRP $450)
1070ti -> 2070 +20% / +11% (MSRP $500)
2070S -> 3070 +32% / +0% (MSRP $500)

It's not the worst, but midrange price creeping up to $500 over time and a 32% increase over the predecessor hardly makes it a value wonder many proclaim it as.

That much clearer presentation (and probably more accurate than my google search for the price) and better equivalent of the actual model.

If we use has a base 1.0 the price and performance of the 770, in raw dollar we have:

Column1RatioPerfprice
770​
1.00​
1.00​
1.00​
970​
1.61​
1.34​
0.83​
1070​
1.85​
2.09​
1.13​
2070​
2.00​
2.51​
1.25​
3070​
2.64​
3.31​
1.25​

For a generation jump of perf/price:
770 -> 970: 61%
970 -> 1070: 15%
1070 -> 2070 : 8%
2070 - > 3070: 32%

I feel like I could have some mistake here (either logic or execution)

If we adjust for inflation we have probably something not to dissimilar considering inflation is quite stable in modern days.
 

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I look at it the other way around. Model numbers are arbitrary. It’s not about the price of the x70 it’s about how much more am I getting for the same money regardless of the label on the box.
I get what you're saying, and you compare your purchase to the "last $500 card you bought" and sure it's better, but it's next generation/new technology it should be defacto better. That said, the model number is by the company for a reason as represents tiers for the card and the x70 series represents a "midrange" tier of card, not a high end/enthusiast card and probably not a low end card (considering we haven't seen the 3060 mentioned). And you're totally good with choose your metric of "what's good/value/etc"

Me though I'm going to compare against the previous generation's tier of card knowing full well it will be better than at least 1 tier higher (usually) and seeing if the price is good for what it has been historically at that tier (and no I'm not going to compare against previous FE prices because they had the "FE tax") . And the reason why I do it this way is because the level of expectation (i.e. games released) rises with time, so I want the "intermediate experience" and at a similar price points to prior generations noting full well last gen was overpriced. And the 3070 does not seem like a good value for an intermediate tier card. I mean comparing the 2070 and 1080 which both had similar launch prices I believe, the 1080 was the "high tier" (forget if they had a TI at launch or not) and 2070 is the intermediate card, sure the 2070 was a bit better (horribly value for the upgrade though because why?) but compared to the 1070 price not good value for an intermediate tier card.



Whatever though it's probably all irrelevant, as supply issues probably will punch people in the nuts again.
 

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That much clearer presentation (and probably more accurate than my google search for the price) and better equivalent of the actual model.

If we use has a base 1.0 the price and performance of the 770, in raw dollar we have:

Column1RatioPerfprice
770​
1.00​
1.00​
1.00​
970​
1.61​
1.34​
0.83​
1070​
1.85​
2.09​
1.13​
2070​
2.00​
2.51​
1.25​
3070​
2.64​
3.31​
1.25​

For a generation jump of perf/price:
770 -> 970: 61%
970 -> 1070: 15%
1070 -> 2070 : 8%
2070 - > 3070: 32%

I feel like I could have some mistake here (either logic or execution)

If we adjust for inflation we have probably something not to dissimilar considering inflation is quite stable in modern days.
Math above seems correct but doesn't tell the whole story. $450 for +56% seems much better to me than $500 for +32%. Nvidia knows this and thats why they targeted Pascal users directly.

Inflation doesn't add much for this time frame.
 
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Overall not too bad, but still not happy about the price. Had it been $50-80 cheaper or had a bit more VRAM I'd think it was a good value. It looks okay as is. Depends on if we can actually find them at $500, which I am doubting.
 

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It seems like a decent 1440p card but I think $500 for xx70 card is a bit too high and it looks like this will be like the other 3000 series with $500 only being the price for those lucky enough to win the FE lottery and the real price being more like $600-650 for anything decent.

I wouldn't buy this card for 4k though and might even grab a 2080ti over it for 4k if I was on a tight budget and AMD doesn't end up offering something better at that price range. Currently I'm at 1440p but I have considered bumping up to 4k and this would(subjectively) lock me out of that choice.
 

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Isn't the new x70 comparable to the previous 70...

That's just a label on a box. There's no guarantee that it's comparable to anything. Price, features, value can all change from one generation to the next.

That said, the model number is by the company for a reason as represents tiers for the card and the x70 series represents a "midrange" tier of card, not a high end/enthusiast card and probably not a low end card (considering we haven't seen the 3060 mentioned).

Sure but that only lasts as long as the current naming scheme. And even then it's not always reliable.
 
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Hopefully if there is enough stock of the 3070 it will actually bring mid range cards down in price. Not sure about USD but they want $700CAD plus for a 2070super that doesn't come close to 3070 performance. Can't see how the 3070 isn't a great buy compared to what else is currently available and should drive card prices down to a sane level if there's actually stock. 2080 Supers are $950CAD+ and still don't meet a 3070 which if available should be around $650CAD.

I see people calling it a disappointment, but compared to what else I can buy right now I don't see how it isn't a really good thing. Obviously curious how the radeon offerings compare but based on what's out there now and for how much....
 

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Neat....I hope someone finds a way to make an ITX version. 220 watts TBP seems to be about the historical limit for 2 slot / 1 Fan / 180mm (ish) cards.
 
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Given it's a 1080/1440 card and not 4k does it really need more?
Fuck what it “needs.” That’s the attitude intel took with their 4 core 8 thread CPUs to justify higher prices. Keep adding more Vram and the devs will find a way to use it, even at 1080p.
 

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Fuck what it “needs.” That’s the attitude intel took with their 4 core 8 thread CPUs to justify higher prices. Keep adding more Vram and the devs will find a way to use it, even at 1080p.

Well that’s obviously not true. Just look at the shit texture resolution we get on PC. Developers target lowest common denominator memory capacity (i.e. consoles). The good thing is that the new consoles are now packing decent memory.
 
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Fuck what it “needs.” That’s the attitude intel took with their 4 core 8 thread CPUs to justify higher prices. Keep adding more Vram and the devs will find a way to use it, even at 1080p.

Given you can't add more Vram without increasing the cost and for everyone using the 3070 at 1080/1440 (it's intended market) would get no performance increase then I'm glad Nvidia didn't just say Fuck what it needs as well.
 

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2080 Ti perf for $500. Looks like a win to me.

Indeed, and all for roughly 250w card it is a win for SFX PC users like me. As long as you keep the VRAM limitation in mind that is. But as long as you don't go nuts with texture quality @ 4K and you will be fine. But AMD Big Navi reveal is about to begin, lets see what the Red team has to offer at similar wattage.
 
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I appreciated Linus' scathing words about Nvidia (timestamped)
This is conspiracy nonsense. nVidia is an innocent doe, they just keep getting caught off guard by demand and running out of product.

Over and over and over and over.

And over and over.

Engineering scarcity to create controversy and get free press. Such nonsense.

That's almost as outlandish as delaying partner release dates to get more coverage for free.

Madness!

I suppose next you people will tell me Elvis and JFK are dead.
 

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This is conspiracy nonsense. nVidia is an innocent doe, they just keep getting caught off guard by demand and running out of product.

Over and over and over and over.

And over and over.

Engineering scarcity to create controversy and get free press. Such nonsense.

That's almost as outlandish as delaying partner release dates to get more coverage for free.

Madness!

I suppose next you people will tell me Elvis and JFK are dead.
They aren't dead they were at my poker game last week, they got into an argument over who Marlyn liked better till she slapped them both and she told them that Gandhi was the best lover she ever had.
 

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Can't conclude what kind of deal this is until we have AMD's options for comparison. There are no bad products, only bad prices.

Lots of "good" hype surrounding AMD's upcoming release but of course the proof is in the pudding. If they a) good performers, b) priced well, and/or c) both - then we the consumers will win this holiday season and be spoiled for choice.

EDIT: Now more than ever I miss [H] reviews. Sighhhhh
 

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That's almost as outlandish as delaying partner release dates to get more coverage for free.
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I am kind of bummed we won't see AIB reviews until presumably tomorrow? Those AIB cards mostly look huge compared to the FE though.

edit for card dimensions:
fe: 9.5" x 4.4"
ROG strix: 12.53" x 5.51"
ftw3 ultra: 11.81" x 5.38"
xc3: 11.23" x 4.38"
 

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I suppose next you people will tell me Elvis and JFK are dead.

Nah, they're on Rigel VII hanging out at the Transform and Lighting Lounge. Though sometimes they're seen in the Phys-X Palace of Plenty gambling the night away or so I've heard.
 

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Seems the 3070 is in fact more honest with it's evaluation than the 3080 was. That said... the allure is really $500 for $1200 worth of "value" but the 2080ti was grossly overpriced at $1200 so how much value are you really getting. 970 launch price was I think $350, 1070 was $380(?), 2070 was $599
nvidia raised the prices on the 2000 series (total ripoff) so they could do this on their next generation cards and come out "clean"
 

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nvidia raised the prices on the 2000 series (total ripoff) so they could do this on their next generation cards and come out "clean"
More likely they did it to make their vast quantities of extra 1000 series cards more attractive after they got saddled with them when the mining bubble burst.
 

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More likely they did it to make their vast quantities of extra 1000 series cards more attractive after they got saddled with them when the mining bubble burst.
also that, they even got accused of fraud bcuz they lied to their investors with the mining bubble, they needed some extra cash
 
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